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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.06.19 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 19/06/2005 19:06:07
This char has 7.5M skill points in science and every time i think about the time i took to gather them makes me wana cry 
Some people have the same amount in gunnery for example and at least they can see the profit of them. They hit better, make more damage etc.
Why the hell did i thought a scientist would be the profession of the future and trained this  :
Advanced Project Management LV5 
CSE LV5
Hydromagnetic Physics LV5
Electromagnetic Physics LV5
etc.
500K RPs over 6 agents and the only revenue i have from science is the Raven BPCs i sell?
You talk about Cosmos and missile overhaul and changes to this and that.
HOW ABOUT SCIENCE
That is the most "crapy lowest given attention by CCP devs" profession EVER
I don't like to make any ultimatos but if i don't see improvements in the next 3 months (gives you enough time do FINALY do something) i'm going to cancel my subscription till you make some.
I already have all science skills anyone who is a scientist would wish for, so it doesn't matter to me if my char doesn't train while i have my 2 accounts canceled.
If more "wana be, but CCP doesn't let" science guys make the same i'm sure they will start giving it a little love.
(this post is not supposed to be a flame but once and a while one loses his patience)
Best regards
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2005.06.19 19:09:00 -
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cookie?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.06.19 19:24:00 -
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signed,
I wanted to be a scienties too when I started, for about 2h, then I found out all I could do was buying BPO and selling BPC
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.06.19 19:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Nafri
signed,
I wanted to be a scienties too when I started, for about 2h, then I found out all I could do was buying BPO and selling BPC
I too wanted to become a scientist in the hopes of getting fame and fortune trough my evil inventions. Then my friends (Who where already playing for a bit) laughed at me and told me to go mine.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.06.19 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rhyslin
7.5 mil? I have 25.7 mil so I feel your pain 
In science or reading?
Neither, methinks.
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Rhyslin
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Posted - 2005.06.19 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Rhyslin on 19/06/2005 19:40:57
7.5 mil? I have 25.7 mil so I feel your pain
If you're wondering, that's all of the sci skills on the market to L5, except for RPM, which is at L3 and will remain there. No point getting more agents... 4 times zero chance is the same as 6 times zero chance. 
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Crusher166
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Posted - 2005.06.19 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Nafri
signed,
I wanted to be a scienties too when I started, for about 2h, then I found out all I could do was buying BPO and selling BPC
I too wanted to become a scientist in the hopes of getting fame and fortune trough my evil inventions. Then my friends (Who where already playing for a bit) laughed at me and told me to go mine.
and he did mine. Through many ages he mined, untill the veldspar roids engulfed him with great vengeance and furious anger.
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Rhyslin
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Posted - 2005.06.19 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Rhyslin
7.5 mil? I have 25.7 mil so I feel your pain
In science or reading?
Neither, methinks.
No, I have 25.7 mil in science, 36.7 mil overall, if you thought I had confused the two...
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aeti
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Posted - 2005.06.19 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rhyslin
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Rhyslin
7.5 mil? I have 25.7 mil so I feel your pain
In science or reading?
Neither, methinks.
No, I have 25.7 mil in science, 36.7 mil overall, if you thought I had confused the two...
that has to suck :(
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.06.19 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rhyslin
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Rhyslin
7.5 mil? I have 25.7 mil so I feel your pain
In science or reading?
Neither, methinks.
No, I have 25.7 mil in science, 36.7 mil overall, if you thought I had confused the two...
Doesn't that mean you would have had to start training half the skills before they were released, or am I just way out on my implementation dates?
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Kunming
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Posted - 2005.06.19 20:00:00 -
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Totally agree...
I went like this when I read about archology in the COSMOS blog, so my hopes are high.
On the other hand the lottery system we have atm is an atrocracy. There are like 20-30k players, yet we see single corps gather all the BPOs, if thats what u wanted good job CCP, but I was more hoping to see group of corps getting together to specialise in let say T2 frigate or weapon production, etc. Skill points, time, efford mean nothing its just pure luck... how retarted of an idea that is!
The answer is so simple, BPCs. Those that have the skills trained and doing something for it will get rewarded. And by doing something I dont mean hauling 1000 units of garbage, thats not science thats just being the errant boy for your agent. About the content part we have to wait for COSMOS, but BPCs is something that can be changed and have an immediate effect.
Yet we see the devs work on the new "Voice of EVE" and some borked chat features... cant remember anyone complaining or requesting for it.
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Rhyslin
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Posted - 2005.06.19 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Doesn't that mean you would have had to start training half the skills before they were released, or am I just way out on my implementation dates?
I train at the rate of a little under 1.7 mil SP/month (which isn't the highest, by the way). A rank 5 adv sci skill takes about 3 weeks now from 0. I have been training science exclusively, except for the advanced learning skills, for probably about a year.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.06.19 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rhyslin
Originally by: Avon
Doesn't that mean you would have had to start training half the skills before they were released, or am I just way out on my implementation dates?
I train at the rate of a little under 1.7 mil SP/month (which isn't the highest, by the way). A rank 5 adv sci skill takes about 3 weeks now from 0. I have been training science exclusively, except for the advanced learning skills, for probably about a year.
I wasn't questioning how fast you can train skills, more how long they have been available.
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LukAsh
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Posted - 2005.06.19 20:41:00 -
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This char has 3,5M in science. Tho my alt in 2 weeks will have 10M in science (almost perfect R&D - 6 agents all, except 1, high quality lvl4's with lvl5 skills). Talk about overkill.
But then I have had my share of luck and got more ISK than I could imagine before...
What I don't like about the lottery is that anyone with minimum effort can be a researcher and can win a BP. Take into account how many more of those kind of players are out there and you will se that they get most of BP's. It should be much more difficult to enter the lottry (skill and isk wise).
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LukAsh
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Posted - 2005.06.19 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rhyslin
I have been training science exclusively, except for the advanced learning skills, for probably about a year.
Why for the love of... whould you do such a thing?
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Oolia
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Posted - 2005.06.19 20:57:00 -
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What lottery? There is a lottery? How does it work? Where is it? How does a player enter?
Sorry, total nOOb when it comes to anything science.
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2005.06.19 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rhyslin
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Rhyslin
7.5 mil? I have 25.7 mil so I feel your pain
In science or reading?
Neither, methinks.
No, I have 25.7 mil in science, 36.7 mil overall, if you thought I had confused the two...
i wanna see some pics :)
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2005.06.19 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 19/06/2005 22:45:10
I feel your pain. IRL, I have just finished training Electronic Engineering V, took me four years of grinding to get that done, and I see all my friends who trained Gunnery going around doing exciting things, with me not even getting a cookie by way of consolation. 
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.06.19 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 19/06/2005 22:45:10
I feel your pain. IRL, I have just finished training Electronic Engineering V, took me four years of grinding to get that done, and I see all my friends who trained Gunnery going around doing exciting things, with me not even getting a cookie by way of consolation.
Damn, your engineering dept SUCKS. At UK if you even walk into a meeting of more than 3 people they have a tray of cookies - if theres more than a dozen people they have pizza!
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.06.19 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Oolia
What lottery? There is a lottery? How does it work? Where is it? How does a player enter?
Sorry, total nOOb when it comes to anything science.
Get access to a Research Agent. The better the agent, and the better your applicable science skill, the more tickets you get.
Unless you spend 6 months training for various science skills, your chance of seeing a BPO from it are about zero. If you do make a huge investment, you might see something in a year or three (and it will more likely be an average or crap BPO than a great one).
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Bowcaster
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Posted - 2005.06.19 23:02:00 -
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I agree, the BPO lottery program is a total waste of time, why can't they make it exciting, or interesting for that matter? I've been training for Duvolle for about a month. I'm starting to think I'd be better off training for something else like pirating, where there is a actual payoff.
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2005.06.19 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Crusher166
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Nafri
signed,
I wanted to be a scienties too when I started, for about 2h, then I found out all I could do was buying BPO and selling BPC
I too wanted to become a scientist in the hopes of getting fame and fortune trough my evil inventions. Then my friends (Who where already playing for a bit) laughed at me and told me to go mine.
and he did mine. Through many ages he mined, untill the veldspar roids engulfed him with great vengeance and furious anger.
hmm what that i smell? pulp fiction?
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.06.19 23:03:00 -
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On a seperate note, some things to think on:
THE reason tech II BPOs are desirable is because they are rare. Having Rare things in a game is GOOD.
So long as they are desirable, folks will work to get them.
And power gamers will always have the advantage.
At least with the lottery, the rest of us have a chance.
The only way that we could have a better chance would be if the rarity factor was eliminated, which I don't recommend.
About the only change I'd make would be continuous introduction of BPOs over time. No more than currently for the first 6 months to a year after introduction to the game, but then slowly add more.
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2005.06.19 23:19:00 -
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i thought it made you real good with probes and stuff like that. scanning abiltys.
i didnt know they had no use.
glad i didnt work them.
cant you mine better or somthing?
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.06.19 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT
i thought it made you real good with probes and stuff like that. scanning abiltys.
i didnt know they had no use.
glad i didnt work them.
cant you mine better or somthing?
Some science skills are indeed to scan probes and to mine better, but i was refering to the category "research".
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2005.06.20 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Bowcaster
I agree, the BPO lottery program is a total waste of time, why can't they make it exciting, or interesting for that matter? I've been training for Duvolle for about a month. I'm starting to think I'd be better off training for something else like pirating, where there is a actual payoff.
Which payoff would that be? :)
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Lo3d3R
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Posted - 2005.06.20 01:37:00 -
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science science science, all good and fine, but they "scientist" that got that TII cap recharger BPO should hang on the highest pole in Yulai.
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2005.06.20 02:04:00 -
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I've said this quite a few times before:
What's wrong with science and t2 atm, is that it's TOO easy to do it.
Also anything more than the basic skills for science is almost a COMPLETE waste of sp's (compared to gunnery for example).
It's so ridiculously easy to bag 5 R&D agents that I bet every single person in eve has at least 1 character doing it (I know of a person with at least 10 chars doing R&D).
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Khidr
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Posted - 2005.06.20 02:14:00 -
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I would have thought it self evident that a few corps in the game would obtain whether through their own player base, or via purchase as many bp's as possible. I don't see anything wrong with this either, thats the advantage gained from being in a larger corporation/alliance. The benfits once you actually gain a bp are enormous and thus should be hard to get.
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Serilla
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Posted - 2005.06.20 03:12:00 -
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training science skill has ALWAYS been a complete waste of time.
"scientists" to ccp are just agent runners.. thats all you really do.
You dont research anything.. a npc does it for you.
the only thing a 'scientist' can do is make bp copys faster than other ppl.
And who needs faster bp copys?
Why not just train it up to lvl 1 and put rest in gunnery/mining so u can blow stuff up and mine to replace your ships.
Science is a waste and it will take them 1-2 years before they fix it.
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