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NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
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Posted - 2013.01.10 03:10:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:La'Krul wrote:Well I just lost a freighter and the others maybe were lost the same way: kill rights.
Apparently, because I had killed someone earlier, they were able to make the kill rights they gained on me available to all of Eve.
Personally, I think this is lame. Maybe not the mechanic itself but the fact that I was totally unaware of this. I log in, check we're not at war with anyone, undock and hit autopilot and come back 30mins later to a pod in a station.
Just seems a bit cheap to lose a ship like this. No involvement from myself, no achievement by the gankers, just no point really.
I'm not even annoyed by the loss, it's like it's not mine really because I wasn't involved but it's left a nice red smear on the killboard. I just feel like, "Sigh, that's going to take a while to earn back. Can I really be bothered?"
I don't want to dumb down Eve but perhaps CCP should make it clear when you are a sitting duck. People say I should have received a notification and I think I remember one about kill rights, but nothing that said "now you're fair game to the whole of Eve". It would be good to make it clear.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You missed the epic rush to get him off the 4-4 dock.
It was glorious.
I was also the only one to loot him.
He had almost made it as well a mere 2km from docking.
The some one had to pop his wreck with all the goodies in it.
I am most displeased. |
destiny2
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Posted - 2013.01.10 04:09:00 -
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they should just allow freighters to have mid and low slots so they can actually fit a tank. look at the freighters on space movies alot of them have tank and guns O.o |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.10 07:50:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:they should just allow freighters to have mid and low slots so they can actually fit a tank. look at the freighters on space movies alot of them have tank and guns O.o
They should allow freighter pilot to use thier brain so they stop trying stunts like hauling 20 bill worth of cargo in a single trip. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.01.10 07:51:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:destiny2 wrote:they should just allow freighters to have mid and low slots so they can actually fit a tank. look at the freighters on space movies alot of them have tank and guns O.o They should allow freighter pilot to use thier brain so they stop trying stunts like hauling 20 bill worth of cargo in a single trip.
But... those PLEX won't move by themselves...
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. -á Back Again. |
Tarsas Phage
Disposition Matrix
120
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Posted - 2013.01.10 17:03:00 -
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La'Krul wrote:Well I just lost a freighter and the others maybe were lost the same way: kill rights.
Apparently, because I had killed someone earlier, they were able to make the kill rights they gained on me available to all of Eve.
Personally, I think this is lame. Maybe not the mechanic itself but the fact that I was totally unaware of this. I log in, check we're not at war with anyone, undock and hit autopilot and come back 30mins later to a pod in a station.
Just seems a bit cheap to lose a ship like this. No involvement from myself, no achievement by the gankers, just no point really.
I'm not even annoyed by the loss, it's like it's not mine really because I wasn't involved but it's left a nice red smear on the killboard. I just feel like, "Sigh, that's going to take a while to earn back. Can I really be bothered?"
I don't want to dumb down Eve but perhaps CCP should make it clear when you are a sitting duck. People say I should have received a notification and I think I remember one about kill rights, but nothing that said "now you're fair game to the whole of Eve". It would be good to make it clear.
There's the Killrights tab - a dedicated tab - in your Character Sheet which details the status and disposition of all killrights related to your char.
There were the numerous Dev Blogs and posts by devs in these forums detailing and discussing the Killrights changes that came with Retribution.
The info was all there, ahead of when the changes were introduced even, and you just chose not to study it. You received a notification when the kill right was made available for others to buy; but you disregarded it. You received another notification when those kill rights were then purchased and activated; but you were AFK, in space, in an expensive ship.
You're suffering from a good dose of indignation. You losing your ship wasn't a "cheap" act on the part of your aggressors - they were taking advantage of the mechanics. Mechanics which you chose to ignore.
This may be surprising to hear, but Eve is a little bit more involved than "Undock, push button"
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
586
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Posted - 2013.01.10 17:32:00 -
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see, you have two options when you're a freighter pilot - you can be stupid, or smart.
I was smart. When my bounty was placed on me, I sold the freighter and started contracting to Red Frog instead. It will take a LONG time before those contracts use up the value of the freighter I sold.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
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Posted - 2013.01.10 18:32:00 -
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3 steps to increasing freighter survivability:
Train all relevant tanking skills to max.
Use a fleet booster.
Don't autopilot.
http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm
Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs |
La'Krul
Havoc Violence and Chaos
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:39:00 -
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]
You missed the epic rush to get him off the 4-4 dock.
It was glorious.
I was also the only one to loot him.
He had almost made it as well a mere 2km from docking.
The some one had to pop his wreck with all the goodies in it.
I am most displeased.[/quote]
Hehe - I wish I'd been there to see it. |
La'Krul
Havoc Violence and Chaos
BricK sQuAD.
3
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:08:00 -
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[/quote]There's the Killrights tab - a dedicated tab - in your Character Sheet which details the status and disposition of all killrights related to your char.
There were the numerous Dev Blogs and posts by devs in these forums detailing and discussing the Killrights changes that came with Retribution.
The info was all there, ahead of when the changes were introduced even, and you just chose not to study it. You received a notification when the kill right was made available for others to buy; but you disregarded it. You received another notification when those kill rights were then purchased and activated; but you were AFK, in space, in an expensive ship.
You're suffering from a good dose of indignation. You losing your ship wasn't a "cheap" act on the part of your aggressors - they were taking advantage of the mechanics. Mechanics which you chose to ignore.
This may be surprising to hear, but Eve is a little bit more involved than "Undock, push button"[/quote]
I realise that you probably have a need to post things like this in order to feel superior or something but if you can get past that then I am just trying to make a simple point. I don't care about the ship. I've played this game for years and had far, far worst, near rage quitting, experiences of quite massive indignation, but this is not one. The only reaction of any note I'm sure were the squeals of girlish delight by the gankers upon their great success in achieving nothing. My reaction upon returning to my screen was "huh, oh great". That's it really.
Everything that happens to you in Eve is your own fault. That is learnt the hard way. The best point, the one that no-one has actually mentioned so far is that I originally got those kill-rights by killing someone else - ergo Karma! I have well over 2,000 kills in Eve and I'm the last person to bemoan the loss of a ship. I don't think freighters need a buff at all and suicide ganking a freighter is something to crow about. The only point I am making is that having people (and I know I am not alone) wondering about in high-sec not realising they are targets is lame because it removes all the skill from the game.
I've just returned to the game, what makes more sense, that I read every dev blog written over the past year or that CCP simply writes a line of text into the notification saying "you can now be legally shot at by anyone, in any space for the duration of these kill rights"? That is all I am saying. I have learnt the mechanics the hard way and obviously know the deal now, but to save other players the lesson, I think on this one that it's fair for CCP to make it clear. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:34:00 -
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La'Krul wrote:I've just returned to the game, what makes more sense, that I read every dev blog written over the past year or that CCP simply writes a line of text into the notification saying "you can now be legally shot at by anyone, in any space for the duration of these kill rights"? That is all I am saying. I have learnt the mechanics the hard way and obviously know the deal now, but to save other players the lesson, I think on this one that it's fair for CCP to make it clear.
1. You already got a notification in your EVE-Mail window that your Kill Rights had been made available to anyone, and at what cost.
2. Had you opened your killright window (unless your break started before the introduction of killrights in RMR, Dec 2005, you should be familiar with it), that would have either told you all you needed to know, or enough that you'd know what dev blogs to look for. (Something like "Huh, I wonder what this 'availible to all for 1m ISK' thing is all about. I think I'll look it up.")
In other words, there is that notification (in two places, no less), you just chose to ignore it.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. -á Back Again. |
Zilero
The Littlest Hobos
Whores in space
30
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:45:00 -
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La'Krul wrote:Well I just lost a freighter and the others maybe were lost the same way: kill rights.
Apparently, because I had killed someone earlier, they were able to make the kill rights they gained on me available to all of Eve.
Personally, I think this is lame. Maybe not the mechanic itself but the fact that I was totally unaware of this. I log in, check we're not at war with anyone, undock and hit autopilot and come back 30mins later to a pod in a station.
Just seems a bit cheap to lose a ship like this. No involvement from myself, no achievement by the gankers, just no point really.
I'm not even annoyed by the loss, it's like it's not mine really because I wasn't involved but it's left a nice red smear on the killboard. I just feel like, "Sigh, that's going to take a while to earn back. Can I really be bothered?"
I don't want to dumb down Eve but perhaps CCP should make it clear when you are a sitting duck. People say I should have received a notification and I think I remember one about kill rights, but nothing that said "now you're fair game to the whole of Eve". It would be good to make it clear.
I lol'ed. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.01.11 00:46:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote:Nothing I've posted is contrary to the suggestion they should not be vulnerable space whales prime from the harpooning :)
I also agree some shuttle tailoring would be pimp :) I want one with go faster stripes! Except that what you are suggesting, (freighter fittings) would mean a nerf to the freighter. With this change, no fitting option would have the freighter reach it's current state.
Want the same cargo space? Then your HP and velocity would be far lower than now.
Want the same HP? Then your cargo space would be far lower than now.
Do you start to see the problem?
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
371
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Posted - 2013.01.11 05:10:00 -
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On a slightly related note... Sometimes I sit outside Amarr hub watching people dock and undock. What would you think, I've only seen freighter pilot using insta-undock bookmark maybe once, and I'm yet to see people to use webbing support, even though I see a lot of freighters derping around nearby systems aswell. |
Ra Jackson
CRIMINALS IN ACTION
Pure Madness.
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:37:00 -
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La'Krul wrote:The only point I am making is that having people (and I know I am not alone) wondering about in high-sec not realising they are targets is lame because it removes all the skill from the game.
Undocking a freighter with active killrights has been a stupid idea since the introduction of killrights, not just since Retribution! First thing I do when I undock anything bigger than a frigate in hisec: Check my killrights. |
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