Show me the profit in killing an empty JF

Show me the profit in killing an empty JF

It's easy to gank a freighter in 0.5 space.
Simply have 1 of your team mates get concorded as far out in the solar system as possible, from the target. This can easily be done by shooting a wreck belonging to a neutral alt. While concord are busy, bump the freighter (to interupt autopilot) & using the new Tier 3 battlecruisers (loaded with 8x large T2 weapons & a stack of dmg mods. A group of just 3 pilots can produce alpha strikes of 30,000+. Which would eat through most freighters hulls in 5 volleys. Scoop the cargo with an industrial. Rinse & repeat.

CCP should have concidered the impact of introducting Tier 3 battecruisers with higher alphas then tier 2/3 battleships for half the cost. At least give freighters mid & low slots so they can fit some passive hardeners. Your customers would greatly appreciate it.

the salvage ofc

Depends how much you wanted to spend on high-sec ganks.

Edit - perhaps a better word would be practical - as in T3 BCs have made alpha'ing a JF practical.

Show me the profit in killing an empty JF

You reduce your wartargets ability to move assets around. This is usually a solid advantage to have. Plus of course the ISK value of several b. And, if you're into that kind of stuff, the killboard embarrassment.

You're ********.... Back in time you alphaed one with an insured Tempest that costed only 90M, now you alpha it with an uninsured Tornado... Insured BS were a lot less expensive to use than the uninsured t3 BC of today.

AFAIK deliberately "baiting" Concorde is an exploit, as are all other methods of deliberately delaying/enhancing Concorde response (ie you're dead).

Sadly, freighters will be buffed soon, simply because people are stupid...

Some people are realy stupid or lazy, but these days most of destroyed freighters are freigters kiled just for lulz, with no vaulable cargo ganked in empire, people just (expolit) this fact that is easy to destroy them while sacrifice cheap ships with massive firepower.

And you have data to support that statement?

Some people are realy stupid or lazy, but these days most of destroyed freighters are freigters kiled just for lulz,

EvE kill net, average results.

It's not. Some related activities, such as spawning so many CONCORD ships that it lagged the node back in the day, or avoiding the consequences of spawning CONCORD e.g. by recycling alts, are not allowed. Messing with the spawn timers is quite ok.

There's a distinct difference between "unbalanced risk" and "incompetent pilot".

Hey leave me out of this!

Blah...

Well you started it!

Well you started it!

I checked the first two links and both are in an active war. In post instances the freighter pilots are idiots and deserved to die.

Or are you saying horrifyingly slow ships with no weapons or defensive systems should somehow be immune to being shot at? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you simply did not do your homework and are naive enough to think a couple of battlecruisers can do enough damage to even the worst skilled freighter pilot before condord rolls in. It is either that or you are trolling.

I correct myself. OP is a 1 day alt and this is his first post. We have been trolled.

That sould just be a needless nerf to the entire class. A better silution would be to allow them both high EHP and high cargo at the same time. I.e. by leaving them as they are.

But the point is when players have zero options then player intelligence (or lack thereof) never enters the equation either. There is no tangible difference between a smart, cautious freighter captain and a moronic, greedy one when both can be killed by the exact same gank setup.

I will say it again: Freighters need module slots, just like every other ship. Then their captains can decide for themselves if they want more room or more tank. The smart ones will take tank. The cargo ones will probably keep getting ganked.

But the point is when players have zero options then player intelligence (or lack thereof) never enters the equation either. There is no tangible difference between a smart, cautious freighter captain and a moronic, greedy one when both can be killed by the exact same gank setup.

When freighter captains do have options - such as sacrificing tank for cargo & vise versa, only then will people have any right to talk about whether ganking freighters is a problem or not, because only then will the issue of ganking actually be factoring the freighters into the equation. Because right now the freighters themselves, and their captains, aren't even part of the gank equation: They're a fixed set of numbers than can be destroyed with a 100% certainty by a fixed set of gankers, no contest, no questions asked. Player ability or decisions don't enter the picture at any point - and that is a problem. That is nothing more than pure, undiluted bad game design, plain and simple.

Now if you give freighters module slots and they do nothing but fit cargo extenders and stuff themselves with billions of ISK worth of stuff and get ganked, well at that point you can legitimately tell them to STFU and grow a brain (or bring escorts). Meanwhile, the other freighter captains will be using those module slots to tank themselves up to the limit so as to make ganking a losing proposition, ISK wise, for any would-be attackers. Either way, you would get a fair game for freighter captains where Risk vs Reward is actually a thing... because right now it isn't.