Eve is a game. This is not the real world. Just because you are so disconnected from reality that you think harassment in the true sense of the word is ONLY defined by a game company doesn't mean others will feed into your delusion.

You and others like you are so disconnected from the real world that I believe you need to have a time out

Mine aligned to another part of the belt or to another belt. Warp when a bumper approaches. Bumping solved by being ATK.

Exactly the same tactic that has always provided guaranteed safety from gankers.

Depends on the skill of the bumper and the bumpee.

Or the miner could just pay 10 million ISK and that's it.

Eve is a game. This is not the real world. Just because you are so disconnected from reality that you think harassment in the true sense of the word is ONLY defined by a game company doesn't mean others will feed into your delusion.

You and others like you are so disconnected from the real world that I believe you need to have a time out

You started off well, but then you misunderstood me.

What harassment means in the real world applies in the real world.

What harassment means according to CCP applies in EVE.

No overlap.

You made the claim.

This shows that you are nothing but biased and have no real credible opinion. This doesn't work with ice mining, which is what they target. You would never be able to complete a cycle. Problem not solved. Typical belligerent undesirable thinking...

No, it doesn't. It's either get bumped or pay. Extortion, risk free extortion. Filth.

The subject of "bumping in Eve" and "charging rent in Monopoly" are not even in the same relm in regard to gameplay.

Bumping in non-combat situations is an emergent form of harassment allowed by loose gampley rules.
Charging rent is on the other hand, is a clearly written mechanic of gameplay.

One is allowed by loose rules, the other is a specific game mechanic. Trying to equate the two is simply, silly.

Yes, there is. Eve is not a magical place where real world conduct does not apply. Harassment is harassment is harassment until such time that Oxford University decides to change the definition. Keep feeding your delusions though! It simply makes it more evident that you are nothing but a filthy belligerent undesirable who has no place in high sec

Or mine Ore if Ice mining is too "risky."

Bumping is a specific game mechanic. CCP specifically included collisions as a game mechanic. Some space games do not have collision detection at all.

Both are quite specific game mechanics. But people playing monopoly understand that they're playing with other people who might sometimes cause them in-game inconvenience. People complaining about bumping do not seem to understand that.

This shows that you are nothing but biased and have no real credible opinion. This doesn't work with ice mining, which is what they target. You would never be able to complete a cycle. Problem not solved. Typical belligerent undesirable thinking...



No, it doesn't. It's either get bumped or pay. Extortion, risk free extortion. Filth.

No there isn't. I can harass you according to your definition (or interpretation of the OED's definition) as much as I like ingame, so long as I don't harass you according to CCP's definition.

Even with Ice mining, it takes less time to relock after warping somewhere you're aligned to than slowboating back from wherever you've been bumped to.

Or just pay the 10m ISK.

Or mine Ore if Ice mining is too "risky."

To reiterate on what people have said, this is still being discussed given the fact its a seen as a "widespread issue" by a lot of people.

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I've given the GM Team a heads up regarding this thread

Clearly, you do not know how Ice Mining works. Please talk more and continue to discredit yourself

Bumping is a specific game mechanic. CCP specifically included collisions as a game mechanic. Some space games do not have collision detection at all.

Both are quite specific game mechanics. But people playing monopoly understand that they're playing with other people who might sometimes cause them in-game inconvenience. People complaining about bumping do not seem to understand that.

And this is what gets me.

It's the sense of entitlement. The instantaneous cry of "harrassment" as if they were in a single player game and in a risk free space game. Even X-BTF wasn't that risk free. At First

They feel they don't have a defence, fine thats cool, to an extent I think there might be a valid point there. A good bumper is nigh impossible to avoid. Then again lets take a look at the "Scam" itself. 10 mill for 365 days, Christ I fart more than that doing l4's and mining is way more lucrative (I know I've tried it) So what are the options.

Pay up, go somewhere else or find an alternative method to combat the agressors.

That first one appears to be a point of nothing more than pride. The Second appears to be nothing more than stubbornness and the last one would necessitate the banding together of people which appears to be outside their capabilities, so lets cry for CCP instead. Sheesh.

O,k Dialing back the rant a bit, and ignoring completely the cries of the space lawyer inclined (seriously, you're being that guy, you know who you are, don't be that guy.)

Surely it would be better all round than instead of crying harassment or griefing to actually give CCP some positive feedback and sensible ideas? Instead of sticking your hands out place some good ideas in the pot.

Someone a while back mentioned an anchoring module, kind of like a seige module for ships making them much harder to move. Great idea I felt.

Takes power and a module, be bumped or stay still at the loss of tank/cargo/speed e.t.c

I am sorry, but that is just silly. Your solution is to give each bumper 10 mil. and trust them not to bump you for a year. Sure honey, if that is what you truely belive I got a..(insert Jita scam du jure) to sell.


B,

Move to another system. It's free.

I am sorry, but that is just silly. Your solution is to give each bumper 10 mil. and trust them not to bump you for a year. Sure honey, if that is what you truely belive I got a..(insert Jita scam du jure) to sell.


B,

I'm playing this game, and in this game I sell materials gained from mining ice.

Now, since I want the most profit possible, I use valid game mechanics to keep other players from mining ice in my area (unless they pay me a fee).

What part of this could possibly be considered griefing or harrassment either in game or outside it?

To any sane person, none of it.

This shows that you are nothing but biased and have no real credible opinion. This doesn't work with ice mining, which is what they target. You would never be able to complete a cycle. Problem not solved. Typical belligerent undesirable thinking...

Apparently reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Replacing one dumb idea with another seems to be though.

B.

Guarantee bumping miners will be considered griefing by this time next week. That sure will resolve the problem too.

I mean it's not like the entire thing was caused by the nerf to excessive buffs to mining barge EHP or anything and even if it was you can't do anything that would upset the miners.

I am new to eve, so missed out on the original post

I have and will do it again - bumping miners.
For a new player that has no skills I found it the only way to defend myself against those lesser players that sit in hi sec mining in the big mining ships (barges I think they are called). IMO they should be in 0.6 and lower as they have the skills, play the game.

Why I bumped as a new player. I was doing the tutorial and had to mine same ore, warped to a belt and there was two barges mining. I moved to the other side of the belt so as not to get in there way. One of the players moved across the belt (aprox 25km to my position and stated to mine the rock I was. OK they were here first and it might be their area.

So I started to mine another one and then that player started to mine that one I was doing - WTF
So I bumped and bumped and bumped.

I hope they keep it as is, eve has a multitude of options and its the lazy that want it changed instead of looking for an ingame solution. Don't turn eve into a WOW pandora baby game.