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Karl Savage
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Posted - 2005.06.23 20:07:00 -
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Heres a few bits of advice from someone who wages war like this.
1) Don't panic.
2) Don't whine on the forums - people will learn of your existance and come after you themselves eventually.
3) Always fight back - at least to start (It's fun and a valuable learning tool)
4) Have fun with it but try not to fly what you can't easily replace.
5) If it get's too much, pay them off.
General advice here
If you're a small corp and the money demanded to end the war is paltry (300 mil is paltry really) you are better off spending the ISK to pay the attackers off than hiring mercs. I say this because Mercs work for a set period of time usually and the attackers can easily sit it out until the contract expires. Once that's done they can and probably will come back, royally ****ed at you for setting mercs on them.
Most extortionists will take the money (or other assets to the same value) and leave you alone. In fact, some may even stick up for you in the future should someone else go after you.
What you really don't want to do is draw attention to yourselves, so keeping your business off the forums is essential otherwise you are inviting other like minder corps to do the same to you since they know you are a vulnerable target.
Running to a new corporation to evade the war upsets extortionists and they will remember you for it. They will keep on coming back and hurting you over and over and over again.
Sucking it up and meeting the enemy head on will earn you respect from a lot of extortionist corps - even if you get trounced. You are far more likely to get a more reasonable resolution to the war if you keep it friendly and don't stark smacking.
Lastly, if you are adamant about not giving into their demands and/or can't pay the fee, just sit it out for a while and be patient. They will move on when they get bored.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.06.23 20:42:00 -
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 Originally by: navert
Give them what they don't want.....nothing to shoot at. Scatter in about 3 groups, and go somewhere and hide. Heck, put on long skill training and play Guild Wars for two weeks. Since is costs a corp next to nothing to dec War and grief a small mining/production corp for weeks.
Worst advice ever, fight back. Use inexpensive ships against their tech 2 ships. Running and sticking your head in the hole when someone fights you will never get you into 0.0 where the real money is.
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FatBalls
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Posted - 2005.06.24 07:26:00 -
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I do not understand 90 percent of the people here. Somone might have paid them to dec them and when that happens a lot of people get ship replacment so it is not going to **** them off to lose a ship/ I would also like to say that not hiring a merc corp to fight them due to not everyone in the corp wanting to be at war with you is also nonsense. The others do want the war and it is tearing apart what you have built and why would you let it go gently into the night ? Hire a merc corp who lives for this stuff. Hire two or three ffs and punish them. I know that we have two open slots atm and I am sure many others do as well. We come with references from very large production corps who would say that we have stopped wars within the day their are others we were not as lucky to have done in a day but we have never surendered and our foes always' have making the production corp the winner in the end for a minimal amount of isk you have won and others will think twice about decing you in the future.
Anyway, it is 3 a.m. and I am probably babbling but if it were me pay the guys off or simply hire us to help a out :)
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Treborc
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Posted - 2005.06.24 07:38:00 -
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Update from the War Front :---
Earlier today while I was at work the first shots were fired in this war declared for no other reason than 'We are broke'.
Now that it has really started I nolonger feel the need to speak of the agressor as a PvP corp but name them as being 'Killer Clowns From Outer Space' and the miner/builder corp as being 'Hellhound Industries'
The first casualty was a newbie who was only a day old who joined 'HellHounds' after being warned that we were at war. Poor 'Semjac' with skills of a newbie and a rookie ship was pod killed within hours of his application being accepted.
Therefore after much consideration a further option has been identified and will now be implemented.
Option 8.
(a) Advise corp members to not exit stations currently docked at, and to setup shop buying/selling on the local market.
(b) Sub-contract out all mining activities to other corps.
(c) Start building up ships and ammo stocks for sale and supply to other players as needed.
(d) Offer sanctuary to any PvP player, pirate, bored miner alts, and homeless ship killers who want to have a chance to kill other players with impacting their Concord security standing while roaming within Empire space.
(e) Put out corpse contracts on identified 'Killer Clowns' members
(f) Increase 'Killer Clowns' members Concord bounties for each identified player and renew them once a week untill end of war.
(g) Offer rewards for 'Killer Clown' member details not already held.
(h) Advise everyone who asks to check 'HellHound Industries' Corporate BIO for War status details. (Bounties, Contracts, Target lists, Signup bonuses)
So now we defend ourselves to the best of our abilities, with the support of our friends and customers.
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V2GBR
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Posted - 2005.06.24 08:09:00 -
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Killer Clowns From Outer Space, \0/
Back in the game and already causing trouble i see :)
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Regma
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Posted - 2005.06.24 08:54:00 -
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Build your members a bunch of T1 frigs, get on TS and go out there and fight.
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Karmic
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Posted - 2005.06.24 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Treborc
2. Hire a merc corp to declare war on the PvP corp.
Talk to Hygelac, Farjung, Squagel, Charity Regard or Cabadrin in-game. I'm all up for hunting filthy hobbitseys.
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Elaine Marley
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Posted - 2005.06.24 09:10:00 -
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Edited by: Elaine Marley on 24/06/2005 09:15:33
In my Opinion 300 Mills is a nice offer.
1. Pay the ransome and risk the war still happening.
Usually if the ransom it paid, the war is going to be over at that point.
Offer 5 wouldnt bring you that much because i guess they wardec the new corp either.
2. Hire a merc corp to declare war on the PvP corp.
Possible idea, but that wouldnt bring a lot of benefits in my eyes.
3. Recruit PvP'ers into the mining corp.
It might happen that the Fee is going to be more to be paid.
4. Offer bounties for the PvP corp members corpses on the channels.
Thats not worth it, i wouldnt go for it. Since you shoot 3 NPC and have more isk then most ppl offer bounty. Anyways too much fool with that too tho.
5. Shut down the mining corp.
That might be an option but if you leave the corp, they might wardec the new etc. pp.
6. Ignore the war declaration.
That might really hurt, because if you ignore it, and your members got fragged they will not help you either anymore.
7. Pay the Ransom stop the war.
That might be a nice option either 
ROFL:
Fightback in cheap frigs, you will probably have alot of fun! and it wont break the bank.
Or if your that scared of losing a 200k ship then hire a merc corp (alot of them out there are crap and jumped on to MC's bandwagon If you take the merc route shop around...
Some examples...kia,any of the MC, Cult of Cuthulu, depends on how much isk you have tbh.
LOL as seen from the DNA videos one apoc vs plenty of Frigs. IT WAS A NICE VID! Download it laugh a lot. AND think about coming in frigs =). Thx to DNA for this VID BTW
Podding Regards
Elaine Marley
Put the money on the table, here is the Inflation Control
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Elaine Marley
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Posted - 2005.06.24 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: V2GBR
Killer Clowns From Outer Space, \0/
Back in the game and already causing trouble i see :)
WFTW =)
Podding Regards
Elaine Marley
Put the money on the table, here is the Inflation Control
Veni, Vedi, Vici |
Treborc
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Posted - 2005.06.24 09:41:00 -
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I am at a lose on what is an good bounty, one that will ensure that a person will be looking over their should when ever they leave station.
And how do you ensure that the said pod death has occured, is a corpse able to be always provided?
Is 5 million enough to get the job done or is it 10 million??
And is a corp wide bounty applicable?
As you can see above the CEO of the PvP corp has no intention of leaving the Miner corp alone untill he's been paid, and does not care that in the process forces its memebers to resign and join other corps possibly destroying the miner corp in the process.
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Elaine Marley
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Posted - 2005.06.24 10:31:00 -
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Well you are right. No intention as evil as we come.
You could proof that with corpse for sure. But give me a reason, why you want to make more angry that wouldnt help vs. this thingy.
A ransome has to be paid, even if its one isk or 1 Billion.
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And if you hire merc worth 300 Mills you could even pay the ransom.
That corp isnt that small not in its amount.
Just think about my offer, and convo me before you call the police.
Poy da Elaine
Podding Regards
Elaine Marley
Put the money on the table, here is the Inflation Control
Veni, Vedi, Vici |
V2GBR
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Posted - 2005.06.24 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: V2GBR on 24/06/2005 10:44:40
WFTW ?
Im feel so dumb having to ask :(
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Elaine Marley
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Posted - 2005.06.24 11:11:00 -
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 War for the win!
Podding Regards
Elaine Marley
Put the money on the table, here is the Inflation Control
Veni, Vedi, Vici |
KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2005.06.24 11:30:00 -
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If you want to end this war swiftly. Then you have no choice except to pay the ransome.
If you decide to hire a merc corp, then hire a good one, dont bother wasting your money on the wannabees out there, as Killer Clowns would wipe the floor with them and then with you. MC CoC MASS (KIA are currently engaged in multiple Allinace Target Contracts, as such we are not free, and tbh, you couldn't afford us) would be an example of a good mer corp, I will leave it to the good members of these forums to point you towards the nubs that aren't worth hiring.
Hiring a merc corp, would probably keep KC of you for a while, and may even see the war dec dropped. When KIA are hired in, we also take ALL available resources from the contractor, and train those resoiurces to fight. This normally enables the contractor, after the back of the aggressor is broken by KIA, to defend itself from any die hard agrressors left. MAKE sure the people you hire are willing to do this also.
This game is nothing more than agame, so whatever outcome will make you happier, do it.
Hiding and running, is no fun and will not gain you anything long term
If you would like anymore advice, contact me in game.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
MegaJ
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Posted - 2005.06.24 11:43:00 -
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Typical killer clowns picking on mining/production corps, grow some balls.
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Elaine Marley
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Posted - 2005.06.24 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: MegaJ
Typical killer clowns picking on mining/production corps, grow some balls.
There is no need to grow our balls.
But you might get some Ball implants tho
Podding Regards
Elaine Marley
Put the money on the table, here is the Inflation Control
Veni, Vedi, Vici |
Entity
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Posted - 2005.06.24 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: MegaJ
Typical killer clowns picking on mining/production corps, grow some balls.
*cough*
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Leno
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Posted - 2005.06.24 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: navert
Never give bullies money.
Give them what they don't want.....nothing to shoot at. Scatter in about 3 groups, and go somewhere and hide. Heck, put on long skill training and play Guild Wars for two weeks. Since is costs a corp next to nothing to dec War and grief a small mining/production corp for weeks.
What i dont understand of this mentality really is that your not playing eve, so where is the fun in it for you hiding and running and staying docked. I mean they can do the same thing or persue other targets while your living afraid. IMO talk with the people attacking you and see if you can get something worked out. Mercs is another good option but depending on the corp attacking you they could quite well be better pvp'ers then alot of these pretend mercs. Also then your just giving them so good fun targets still.
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Coasterbrian > babies are good, especially raw
Coasterbrian > soft and crunchy at the same time
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Crayathan
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Posted - 2005.06.25 08:14:00 -
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Isn't it a shame when people from other legit corps scout for these people, wouldn't you say leno
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.06.25 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Entity
Edited by: Entity on 24/06/2005 16:28:14
Originally by: MegaJ
Typical killer clowns picking on mining/production corps, grow some balls.
*cough* 
PWNED.
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Sweetpain
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Posted - 2005.06.25 11:38:00 -
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When you cut away all the wrappings then your left with only what to expect from a clown and not.
All i know is what i expect is someone that dress silly, talk silly, act silly and basically can not be taken serious in any way. and yes Killer clowns from outer space is no exception, well maybe there is one exception since normally clows are adults entertaining children, while the clowns in this game seam to be children trying to entertain other children.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.06.25 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sweetpain
When you cut away all the wrappings then your left with only what to expect from a clown and not.
All i know is what i expect is someone that dress silly, talk silly, act silly and basically can not be taken serious in any way. and yes Killer clowns from outer space is no exception, well maybe there is one exception since normally clows are adults entertaining children, while the clowns in this game seam to be children trying to entertain other children.
^^ funny alt, go recycle now...
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Billybob Blue
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Posted - 2005.06.25 14:11:00 -
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hello elaine and fellow killer clowns... hope your having a good day.
since you are trying to make some easy isk from some carebear corp, i only think its fair i make some as well.
unless you or one of your corp mates pay me 100mill isk before 2005.06.23 23:59 i will start posting on this thread one name at a time the complete memebrship list of killer clowns for all too see and then as information comes to hand a list of your alts and then your members alts and then your moles in the other carebear corps........
oh and by the way the price for me stopping this public airing of killer clowns dirty linen goes up 10 mill per hour after the deadline......inflation you know.....expenses .... bribes .... new suit ....... new shoes...... raven with blue racing strips ..... titan bpo .....mmmmmm
and i must thank publicaly my source inside killer clowns..... so to be fair i will name you last giving you plenty of time to convince your fellow members to pay up.
HAVE A NICE DAY .............................
and btw ............ I LOVE THIS GAME>>>>>>>>
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The Revenger
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Posted - 2005.06.25 14:37:00 -
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go bob go :O
dont ever pay the bastards. they dont deserve your isk.
what you also can do is make friends of a pvp corp. make deals with them for selling mineral to thm for good prices if they help you defend your corp.
when some newbie pvp corp declared on my corp i let a few buddys in that killed there bs and then they runned away.
you can also make multiple corps with alts and corphop  they will need to declare multiple corps what will cost them alot
or yust bore the to death and play with alts or play another game like battlefield 2 or guildwars. best is when you still have eve running while playing other game. so that they are camping a afk char
or you build indeed a fleet of cheapass frigs/cruisers and go fight and that way learn a bit abouth pvp. but if you dont like pvp then dont do that. they will have funn killing your figs. pvp corps want big killnumbers to let them feel uber |
Billybob Blue
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Posted - 2005.06.26 01:22:00 -
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Edited by: Billybob Blue on 26/06/2005 01:23:18
hello elaine and fellow killer clowns... hope your having a good day cause mine is FANTASTIC
nothing like relaxing with the miss'es at a pleasure dome moon resort after a hard mission.
the time has pased and i see no respones from yourself or fellow corpmates, and i take this as your demand to see some of my cards........so here is one or two or more.........
its several actually cause i am feeling generous.
'elaine marley' ceo of killer clowns current security status -3.1 current concord bounty 7,089,824.00 isk. she has several alts which will be named later if payment is not made.
'skillz' founder of killer clowns now second in command current secuirty status -2.3 current concord bounty 1,125,000.00 isk. he has several alts which will be named later if payment is not made.
'Mishima' current security status -1.8 current concord bounty 4,005,000.oo isk. he has several alts which will be named later if payment is not made. by the way one of your recent carebear kills is still laughing when i interviewed him at his corporate health spa holiday after being re-cloned. what u shoot him with?????
please understand that attempts to find me via location agents will lead you to me ship and pod currently stored with scotty #12543 the station manager several jumps away from my current location. this will also mean i cannot clear my email currently being received by my pod.
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DarkStar251
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Posted - 2005.06.26 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Treborc
(f) Increase 'Killer Clowns' members Concord bounties for each identified player and renew them once a week untill end of war.
LOL they will more than likely be PLEASED about that.
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Solarfury
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Posted - 2005.06.26 05:34:00 -
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If you pay to stop the war, you will have more of those corps declare war on you. So whatever you do, don't pay the ransome. Just stay off the game for a week, let them bored out of their mind then they will no renew the war. Or if you really don't want to fight the war, just form a corp channel ask all the members to go there then let them leave the corp. Once the war is over you guys can join back. Yeah, it is kind of cheap but it is not like declare war purly just want ransome is any better in the first place.
The best tactics to end war that you don't want is to bored them to death. If you hire merc, fight the war yourself but knowing you wouldn't win or offer bounties will only make wars renew on you. Based on what you stated, I think it is best to just create and corp channel then leave to corp to wait it out. Leave the ceo alone in the corp. You guys still can mine and talk to each other without worry about being attacked.
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2005.06.26 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Crayathan
Isn't it a shame when people from other legit corps scout for these people, wouldn't you say leno
Not when Leno and the bad Canon man is the same person 
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Leno
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Posted - 2005.06.26 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Originally by: Crayathan
Isn't it a shame when people from other legit corps scout for these people, wouldn't you say leno
Not when Leno and the bad Canon man is the same person
/me hands ruffio a cookie... and you couldnt even figure it out until i told you...
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Coasterbrian > babies are good, especially raw
Coasterbrian > soft and crunchy at the same time
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2005.06.26 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Leno
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Originally by: Crayathan
Isn't it a shame when people from other legit corps scout for these people, wouldn't you say leno
Not when Leno and the bad Canon man is the same person
/me hands ruffio a cookie... and you couldnt even figure it out until i told you...
Sorry but you guys got to many alts to try keep track of as it is. A member of sharks is kind of the least place we would be looking for a pirate who take part extort and blackmail at such a level.
Another question is? How will the MC maintain their credability and neutraility required for their line of work when allowing a member of theirs doing what you do 
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