Because freighters are not supposed to fit modules, were never meant to fit modules and were never meant to have any "fitting options" at all whatsoever, that's why.

As far as help, they can help themselves. It's time for CCP to stop coddling bad players who put their life's worth in a single freighter and, without even double-wrapping it, fly it AFK to Jita.

Stop demanding that CCP isolates you from other players and, for once, learn concepts like "double-wrapping" and "not going AFK"



This is nonsense and you know it. The freighter pilot has the choice to double-wrap and what to fly in a given haul. The fact that you want to do everything in EVE without risk, without thought and with maximum convenience in mind is representative of the problems with the entitled hisec playerbase.

You're right. Freighters should be given 3 rig slots, 8 low slots, 8 mid slots and 8 high slots, 8 launcher and 8 turret hardpoints and infinite CPU, grid and calibration, just because they need ~improvement~ as if something is somehow wrong with them.

Your problem is you are completely blinkered in terms of what options it could add to the game. Stop the stubborn rage and get into a discussion rather than assuming you know it all and you are right. Cheers.

the guy from earlier got it right - if people want to say rig their freighter for maximum cargo - let them, but they should drop even easier than now. even if that maximum is only the current hold size I'd say thats good for the game.

Ever consider that something just doesn't need to have a plethora of options? Ever consider that there can certainly be inconsistency (in this case, a ship which lacks slots?)

A freighter is made for hauling. That's it, full stop. It is not meant to enter into combat. It is not meant to survive for an extended period if it does. It is the sole tier of ship in its class. It has no equals or alternatives. Thus, it has a highly specific role.

If a freighter pilot wants to be protected, he/she should bring (or even hire) an appropriate escort (this is a MMO after all)

If a freighter pilot is worried that he/she may become a target of a gank, the cargo should be broken up and multiple trips made, or multiple ships make the trip in parallel if such is available.

How come this is so hard to settle on?

You're right. Freighters should be given 3 rig slots, 8 low slots, 8 mid slots and 8 high slots, 8 launcher and 8 turret hardpoints and infinite CPU, grid and calibration, just because they need ~improvement~ as if something is somehow wrong with them.

GǪand then we're back to the question no-one who argues for slots can answer:

Why do freighters need a nerf?

Giving the ships options just for the sake of giving it options is utterly pointless, so what is it about freighters that warrants that kind of change? At the moment, freighters are hyper-specialised ships and are the absolute masters of their domain, and no amount of options can make them better. That leaves one direction to change them if any change is to be doneGǪ but why on earth would anyone want that?

Why should freighters be the boring exceptions to the tailoring rule?

What you call a nerf is not a nerf at all - it is just specialisation:

The good old slippery slope fallacy.

I rather think the point is that freighters are fully intended to be single function floating bulls eye's, whose only protections are it's pilots wisdom and it's own massive bulk. It does one thing and one thing only, slowly haul massive volumes of material in quantities that no other ship in the game can really come close to.

It isn't meant to be a challenging ship to fit, or able to mount a surprise or two. It is meant to be vulnerable and require intelligence and/or teamwork to use in a dangerous environment or when hauling high value cargo.

It's a weak link, and it's meant to be that way... something to protect that can be of high value.... not a super hauler able to AFK immense wealth without a care in the world.

Some things in game SHOULD be vulnerable and limited to excelling at only one specific job. Another example would be the lowly shuttle, or shall we consider adding slots to them as well?

Or freighters that can carry fitted ships...

How much tech is used in jump freighters?

This... could be quite awesome, especially with modules. But then they wouldn't really be freighters - they'd be a new type of carrier. One that carries actual player ships instead of drone fighters. That would be awesome beyond belief. Don't say "Orca" - I mean a real combat carrier, like the "Battle Riders" from SotS2.

What you call a nerf is not a nerf at all - it is just specialisation:

Assuming industry should be focussed in HighSec AND that HighSec should be "safe" then freighters should be buffed to protect the "casual player" (not sure how casual you are if you fly a freighter but regardless).

I agree with you 100%.

Nothing I've posted is contrary to the suggestion they should not be vulnerable space whales prime from the harpooning :)

I also agree some shuttle tailoring would be pimp :) I want one with go faster stripes!

Tailoring ships for different roles is what makes this spaceship game more fun. Sorry to answer a question with a question but I've been pretty clear : Why should freighters be the boring exceptions to the tailoring rule?

And for the record I'm not advocating Med or High slots unless they have some industrial purpose like a tractor beam. A freighter with guns and web scram would be a bit moronic I agree. :)

I'd like to see freighter specialised for carrying large volume of Ore - maybe even ones that only carry Ore.

Or freighters that can carry fitted ships...
Or freighters that can align quicker or warp quicker (remember that OP warp speed rig?) for those who like to travel in theirs...
Or freighters that can fit a DCU and more tank for the baiter who has everything...
Or freighters that can haul everything a corp owns all in one go if they want to then die in a horrible embarrasing mess shotuing at his useless corpmates on comms....
Or freighters people are less afraid to risk in lowsec / nullsec and wormholes for whatever reason ...

Well I just lost a freighter and the others maybe were lost the same way: kill rights.

Apparently, because I had killed someone earlier, they were able to make the kill rights they gained on me available to all of Eve.

Personally, I think this is lame. Maybe not the mechanic itself but the fact that I was totally unaware of this. I log in, check we're not at war with anyone, undock and hit autopilot and come back 30mins later to a pod in a station.

Just seems a bit cheap to lose a ship like this. No involvement from myself, no achievement by the gankers, just no point really.
I'm not even annoyed by the loss, it's like it's not mine really because I wasn't involved but it's left a nice red smear on the killboard. I just feel like, "Sigh, that's going to take a while to earn back. Can I really be bothered?"

I don't want to dumb down Eve but perhaps CCP should make it clear when you are a sitting duck. People say I should have received a notification and I think I remember one about kill rights, but nothing that said "now you're fair game to the whole of Eve". It would be good to make it clear.

the guy from earlier got it right - if people want to say rig their freighter for maximum cargo - let them, but they should drop even easier than now. even if that maximum is only the current hold size I'd say thats good for the game.

So for every lowslot, a freighter must lose 22% of its base cargo capacity; for every rig slot, it must lose 17% base cargo. End result: adding slots forces a nerf because you end up with a ship that carries less and is weaker than it is now, and there is no way to recreate their current capabilities.

Given the balancing he mentions, you must also divide hull HP by 2.5 (or a balanced amount) to account for a possible DCU II, do something similar for armor and shields, and also reduce scan res, signature, and a whole host of other stats to take into account other possible modules.

In other words, no sensible hauler wants this. Freighters haul **** very well. They don't need options.

This isn't true. The reason for the Cargo Nerf is to stop Freighters tipping over the 1 Million volume mark, at which point they can transport Capital Ships in their holds. As this would change a major gameplay dynamic that currently exists.
There is however, no reason that if a Freighter pilot chose to accept a much smaller cargo hold that they couldn't have a larger tank than they currently do. Since a 15% larger tank or even 100% larger tank would not create a change in a major gameplay dynamic, it would only change the cost required to gank one.
That said, I would expect some drop in the base freighter tank if they got decent fitting options, but it doesn't have to be on the same scale as the possible benefits.

Okay but going on, tier 3 battlecruisers are a bit too strong at the moment, but nerfing them, no matter, the freighter gankers will just move on to Brutixes, DPS instead of Alpha, and if you're going to start bitchin' that Brutixes are overpowered I'm going to have to pick up my jaw from the floor and then strangle you with your own guts.

Well I just lost a freighter and the others maybe were lost the same way: kill rights.

Apparently, because I had killed someone earlier, they were able to make the kill rights they gained on me available to all of Eve.

Personally, I think this is lame. Maybe not the mechanic itself but the fact that I was totally unaware of this. I log in, check we're not at war with anyone, undock and hit autopilot and come back 30mins later to a pod in a station.

Just seems a bit cheap to lose a ship like this. No involvement from myself, no achievement by the gankers, just no point really.
I'm not even annoyed by the loss, it's like it's not mine really because I wasn't involved but it's left a nice red smear on the killboard. I just feel like, "Sigh, that's going to take a while to earn back. Can I really be bothered?"

I don't want to dumb down Eve but perhaps CCP should make it clear when you are a sitting duck. People say I should have received a notification and I think I remember one about kill rights, but nothing that said "now you're fair game to the whole of Eve". It would be good to make it clear.