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Fester Addams	Posted - 2005.06.15 08:54:00 - [31] Originally by: Lt Hole I would be curious to see how many players have been the target of non-consensual PvP and how it has affected their opinion of Eve. Its an interesting topic however sadly its probably going to be flamed untill it is closed. Now to my answers: Firstly, yes I have been the victim of non consensual PvP or PK as its real name is, not all that much as Im carefull but its impossible to avoid all such happenings. In the following answers I will only refer to the times I was the victim in empire space as there is no PK in 0.0 space. Q: Did it sour you on the game? A: The most expensive time did sour me for a day or so but then I make a habit of not playing much when Im angry anyways. Q: Did you accept it and move on? A: No I quit and never touched anything having anything to do with EvE ever again! But seriously, its only a game, when I listened to EvE-radio I usually payed to have a song play dedicated to the PKers just to anoy them. Q: Did you like the game even more? Etc... A: No, PvP is a must in a game such as EvE and PK has its role however PK must be kept on a tight leash as there are alot of people playing that dont know when to stop. What the game needs to open upp for more PVP and reasonable PK is for 0.0 to be opened upp, sadly for the alliances this meens destroying their dominance of 0.0. In my humble opinion 1.0-0.9 should be safe, 0.8-0.5 should be pure PvE, 0.4-0.3 should allow PK but faction ships should clear out gate campers and hunt any criminals, 0.2-0.0(empire) should work like 0.4-0.3 but the time it would take for factions to respond should be considerably longer and naturally true 0.0 should be lawless but, please please please... get rid of the chokepoints so that people are able to go out there without running a gauntlet.
Petite Pierre	Posted - 2005.06.15 09:44:00 - [32] Pointless topic. And I shall explain why. The original poster should have realized that he will only get positive answers... I mean, those that are likely to answer "Yes, I've been griefed and now I hate eve, I dont want to play it ever again !!", are no longer playing, Thank God. -------------------- "With Bart, we laugh to keep the bile down. With Bugs, we just laughed."
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.06.15 09:51:00 - [33] Originally by: Discorporation Originally by: Griefer Sutherland You are playing an online multiplayer game, there is no non-consentual PvP in this game. Topic closed. You have the best alt name I saw all day. Seconded. Damn that's a nice one _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Noriath	Posted - 2005.06.15 10:23:00 - [34] I was killed in my first Tristan the second week in the game, because I didn't understand security status yet. I was just about ready to quit the game and probaply would have if it wasn't for another player who helped me get back on my feet. I have rarely ventured into lowsec space since. How it has changed my opinion? Eve is too open for griefers for its own good. It's not so much the problem that you can kill people, more that the consequences are so few that nobody has to ask themselves if they can gain something by killing people. While this atracts the antisocial kind of gamer that probaply has caused his share of canceled accounts and still is allowed to podkill newbies for no reason, it also means that having friends acctually means something in Eve... Overall oppinion: Non-consentual PvP is great, it brings people who play together closer because it's a more dangerous universe, however, the difference between empire space and lowsec is too extreme. You basicly go from 99% security to the killing fields. Whenever you're killing someone you should ask yourself if that is a smart move or if its going to hurt you in the long run - that is the one thing Eve is missing in my oppinion...
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.06.15 10:27:00 - [35] Originally by: Noriath I was killed in my first Tristan the second week in the game, because I didn't understand security status yet. I was just about ready to quit the game and probaply would have if it wasn't for another player who helped me get back on my feet. I have rarely ventured into lowsec space since. How it has changed my opinion? Eve is too open for griefers for its own good. It's not so much the problem that you can kill people, more that the consequences are so few that nobody has to ask themselves if they can gain something by killing people. While this atracts the antisocial kind of gamer that probaply has caused his share of canceled accounts and still is allowed to podkill newbies for no reason, it also means that having friends acctually means something in Eve... Overall oppinion: Non-consentual PvP is great, it brings people who play together closer because it's a more dangerous universe, however, the difference between empire space and lowsec is too extreme. You basicly go from 99% security to the killing fields. Whenever you're killing someone you should ask yourself if that is a smart move or if its going to hurt you in the long run - that is the one thing Eve is missing in my oppinion... Pretty spot on I'd say. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Astarte Nosferatu	Posted - 2005.06.15 10:58:00 - [36] Originally by: Joshua Calvert I once bought a module off the market that was 21% above the regional average. Hehe, indeed, most people think pvp is getting shot by a enemy ship. Only a few do realise pvp is also competing on markets etc... So yes, I'm a victim of non-consentual pvp every time I buy tech II ships, as they are horribly overpriced, just like everyone that ventures in 0.4 or lower can be a victim of non-consentual pvp to. ------------------------------------------ Follower of the Blood Revolution. Sani Sabik.
Seto Mazzarotto	Posted - 2005.06.15 11:17:00 - [37] You might think I'm strange for this, but I don't think I've ever been a victim of non-consensual pvp. Sure, I've been attacked when I wasn't expecting or prepared for it, or taken down with absurdly overwhelming force, but I dunno of that implies lack of consent. It's all a matter of accepting that you may be attacked anywhere you go, and I live for that rush whether it's attack squads in 0.0 or suicide kestrels in empire. Sometimes you can be the cat, other times you're the mouse whether you choose to be or not. Every time I fight or run away from a bigger meaner ship I'm happy as can be. I welcome carnage with open arms, win or lose. I have been a victim of opponents not sharing in my joy of making things go boom, though. That's never fun. Anyways, in the spirit of your questionnaire: 1) No. I love the fact that I have to improvise and dodge people willing to attack me, or that I can catch opponents with their pants down. 2) Obviously. 3) See #2. ----------- Fighting for the ideals of freespace, posthuman ethics, and rock & roll. My Insta Idea
Mrmuttley	Posted - 2005.06.15 11:27:00 - [38] I got ganked fair and square couple weeks ago in an indy. My corp had an empire war on at the time but I thought I was away from the "fun" in the part of space I was in. Couple MC pilots purely by chance turn up at the same station im trying to dock at. Sour the game? Nope whats the point of a perfectly safe game. That would be come sooooooooooooooo boring. My only thought was "Oh dear (swap that for some expletive) what are they doing up here" shortly followed by "Oh well hope my pod survives cos my clone statiion is a long way away " All part of the fun and i can afford the loss. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hmmm I need a Sig
Jernau Gurgeh	Posted - 2005.06.15 11:48:00 - [39] Once I had some stuff on the market, and then somebody else undercut my prices without my consent. There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.06.15 11:49:00 - [40] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Discorporation Originally by: Griefer Sutherland You are playing an online multiplayer game, there is no non-consentual PvP in this game. Topic closed. You have the best alt name I saw all day. Seconded. Damn that's a nice one Thirded. He deserves some sort of award for that name. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Mina Evasngeli	Posted - 2005.06.15 11:50:00 - [41] i've been podded 3 times in the whole time i've playd eve, the last one the worst... it onley affect me to have a more boring game course 0.0 is allmost unreachable unless you whant to end up in you clone. The world has no meaning
SPIONKOP	Posted - 2005.06.15 11:51:00 - [42] I got ganked/podded in OBE in my first MOA by TANK CEO. It was a long time ago maybe August 2003 but yes I was angry, damn angry. It had taken me ages to mine/sell the ore to buy this Moa. It almost caused me to quit the game as weeks and weeks of work went down the pan. But I had a change of heart, bought a 2nd account and decided to mine with 2 accounts and get rich and buy a bigger ship and kill TANK CEO. I have only seen TANK CEO once since then, as his Battleship swopped down and ripped our small mining party to pieces. One of this days maybe I will have my chance to get even. I have been killed many times since then by many people but none of hurt as much as the first OBE podding. But it was almost 2 years ago and I am still here mining and I still look out for Tank CEO when ever I visit a low sec system.
Severe McCald	Posted - 2005.06.15 13:22:00 - [43] It's all very well whining about PvP, but unless you seek it out the kind using weapons is relatively rare. On the other hand, almost everywhere I go there are these NPC's who attack me without my consent! What about stopping this non-consensual PvE? I should be free to go about my business of rescuing Damsels and Silencing Informants without this sort of blatent interference in my gameplay. And another thing..... Yes. No. Yes. Sev And Moses was content to dwell with the man:and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter. And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom:for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.15 13:56:00 - [44] Originally by: Discorporation Originally by: Griefer Sutherland You are playing an online multiplayer game, there is no non-consentual PvP in this game. Topic closed. You have the best alt name I saw all day. Yes, its pure gold. Someone make me a sig :(
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2005.06.15 14:28:00 - [45] the ones that got sour and left arent going to be here to say so mate.. ______________________ Pod from above.
Noriath	Posted - 2005.06.15 15:16:00 - [46] Yea, the real number of people who never started playing because they got ganked in their first two weeks will never be known, but I think it's a lot bigger then some people want to make it seem....
Qalten	Posted - 2005.06.15 15:21:00 - [47] Quote: Did it sour you on the game? Not at all. It brought me up to speed very quickly on the natural dangers, and made me more aware when I travel. Quote: Did you accept it and move on? Absolutely. It's an important part of the game and keeps everyone on their toes. No complacency here! :D Quote: Did you like the game even more? Not sure what you mean by this. I like the game even more now than I did then, yes, if that's what you're asking. EVE Diplomacy Table
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.06.15 15:24:00 - [48] Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 15/06/2005 15:25:56 Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 15/06/2005 15:25:35 Originally by: Noriath Yea, the real number of people who never started playing because they got ganked in their first two weeks will never be known, but I think it's a lot bigger then some people want to make it seem.... If they can't take loosing a cheap cloan and/or pod now. What makes you think they are going to like it any better and/or take it better when it is a Battleship. I too was at one time a , attacked by 's and it got me , so I trained and worked isk earning abilites and now I
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.15 15:33:00 - [49] I have been killed in non-consentual PvP. Never considered myself a victim though. Maybe that is where the problem is, attitude and perception? ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Miri Tirzan	Posted - 2005.06.15 16:00:00 - [50] Lost a bunch of ships... mostly BS for some odd reason. Podded once, no big deal. Never podded anyone, cannot say the same for ships :) svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
fairimear	Posted - 2005.06.15 16:29:00 - [51] the best thing about this thread? the people who engage in less than consented atack are swarming it to stop the carebears moaning. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
babo	Posted - 2005.06.15 16:35:00 - [52] the very first thing I did in eve after the tutorial was to fly out to 0.0 with my basic miner and found a nice rock to mine.. flying away when any npc's showed.. I had read here on these forums that 0.0 was where all the good rocks were. suddenly, a huge ship warped in and nuked me before I could blink, then podded me (without a clone btw) which dropped me back off at the starting station.. I sat there thinking about the battleship that had just blasted me back to the station I was in and I was hooked.. knew I 'needed' one of those.. SO needless to say, I happily nuke newbs I see in 0.0 space now. It is like a rite of passage.. does your ship have a dronebay? If so, sign the petition..
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.06.15 16:36:00 - [53] I got PvPed. Some evil miner came and killed my roid, whilst I was AFK mining it. I'm very upset. This has totally destroyed my EVE playing experience, and I'm now nearly bankrupt, as I couldn't mine my quota of veldspar, and now the loan sharks have come calling for the loan I took out for my industrial. I have 16 children to feed, 4 wives and 1.5 dogs. (Unfortunately poor foo foo has had an unfortunate encounter with a lawn mower, and is now only half the doggie he once was). Now they will all starve, as the loan sharks have cut my fingers off, and I'm now having to post this by speaking into a microphone. Have you any idea how difficult it is to 'press f1' when you're voice activating your computer? I am ruined, a pathetic echo of how I once was: The uberest afk miner of all Yulai. More seriously, PvP is what makes EVE. I have lost ships to pirates, when I wasn't 'ready for it', but I can hardly call that non-consensual, because I was playing EVE, and I was bimbling around a 0.1 system in a caracal. No, it didn't sour my playing experience. The chance that you might lose a ship if you do stupid things is what makes the game so much more appealing. Complaining about non-consensual PvP is like saying getting rain is evil because you didn't consent to getting wet, and "OMG nerf raindrops, they're too big!". (and for those that don't get it, I wasn't serious about the above. I've never mined in Yulai smirk)
Archbishop	Posted - 2005.06.15 16:47:00 - [54] I've noticed a trend in "PvP" among the non-consensual crowd. While they'll sit at gates and gank industrials they're often the first to run when any opposing firepower shows up. I posted an incharacter RP post last week in the Intergalactic Summit about ganking some pirates back. I included a picture of thier "pirate weapons" recovered from the loot of the destroyed pirate Raven. Among the wreckage were THREE warp core stabilizers. It seems these so called "PvP" players are nothing of the sort rather they're "PvITvRLH" players. Thats Player vs. Innocent Traveller vs. Run Like Hell" players! I honestly see no attraction to paying $15 per month to sit at a gate and ganking people who can't even fight back. I mean I've always viewed it as a bit pathetic. Another thing. These people (gate ganking pirates) claim to be PvP players but given the venom with which they state this is a PvP game you'd think they'd find other PvP players to PvP with. Instead they gank non-PvP players. I guess its some kind of cheap thrill for them but make no mistake it is NOT PvP they are doing. If they were really into PvP they'd find other PvP players out there and have some really killer battles with them rather then sitting at a gate ganking industrials. Just my opinion. Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Ja'kar	Posted - 2005.06.15 16:49:00 - [55] Back in the i was set upon and is the reason i still play eve... it was exiting and rl ppl made it worth while...
Ob Noxious	Posted - 2005.06.15 17:11:00 - [56] 1. Not at all 2. Absolutely 3. I like the game about the same, "when" I get a chance to play... I don't understand people who play a game thats advertised as having PvP and then whine about getting killed... It's part of the game. As long as you're careful, getting killed and financially ruined doesn't happen often. If it does, you're doing something very wrong.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.06.15 17:18:00 - [57] Yes, Yes, Yes. -- The best description of alliances, ever:
Siri Danae	Posted - 2005.06.15 17:22:00 - [58] I'm a poor carebear who can't afford pvp at this point, so yeah it sours me when my cruiser gets blown up by a pair of battleships when I'm nox mining. But I still go into 0.0 just to look around, I just use an alt in a Vigil and hope for the best.
Quanteeri	Posted - 2005.06.15 17:27:00 - [59] Did it sour you on the game? Not Really Did you accept it and move on? Yes Did you like the game even more? Yes, I think the "thrill of the chase" is one of Eve-Online's most endearing features. Etc... I had a hauler full of cool crap that got blasted a few weeks ago, I flew my pod back to Empire, got a new hauler, more cool crap, and moved along. This wasn't my first time getting blasted, not even close. I have known since about the third day I joined Eve that the only place that is safe is the inside of a non-conquerable station or logged off.
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.06.15 17:46:00 - [60] Originally by: Lt Hole I would be curious to see how many players have been the target of non-consensual PvP and how it has affected their opinion of Eve. Did it sour you on the game? Did you accept it and move on? Did you like the game even more? Etc... I've had a few run-ins with pirates. Every one of them, including the ones in whivh I blew up, just went to make me think Eve is even more cool than I used to. I'm even tempted to get out into 0.0 and pirate some known hauler routes.

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