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Mistress D'Malice
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Posted - 2005.06.21 15:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Sillente NiKunni
hum disagree....
if all POS owner sell this gaze for 200 isk, did it work as the same ??
using NPC to stabilize is a bad idea.... the raw from moon disapear and all the ppl who whant ot buy them have 0 on the market.....
Point being, buyers will need to pay MORE then NPC if they want to get supplies. If they pay more per unit, the POS operators make more. People make more, more people drop POS's. More people drop POS's, more market supply.
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Karazaan
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Posted - 2005.06.21 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dloan
Originally by: Karazaan
My guess is that they know how many bpo they are soon to release and they did a premptive strike, don't you think?
No, I don't. Otherwise Redundancy wouldn't be coming in here to tell us they're open to change. He can't possibly know how many more POSes are going to be put up over the next few weeks or what they're going to produce.
Well yeah they are open to change, but they did'nt decided to double it for fun? Another thing, I've been asking myself the same thing, why double the result of some advance reaction, yet nothing changed for the simple one? Then it hit me, Large pos. Since mining raw is now 4 time better (price wize) on a small pos, maybe they feel that to help the large pos owner (bless the dread!) they had to give a real reason to have it. Something like that, I'm not sure.
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Adopting a wait and see policy would be a whole lot better than putting a load of POSes out of business.
Can you tell me how will increasing the production of all large pos put someone out of business? Oversupply or something I'm missing? |
Karazaan
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Posted - 2005.06.21 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Busterd
first see how we cope, then change the mass of our ball a little bit, but let us please stay in the same ballpark.
To tell you the truth, I think this is going to be the biggest patch Eve has ever experienced. Gates changes, new ships bigger and stronger than anything before it and if conquerable stations building is in it, that will be major with Cosmos and maybe the true exodus.
Now we will never heard the end of the whining on the forum. Like, a dread came and blowed up our small pos (with max possible guns) our corp lost everything... what could we do... New tech 2 ammo and missiles are too strong, nerf them! New leadership skills are helping gate camper while a lone traveller is screwed, please give us a skill that make loner have leadership skills effect... Big alliances cannot hold more than 2 systems now, what give?
So maybe they decided that since they will have whining so strong that they will have to upgrade the board server (with a cluster :) ) just to keep up with the new thread creation, that they should had a little more whining at the same time, so when the first month will be over, all whining will stop and everyone will understand why all theses changes are good for the game as a whole. |
MrPops
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Posted - 2005.06.21 22:59:00 -
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Greed is driving some of the motives I'm reading in this post. A lot of people want to make their money fast or a return on their investment a lot sooner.
Unfortunately, this will not happen and you should not cry to CCP so they can fix it for you. POS's can be profitable. Some people have attained this level even with the insane fuel requirements, however, if you can't, close shop, sell it, or leave.
Every time there is a new feature that brings along a new market, there is an army of self proclaimed economists and market experts crying about how CCP should fix this or that because otherwise the market will crash, the world will end, and the eve gate will explode dooming the entire galaxy.
Since beta, I have seen all these predictions fail. The market will fix itself as it has done since day 1 of retail. Those who can't run a profitable POS should try to do a better job or close shop as any business owner would do. Don't count on CCP messing with the market so you can make money faster.
The next patch will bring some much needed changes. Try again then.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2005.06.22 12:53:00 -
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Here is your problem. The items are not sold on the market. CCP has no data!
I would believe that CCP needs to force the players hand to make them place the goods on the market. The reason why they create a larger amount of qty is because there is no stuff on the market. They must increase the the qty and break the contracts of the back room players. I do not like contracts and secure dealings. N.A.G.A cartel must be broken. Make N.A.G.A type corporations work like the dogs of Microsoft. The should be punished for being gluttons.
The issue is that as this game depends on POS for sovereignty the POS market will crush under its own weight. Thos contracts will be broken. I am thinking there will be alot more POS than is needed to produce tech II components. You my friends that believe POS is way of life are in for a shock. POS are secondary like running agents. They will be not for production but securing space. They will be destroyed like paper.
POS = ISK sink heheh you all have been owned!
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Busterd
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Posted - 2005.06.22 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Harisdrop
Here is your problem. The items are not sold on the market. CCP has no data!
I would believe that CCP needs to force the players hand to make them place the goods on the market. The reason why they create a larger amount of qty is because there is no stuff on the market. They must increase the the qty and break the contracts of the back room players. I do not like contracts and secure dealings. N.A.G.A cartel must be broken. Make N.A.G.A type corporations work like the dogs of Microsoft. The should be punished for being gluttons.
The issue is that as this game depends on POS for sovereignty the POS market will crush under its own weight. Thos contracts will be broken. I am thinking there will be alot more POS than is needed to produce tech II components. You my friends that believe POS is way of life are in for a shock. POS are secondary like running agents. They will be not for production but securing space. They will be destroyed like paper.
POS = ISK sink heheh you all have been owned!
gimme the stuff u are smoking now ! 
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Mistress D'Malice
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Posted - 2005.06.22 21:42:00 -
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Seconded...
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Lord Byron
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Posted - 2005.06.22 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Harisdrop
Here is your problem. The items are not sold on the market. CCP has no data!
I would believe that CCP needs to force the players hand to make them place the goods on the market. The reason why they create a larger amount of qty is because there is no stuff on the market. They must increase the the qty and break the contracts of the back room players. I do not like contracts and secure dealings. N.A.G.A cartel must be broken. Make N.A.G.A type corporations work like the dogs of Microsoft. The should be punished for being gluttons.
The issue is that as this game depends on POS for sovereignty the POS market will crush under its own weight. Thos contracts will be broken. I am thinking there will be alot more POS than is needed to produce tech II components. You my friends that believe POS is way of life are in for a shock. POS are secondary like running agents. They will be not for production but securing space. They will be destroyed like paper.
POS = ISK sink heheh you all have been owned!
That must have been one of the most stupid things iŠve ever read on this forum mate ....
ItŠs really so stupid that i couldnŠt resist but comment it which i normally wouldnŠt do .
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2005.06.23 13:52:00 -
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Dreadnaught
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SidViciousSG
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Posted - 2005.06.23 18:58:00 -
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The base hourly Isotopes consumption on the test server was decreased by 10%, going from 500/h down to 450/h.
The 25% reduction to fuel consumption by claiming sovereignty is working as intended, further decreasing that number down to 338/h for Isotopes, trade goods, Heavy Water and Liquid Ozone also are affected by the 25% reduction.
The POS management screen on the current test server built does'nt take the 25% reduction into account although the hourly consumption is decreased.
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Sillente NiKunni
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Posted - 2005.06.24 07:07:00 -
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thanks for the info and test
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Beatlebug
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Posted - 2005.06.24 07:21:00 -
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Could building dreadnoughts, freighters and outposts require T2 components? if so, than building these behemoths might just dry up the extra materials and put POS producers from the red to the green. After all, you'll need to have each if your alliance is going to servive in 0.0 long, Especially when your POS are on the map(outpost building too) These might be just what POS owners need to balance the markets.
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Sillente NiKunni
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Posted - 2005.06.24 11:50:00 -
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You can assume they need them cause Transport ship need them, they are not Tech II but require them, as Mobile Warp disruptor
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Dloan
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Posted - 2005.06.24 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sillente NiKunni
You can assume they need them cause Transport ship need them, they are not Tech II but require them, as Mobile Warp disruptor
Eh? Transport ships are Tech II.
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babylonstew
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Posted - 2005.06.24 15:39:00 -
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a this tak of why increase production of reactions, just remember, tech 2 drones are out supposedly with next patch, tech 2 ammo maybe?, tech 2 launchers???
i see a large increase in tech 2 components just for mdrones alone, makes sense right?, and with all these ravens tooling about, surely they want tech 2 launchers, missiles etc...
just a thought, maybe ccp are increasing pos production over a laong period to slowly take up the slack every time a new tech 2 bpo run is dropped????
just a thought.
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Dloan
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Posted - 2005.06.24 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: babylonstew
just a thought, maybe ccp are increasing pos production over a laong period to slowly take up the slack every time a new tech 2 bpo run is dropped????
My point is why bother when the POS industry has lots of room for expansion? Increasing output by over 50% of some materials is hardly "slowly taking up the slack", especially you consider that small and medium POSes can now harvest and react at full speed, the POS fuel reduction and the alliance fuel reduction changes. The POS material industry is going to explode and CCP are going to make sure it collapses under it's own weight if these changes go through.
As I said before, they should wait and see what happens before changing these things.
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