you know its funny, before goons and their bull **** came along this game was actually fun but all goons have brought us is the mentally ill that only desire to abuse people and ruin the game for others

this game used to be fun, it was never just about the gank or sipping tears, it was a quality community that had honor and respected others, sure we still had scams and greifing but it wasn't widespread like it is now, this community has really became just a bunch of people looking to **** anyone and everyone every chance they get then turn around and brag about it

While this would be incredibly hilarious to see, can you imagine the carnage at the undock of any busy trading hub such as, say, Jita 4-4, with the implementation of collision damage?

It's hard to pull off when you afk auto-pilot a freighter full of stuff.

To reiterate on what people have said, this is still being discussed given the fact its a seen as a "widespread issue" by a lot of people.

It's January 7th, we still have a fair number of staff who are visiting their families or otherwise taking time out over the holiday period.

There'll be a response, and as was pointed out, it was stated that it'll be after the New Year.

I've given the GM Team a heads up regarding this thread

Please read what I write more carefully in future - I never said I supported a collision damage system, I was merely outlining the work that would go into it. All you've done is suggest that if such a system were to be implemented, gamers would have to think of new ways to prevent people from docking or jumping, and since "gatecrashers" are really only a problem in low or nul, that's what your guns are for.

That doesn't mean it can't be done, or that it won't be done, just that it would entail a lot of work, which is the point that I was making.

I'm starting to see why people accuse you of logical fallacies. Please try to get the point being made right before you go trying to debate something that isn't actually worth debating, especially if the person making the point does not, in any way, support a collision damage system. If such a system were to be implemented, then the pathfinding algorithms would have to a whole hell of a lot better too otherwise hitting "orbit" near any kind of debris in a battlefield is going to get very messy, which is even more work. And the more work and complex code in a game, the more likely things are to go wrong with it.

Seriously, though, read posts before you reply to them.

Eve is a game. This is not the real world. Just because you are so disconnected from reality that you think harassment in the true sense of the word is ONLY defined by a game company doesn't mean others will feed into your delusion.

You and others like you are so disconnected from the real world that I believe you need to have a time out

Yeah, because every freighter pilot is AFKer right?

While miner CAN avoid bumping just by simply NOT be AFK, freighter pilot cannot. Im talking about LOL bumping near the gates which is pure grief. And thats why DEVs considers this as an issue.

Also bumping freighter with frigate? logic

http://www.physicstogo.org/images/features/supertanker-large-7-26-07.jpg

Small Ship + Oversized Engine muscles around Giant Ship + Weak engine. Looks like it's working just fine.

Just like a Frigate (or more likely a cruiser) bumping a Freighter around. KE=.5MV^2. In other words, a 10mn AB Dramiel (mass 5.9m kg, speed 5800m/s) has 190 trillion Joules of Kinetic energy, while a Charon (mass 960m kg, speed 94m/s) has only 10 trillion Joules of Kinetic energy. (The Dram also carries 2.5 times the momentum of the Charon.)

A bog standard 1mn MWD Dramiel (1.5 million kg, 6100m/s) still has over 40 trillion Joules of Kinetic energy to the Freighters 10 trillion.

Why are you surprised that a ship with more energy and momentum than your freighter is able to knock your frieghter around?

I just always wonder where all the extra mass given by the MWD comes from.

But it probably means that it shouldn't be done. Which is the point I was making.

When each new change issued in an attempt to "fix" a "problem" spawns two new ones or requires increasingly bizarre justifications, you might consider looking at the "problem" and see if it's worth "fixing," or even if it's actually a problem in the first place.

In the case of bumping, it is very much working as intended. As for miners, just remember, industrialized ganking was much easier to counter than bumping (tanking their ship was all that was required), and it was entirely their complaints that spelled the end of industrialized ganking and the rise of bumping.

E=MC^2

deal with it.

If CCP will not step in, this will get very ugly.

To reiterate on what people have said, this is still being discussed given the fact its a seen as a "widespread issue" by a lot of people.

I think it's beautiful.

Then orbit the ice you're mining from. For a bumper, a moving ship is far less of a target than a stationary one. Do you completely lack any imagination? Christ, you lot really are the mindless F1 punchers of highsec.

Drones on auto-aggro for rats [X] CHECK
Roid in range of laz0rz [X] CHECK
Punch F1...F3 [X] CHECK
Drool all over yourself while ore hold fills [X] CHECK and CHECK

Extra Credit: Maybe plead in local to mooch off someone's Orca boosts.

Might be, very possible that Fanfest could turn into a major gankfest.] They should invite Slipknot for the ambient background

never happen, its easy to play tough in a digital world without consequence but the real world is another thing where actions actually matter

It's sad to see the non-carebears letting themselves always get dragged into discussions
with the carebears. You non-carebears act as if it was a necessity to talk to them,
ignoring that it makes you just as weak as them.

The non-carebears don't have any way to force anything onto us. They are weaklings.
The only reason they succeed is because *you let them* !

Well all know the right way to deal with bigmouths, so why do you keep talking pointless discussions
which have *no* end, because they'll never understand anyway ? They are like the kid that keeps running
a bigmouth and when you slap them, he starts to cry and runs to his mother.

This whole discussion is *pointless*. It's as pointless as any other discussion with them ever was and will be.
But every time one of these discussions start, it plays right into their hands. From one nerf to the next nerf.

You keep talking and let CCP decide things for you. That's what they want and that's what they'll achieve,
because you don't actually do anything against them ... no ... you just keep talking. From one nerf to the next nerf.


I feel sad for New Eden.


o/

Might be, very possible that Fanfest could turn into a major gankfest.] They should invite Slipknot for the ambient background

We didnt speak out against the people whining about having their untanked mining shipsblown up. CCP believed their lies and made a horrible balance pass on barges. We will not make that mistake again.

That wasn't what i meant. It's good to speak out *against* the weak,
but it's bad to let oneself get lured into pointless discussions *with* the weak.

I am *all* on your - anybodies - side, as long as you stick to the natural laws of evolution.

E=MC^2

More speed = more mass

deal with it.

Alcohol and RL ganking hmmm, I see no good coming of that. Fanfest would be more like Brawlfest.

If they held Fanfest here in Detroit and someone tried to gank you, the simple response here would be just to shoot back, problem solved.
Detroit where the weak are killed and eaten.

Fear not forum poster for we are also posting up numbers, real facts and are willing to deploy graphs to make these numbers even easyer to read.

Not sure why people talk about bumping since this business turned into a massive goongamstyle gankfest and more than that, now they ewok many corporations force them to disband or completely change their playstyle.

I was a big fan of James when he started his small business last summer as it was so hilarious seeing him bumping miners and make a decent living from it. But in the end, it turned into a massive bloodbath bringing hate and violence to the extreme. Now is all about "pay or you will be ganked/pay and you will be still ganked". I don't have much sympathy toward miners, but forcing people to play-live according to your personal rules is not something we should just let go that easy. As it is now, nobody can stop this gankbang, no matter what... they use legit game mechanics and that's why they are unstoppable. If CCP will not step in, this will get very ugly.

Personally I hope that James will stop the mindless gank and get back to the afk miners bumping, I had the laugh of my life reading and seeing the afk minners floating in space for hours km away from the belts... high quality entertainment!