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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.01.12 18:54:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:im gallente the winning side but have an amar alt cos ur lps are worth more for the equivelant item in lp store the navy mega sells for no were near a napoc same with the domi to the neddon
simples ur lp is worth more
Lets do some look-ups shall we .. http://eve-central.com/ got you covered!
Navy Dominix: 270M
Navy Armageddon: 300M
Navy Megathron: 410M
Navy Apocalypse: 500M
Why yes you are absolutely right, Amarr LP is indeed worth more .. oh why did I not see that, nothing to worry about at all .. my beautiful teeth gnashed to dust for no reason!!
Question: Is <25% price advantage worth getting 200+% less LP to barter with in the first place?
Again, the "worth more" is a fairytale. Would you like to try again?
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ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2013.01.12 19:45:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:ALUCARD 1208 wrote:im gallente the winning side but have an amar alt cos ur lps are worth more for the equivelant item in lp store the navy mega sells for no were near a napoc same with the domi to the neddon
simples ur lp is worth more Lets do some look-ups shall we .. http://eve-central.com/ got you covered! Navy Dominix: 270M Navy Armageddon: 300M Navy Megathron: 410M Navy Apocalypse: 500M Why yes you are absolutely right, Amarr LP is indeed worth more .. oh why did I not see that, nothing to worry about at all .. my beautiful teeth gnashed to dust for no reason!! Question: Is <25% price advantage worth getting 200+% less LP to barter with in the first place? Again, the "worth more" is a fairytale. Would you like to try again?
Please don't disabuse him of his market strategies. Players who can't count makes life in eve so much easier for players who can. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
378
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Posted - 2013.01.12 19:57:00 -
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Takanuro wrote:
Gunship, you yourself said you were putting an alt in minnie militia! Can't have your cake and eat it!
Unless we can maintain owning a few more systems than we do presently, T2 is not going to be held. I'm sure lots of corps are asking themselves what loyalty to Amarr actually means in a game with screwed up mechanics like FW is at the moment.
I've not seen any dev posts any the multitude of recent FW posts regarding farming etc though so there is nothing to indicate there will be any kind of intervention from them. Any Devs want to saying something please do!
The Devs are happy because they are disconnected from the player base and have no real clue about the problems of the game, that the players encounter. They look at numbers and spread sheets not forum posts.
Numbers & spread sheets show more kills & ships blown up as well as more activity, this over shadows any broken mechanics and complaints. Far as CCP is concerned it's job well done, lets move on to make null sec even worse.
Honestly this is why I wish they would of just left FW alone the way it was a year ago, because their track record for fixing things usually ends up with it being much worse at the end. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
50
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Posted - 2013.01.12 20:31:00 -
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Gunship wrote:ALUCARD 1208 wrote:im gallente the winning side but have an amar alt cos ur lps are worth more for the equivelant item in lp store the navy mega sells for no were near a napoc same with the domi to the neddon
simples ur lp is worth more Lets face it you only have an alt since ther are no more off. plexes to be done.... T1 is stupid and T4 and above is taking the ****. T2 for all (or T2.5 if you want to split hairs)
nope had that alt all along churning out nice napocs im not stupid the more of one side there is the more there lps are devalued and the amarrs hit t2 most days so dont cry t1 sux cos ur hardly ever there u can still make enough to pvp of and a decent living |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
50
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Posted - 2013.01.12 20:32:00 -
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damn dble post |
Flyingleanpocket
Amarrian Vengeance
24eme Legion Etrangere
14
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Posted - 2013.01.12 21:29:00 -
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Feffri wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:I have 3 billion in cash, several billion in ships, and 2.4 million LP. If you are poor in FW you are doing it wrong. I'm not poor but in cal mil you'd be shocked at how many guys are poor... problem now is new guys coming in are a little screwed but guess you can always take 5 days and train a minnie or gal incursus alt to run for their side.
better yet you can get an amarr noob alt and run the gallente plexes at t2 for amarr
its not tier 5 mega billions but its a lot better than half of what you deserve |
Durrr
In Exile.
8
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Posted - 2013.01.12 22:27:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:I have 3 billion in cash, several billion in ships, and 2.4 million LP. If you are poor in FW you are doing it wrong.
This.
Sure, its not the same "asteroids are plated with gold" abnormality as before the pre-retribution patch, but, there are iskies to be made. |
Julius Foederatus
Hyper-Nova
159
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Posted - 2013.01.12 22:34:00 -
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Reading some of these posts, you'd think you all played EVE simply to rack up as much LP/isk as possible. Isk is a means to an end, not the end of the game. As long as you can make enough to replace your losses, you're doing fine. If you're complaining about anything else, please be quiet, no one wants to hear you whine. |
Tsobai Hashimoto
FATAL Warfare
Hopeless Addiction
79
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Posted - 2013.01.12 22:34:00 -
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I have done the math on the LP stores and t2 and t3 are almost the same between minnies and amarr
but this is also cuz minnies have alot of mission farmers flooding the market
when minnies hit t4 they make better isk plexing than amarr t2. but only about 20mill an hour. and have to sell 4times the items on market
t5 is very good isk. no matter how low the market is. and t1is meh isk no matter how great the market is the
only change needed to balance it out would be t1 set at minus 25%
but who said it should be balanced? go plex. get t2. still earn 100m isk an hour |
Dan Carter Murray
364
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Posted - 2013.01.12 23:12:00 -
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i forgot that people always forget to consider opportunity cost. Mintards/Galblob make much more with their LP when the factor of "time" is considered.
THIS IS GOLD FLEET BROTHER. WE DON'T NEED NO ******* THRASHERS/SFIs/CANES.
@DanCarterMurray |
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Taoist Dragon
Forced Penetration
Hopeless Addiction
186
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Posted - 2013.01.12 23:26:00 -
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I love it.
I can't wait till the minmatar and the gallente own 100% of the WZ. That gives me a whole bucketload of low sec I can fly and pirate and run backwater plex's. I'll make more than enough to fund whatever I want and not worry about losing stuff. The market will bomb for Min/Gal fw items and my amarr one will become like gold.
Get on it Min/Gal pilots!
And for the 'losers'. Get off your arses and do something about it rather than whine on the forums.  Or just pack up and swap sides if isk grinding is all you do FW for !
That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
I'm NOT a Pirate! I'm a privateer! |
Dan Carter Murray
365
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Posted - 2013.01.12 23:29:00 -
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until i see amarr mains or their amarr dplexing alts on https://api.eveonline.com/eve/FacWarTopStats.xml.aspx/ under "victory points last week" then idgaf who complains on amarr side about tier or LP.
make a dplexing alt. mine has made me billions from dplexing while afk. on another note, anyone interested in donating 500 navitas and 1500 warp core stabs in myyhera please?
THIS IS GOLD FLEET BROTHER. WE DON'T NEED NO ******* THRASHERS/SFIs/CANES.
@DanCarterMurray |
Squatdog
State Protectorate
Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2013.01.12 23:53:00 -
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The new tier system broke faction warfare.
Heavily penalising the losing side means that people will simply leave or be discouraged from joining, while farmers and gankbears flock to the 'winning' side for free LP and cheap kills.
Of course, this comes after the Farmville debacle and the Goons brazenly exploiting hundreds of billions from the broken LP/kill mechanic, so I expect CCP will either stick their head in the sand or dream up some equally ******** 'fix' to FW. |
ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2013.01.13 01:02:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:I love it. I can't wait till the minmatar and the gallente own 100% of the WZ. That gives me a whole bucketload of low sec I can fly and pirate and run backwater plex's. I'll make more than enough to fund whatever I want and not worry about losing stuff. The market will bomb for Min/Gal fw items and my amarr one will become like gold. Get on it Min/Gal pilots! And for the 'losers'. Get off your arses and do something about it rather than whine on the forums. Or just pack up and swap sides if isk grinding is all you do FW for !
there are too few marketable items that are unique to each faction. the losers will know they won't be competitive with any of the shared items and so will always sell the few unique items in their store at and drive the value down.
The inferno cashouts were the way to keep economic parity but ccp threw that good idea out with the bad when they did the change on october 22nd. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
461
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Posted - 2013.01.13 01:15:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:until i see amarr mains or their amarr dplexing alts on https://api.eveonline.com/eve/FacWarTopStats.xml.aspx/ under "victory points last week" then idgaf who complains on amarr side about tier or LP. make a dplexing alt. mine has made me billions from dplexing while afk. on another note, anyone interested in donating 500 navitas and 1500 warp core stabs in myyhera please?
Back before hell froze over and LP was thrown around (first 2-3 years of FW), Sasa and I were on top on all lists concerning VP. He overtook me when I went pew focus only to refocus himself shortly thereafter .. the amount of time I spent orbiting for no gain other than to annoy other people scares the **** out of me today 
Now that LP has been involved for a year, I doubt any of us are even in top 20 as the farming literally and predictably went out of control, acknowledged by CCP when they made their infamous emergency change followed by npc/plex changes .. neither of which did much of anything to stem the tide.
The tier system itself is irrelevant. The problem is that as long as LP is associated with that which the tier is based on (plexes) and said plexes can be run in stabbed, cloaked throw-away frigs .. the whole she-bang will be run by farmers with everyone not willing or able to "roll an alt in enemy militia!!" relegated to being bystanders.
FW should be pew first and foremost, with farmers coming in once space superiority is achieved, not the other way around.
Edit: Just checked and seems that Sasa couldn't stop orbiting after all .. oh dear .. |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1645
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Posted - 2013.01.13 01:17:00 -
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There's no incentive for Hans to suggest further changes to LP payout. He's Minmatar, after all.
Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com
Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com |
Tsobai Hashimoto
FATAL Warfare
Hopeless Addiction
79
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Posted - 2013.01.13 01:21:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:i forgot that people always forget to consider opportunity cost. Mintards/Galblob make much more with their LP when the factor of "time" is considered.
wrong dcm
when i did the write up i took the best two datcores between amarr and minnies
faction frig. best faction bs and best faction ammo
for all of them at amarr t2 and minnie t3 doing 5 novic plexs amarr made about 1.2 to 1.9 mill more isk
at amarr t2 minnie t4 minnies made around 8 to 10 mill more isk. but would have to haul. sell and use market alts for nearly 3 times the items. ie more jita .01 isk wars!
all of this was on jita sell orders around two weeks ago |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Swift Angels Alliance
871
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Posted - 2013.01.13 01:48:00 -
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Some of the top minmatar VP earners are alts of Amarr guys, so QED, stfu or fill my tear stein with frothy tears, bitte. Prost!
You are also all ignoring the evidence Tsobai presented last week about the actual LP/Isk conversions for readily tradeable items like datacores. Which is about on par for whiners and crybabies.
As for the warzone control in Amarr/minmatar space? It has been a struggle to hold on to the Aset pocket - and while deplexing it, I get 1/6th the LP all of Cynthia Nezmor's innumerable plexing alts and Florestan Bronstein's famous "Chicken Zealot" get. it's hard to complain that getting 30K LP's for a plex vs my 5,100 isn't hard to equalise the actual ISK earned.
Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed.
http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Dan Carter Murray
365
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Posted - 2013.01.13 02:36:00 -
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Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:Dan Carter Murray wrote:i forgot that people always forget to consider opportunity cost. Mintards/Galblob make much more with their LP when the factor of "time" is considered. wrong dcm when i did the write up i took the best two datcores between amarr and minnies faction frig. best faction bs and best faction ammo for all of them at amarr t2 and minnie t3 doing 5 novic plexs amarr made about 1.2 to 1.9 mill more isk at amarr t2 minnie t4 minnies made around 8 to 10 mill more isk. but would have to haul. sell and use market alts for nearly 3 times the items. ie more jita .01 isk wars! all of this was on jita sell orders around two weeks ago
when i get back home i make a spreadsheet for everyone with a pretty graph.
you can't look at raw isk/lp you have to look at isk/hr
btw i'm not complaining about tier.
my AMARR dplex alt makes me boatloads of lp and i oplex for fights which when they dont' come i get lp...even at tier 1. vOv.
maybe i should make a second AMARR dplex alt.
then again...my solution to FW is perfect.
THIS IS GOLD FLEET BROTHER. WE DON'T NEED NO ******* THRASHERS/SFIs/CANES.
@DanCarterMurray |
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
Iron Oxide.
55
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Posted - 2013.01.13 02:56:00 -
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I log in,
I get "hay things are happening join fleet",
I join fleet, undock
I open a new bottle of cider
I post some otter macros
I shoot some amarr
I gf in local, post some more otter pics
All is good.
Your whining is irrelevant.
PS, otters: http://i48.tinypic.com/2mnmxs5.jpg |
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Tsobai Hashimoto
FATAL Warfare
Hopeless Addiction
83
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Posted - 2013.01.13 05:21:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:Dan Carter Murray wrote:i forgot that people always forget to consider opportunity cost. Mintards/Galblob make much more with their LP when the factor of "time" is considered. wrong dcm when i did the write up i took the best two datcores between amarr and minnies faction frig. best faction bs and best faction ammo for all of them at amarr t2 and minnie t3 doing 5 novic plexs amarr made about 1.2 to 1.9 mill more isk at amarr t2 minnie t4 minnies made around 8 to 10 mill more isk. but would have to haul. sell and use market alts for nearly 3 times the items. ie more jita .01 isk wars! all of this was on jita sell orders around two weeks ago when i get back home i make a spreadsheet for everyone with a pretty graph. you can't look at raw isk/lp you have to look at isk/hr btw i'm not complaining about tier. my AMARR dplex alt makes me boatloads of lp and i oplex for fights which when they dont' come i get lp...even at tier 1. vOv. maybe i should make a second AMARR dplex alt. then again...my solution to FW is perfect.
i did do it by isk per hr
it was based on the same amount of novice plexs completed. but amarr getting 10k each and minnies 17500 each and on the 5 major market items amarr made a tiny bit more isk
at the time the top two amarr datacores sold at 144k isk or about 1650 per lp
top minnies were 97k. or about 925 isk per lp |
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
111
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Posted - 2013.01.13 05:57:00 -
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Gunship wrote:I don't do a lot of plexing, normally moving as soon as I see a new target and I only make 5-20K LP a night for that reason. Now it's not a big issue, got other streams of income, but for our new players in corp its an up hill struggle at -50% they have a big dis-advantage compared to our wonderful opponents. Frustrating as it's as we all know largely farmer based. Minmatar just have more slaves and I don't think that's likely to change any time soon.
What I am saying in order for Amarr not to completely go off the map T2 should be the minimum. In fact I would be very happy to see T1-T5 scrapped and just give all T2.
just my 0.02 LP
You admit you cant be arsed to actually play FW, you are only here because you are afraid to take sentry fire and/or can't recruit enough people for your pirate corporation. Also known as "only for the pew". Maybe if you would use your fleets for properly plexing, situation would be better. Hint: you would also get more fights that way, as everyone can evade a "roaming" fleet of noobs, but no one can just ignore you if you plex their home system. |
Tsobai Hashimoto
FATAL Warfare
Hopeless Addiction
84
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Posted - 2013.01.13 06:23:00 -
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Cynthia Nezmor wrote:Gunship wrote:I don't do a lot of plexing, normally moving as soon as I see a new target and I only make 5-20K LP a night for that reason. Now it's not a big issue, got other streams of income, but for our new players in corp its an up hill struggle at -50% they have a big dis-advantage compared to our wonderful opponents. Frustrating as it's as we all know largely farmer based. Minmatar just have more slaves and I don't think that's likely to change any time soon.
What I am saying in order for Amarr not to completely go off the map T2 should be the minimum. In fact I would be very happy to see T1-T5 scrapped and just give all T2.
just my 0.02 LP
You admit you cant be arsed to actually play FW, you are only here because you are afraid to take sentry fire and/or can't recruit enough people for your pirate corporation. Also known as "only for the pew". Maybe if you would use your fleets for properly plexing, situation would be better. Hint: you would also get more fights that way, as everyone can evade a "roaming" fleet of noobs, but no one can just ignore you if you plex their home system.
Cynthia, mad respect for you and i know your working your alts off fighting hard for amarr in the aset pocket but gunny has done a good job getting a rag tag of noobs and vets into the mix
like having a corp only a few weeks old grow to 50members and have daily and on weekends twice daily 20-30man fleets....alot of it while teaching new guys about pvp
we do 1-2 plexing fleets a week and the rest are daily roams
i myself am looking to increase our corps plex fleet operations to a more daily bases
either way you will be seeing more hopless additcs in your pocket. hope you dont mind |
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
111
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Posted - 2013.01.13 06:35:00 -
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Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:Cynthia Nezmor wrote:Gunship wrote:I don't do a lot of plexing, normally moving as soon as I see a new target and I only make 5-20K LP a night for that reason. Now it's not a big issue, got other streams of income, but for our new players in corp its an up hill struggle at -50% they have a big dis-advantage compared to our wonderful opponents. Frustrating as it's as we all know largely farmer based. Minmatar just have more slaves and I don't think that's likely to change any time soon.
What I am saying in order for Amarr not to completely go off the map T2 should be the minimum. In fact I would be very happy to see T1-T5 scrapped and just give all T2.
just my 0.02 LP
You admit you cant be arsed to actually play FW, you are only here because you are afraid to take sentry fire and/or can't recruit enough people for your pirate corporation. Also known as "only for the pew". Maybe if you would use your fleets for properly plexing, situation would be better. Hint: you would also get more fights that way, as everyone can evade a "roaming" fleet of noobs, but no one can just ignore you if you plex their home system. Cynthia, mad respect for you and i know your working your alts off fighting hard for amarr in the aset pocket but gunny has done a good job getting a rag tag of noobs and vets into the mix like having a corp only a few weeks old grow to 50members and have daily and on weekends twice daily 20-30man fleets....alot of it while teaching new guys about pvp we do 1-2 plexing fleets a week and the rest are daily roams i myself am looking to increase our corps plex fleet operations to a more daily bases either way you will be seeing more hopless additcs in your pocket. hope you dont mind
Lets just say, if I could be bothered with corps, I would put 20 alts into your corp and vote for you as CEO.  |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
586
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Posted - 2013.01.13 08:02:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:I have 3 billion in cash, several billion in ships, and 2.4 million LP. If you are poor in FW you are doing it wrong.
TBH after all these "stop WCS/cloak afk alts farm" posts I've expected to see numbers with 1 more zero in the end. It seems FW isn't that profitable after all (due to huge time/money sinks I guess). |
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Samurai Pizza Cats
103
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Posted - 2013.01.13 08:10:00 -
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Feffri wrote:Cat Casidy wrote:Actually we had to fight our asses off for ikoskio because the dusties pushed it up to over 50% against us. Are you sure, because you took ikoskio before dust was integrated fully. I don't think it was activated yet so they just had it on the default of which ever fw had it originally it gave them full points. I think only today would be the first day it's in affect. Either way you guys have the isk and are going to be able to afford the mercs. **** most guys are pressed to get into t2 cruisers and you guys are titan dropping fw battleships. Isk war lost.. check :).. well everything lost, check
To clarify that, we had taken the system prior to the integration, once it was in the Dusties pushed it to over 50% against us and the caldari groups used it to their advantage. We had to constantly send a fleet or two out to cover that area as wed deplex it to the 50s or so and itd bounce right back to the danger zone of mid 70s almost immidietly (**** that word im drunk). So it forced us to have to concentrate more attention to that system than we normally would have had to.
SLAPD - Star Scientist, I science stars
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Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
111
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Posted - 2013.01.13 08:12:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:I have 3 billion in cash, several billion in ships, and 2.4 million LP. If you are poor in FW you are doing it wrong. TBH after all these "stop WCS/cloak afk alts farm" posts I've expected to see numbers with 1 more zero in the end. It seems FW isn't that profitable after all (due to huge time/money sinks I guess).
Define profitable in EVE.
How do you think FW players should spend their money? Buy a Titan, and lose it while they are AFK like Gorski Noob? |
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Samurai Pizza Cats
103
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Posted - 2013.01.13 08:39:00 -
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Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:I log in, I get "hay things are happening join fleet", I join fleet, undock I open a new bottle of cider I post some otter macros I shoot some amarr I gf in local, post some more otter pics All is good. Your whining is irrelevant. PS, otters: http://i48.tinypic.com/2mnmxs5.jpg
That is a fantastic otter. You are welcome in Pizza Cats space anytime.
SLAPD - Star Scientist, I science stars
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Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Samurai Pizza Cats
103
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Posted - 2013.01.13 08:49:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:I have 3 billion in cash, several billion in ships, and 2.4 million LP. If you are poor in FW you are doing it wrong. TBH after all these "stop WCS/cloak afk alts farm", "I can make 400mill a day" posts I've expected to see numbers with 1 more zero in the end. It seems FW isn't that profitable after all (due to huge time/money sinks I guess).
Meh, I make about a bill for about four hours of work when I'm bored. It's mind numbing and terrible but it means I can toss stuff into "we're probly gonna die who's up for it?" situations and not really care. The answer is always yes.
-edit- I do that on my main, me
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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
663
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Posted - 2013.01.13 10:55:00 -
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The biggest problem is that CCP chose T2 as the "100%" number - if they had just called T1 payouts "100%", T2 payouts "200%" and so on there would be a lot less "at T1 you get less for your work than you deserve" complaints.
I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
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