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X'Alor
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:34:00 -
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got a gun boat with 8 mill in laser gunnery specificly skills.
I said good'ay.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:36:00 -
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 Originally by: X'Alor
got a gun boat with 8 mill in laser gunnery specificly skills.
I said good'ay.
Grats to you.
Now lets do some testing if youre up for it. You bring that funny 8mill laser gunnery specificly skill character in a sniper-win-gank-frigate-at-range setup, ill bring a frigate. See who dies, shall we?
/Elve
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:36:00 -
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OMG, my raven only kiulled 3 battleships be fore dying!! Raven is underpowered 
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Selim
OMG, my raven only kiulled 3 battleships be fore dying!! Raven is underpowered
Raven is alreadty bad why they make it worse?!? When I was NPCing in niyabainanenan and griefer war targets come in 20 elite frigs i only kill 15 of them before they break my tank!!! This si not fair, turret BS can kill them all from 150km befoer they reach it, CCP nerf please before my accoint cancelled
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siim
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Selim
OMG, my raven only kiulled 3 battleships be fore dying!! Raven is underpowered
ok..
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siim
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:40:00 -
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enough sarcastic stuff kthx
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Airios
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:43:00 -
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"I understand what you are saying and I have two chars with Cald BS5 and who stand to lose bigtime with this deal. I see value in what you are saying but you need to see that there are alot of people who are calling BS over the increasingly popular tactic of getting a group of 10+ frigs\AFs\etc together and wrecking havoc PRE PATCH on bigger ships worth 2x more than the entire value of ALL those frigs\AFs."
So what you are saying is 10 people should not be able to beat up one? Besides if you don't want to risk all you'r fancy mods and ships don't use em. p00f problem solved.
Bottom line is Thorps and cruise missiles should not be able to even hit frigates. Unless they are mwding in a straight line... maybe.
Also from what i understand this isnt a nerf, it's a missile buff.
All you complaining raven pilots are extremely spoiled!
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 27/06/2005 19:44:55
Originally by: siim
Originally by: Selim
OMG, my raven only kiulled 3 battleships be fore dying!! Raven is underpowered
ok..
Siims just mad cause he has caldari cruiser 5.
PS siim I saw you lost ur cerb
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X'Alor
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Airios
Bottom line is Thorps and cruise missiles should not be able to even hit frigates. Unless they are mwding in a straight line... maybe.
Two with CBS 5 ......ickes
Bows.
and with your comment above you must mean like large turrets can at say 60km.
So why don't they do this missle buff using tranversial velocity as the determining factor for missle damage
instead of overall speed of ship and ship sig radius.
Then anything that gets in close and orbits, missles do almost no damage like turrets.
probably too balanced and would act like turrets do.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:52:00 -
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Hi X'Alor, i see you happily managed to evade my question.
If i, or any other decent frigate pilot out there, were to fly at your sniper Battleship from 150km to scrambling range, i would get there. In one piece. With my shields and armor intact.
Aint a thing youre going to do about it.
/Elve
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Airios
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:54:00 -
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Hehe, guess you got me wrong i dont have 2 chars with bs lvl 5. I suck at quoting so i copy pasted in that 
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:58:00 -
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like why should an interceptor be able to kill a battleship when a battleship cant kill a interceptor?
"We brake for nobody"
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siim
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Posted - 2005.06.27 20:03:00 -
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2X heavy nos + 6 heavy drones will still eat all ur lil stupid interceptors 
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Airios
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Posted - 2005.06.27 20:04:00 -
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"like why should an interceptor be able to kill a battleship when a battleship cant kill a interceptor?"
The battleship have plenty of options to do this. but the raven have the nos+missiles [I WIN] Button, Other battleships need to have a more specialized setups hence sacrificing overall combat ability vs other battleships..
Maybe im unclear but what i mean is the raven basicly only need one single setup for all jobs...
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.06.27 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
like why should an interceptor be able to kill a battleship when a battleship cant kill a interceptor?
Web + drones = dead frig
Oh noes, i have to use 1 midslot which helps me vs frigs, HACs and battleships
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X'Alor
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Posted - 2005.06.27 20:18:00 -
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Elve, if you wish to get onto sisi and try. be more than glad too.
All i can do there is test it against dumb NPC frigs.
And we are talking frigs not inties.
no offense taken and no offense ment. I'd love to have some testing on sisi and/or someone to test with.
but keep in mind there is a no podding rule. i'd hate to see ya loose stuff on sisi to test things out.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.06.27 20:27:00 -
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and if the interceptor has a friend named griffin with jammers? or if the interceptor is orbitting at 11-15km?
but anyway, the dmg output of interceptors are too big considering they are suppose to intercept.
a 10-man interceptor fleet would kill a battleship very fast, could frigates do the same? as frigates are suppose to be dealing more damage? as they are not suppose to intercept?
"We brake for nobody"
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2005.06.27 20:41:00 -
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Yes, 10 frigates will take a BS apart faster than his corpmates can ask what system. Mix in some AF's and inties and you have a party.
And yes, frigates in groups should kill BS. The determining factor in this game is manpower, not ISK. ISK is too easy to get now with missions and complexes, not to mention a little NPCing or mining in 0.0.
Problem seems to be that all sides want their dinner handed to them. A kill is worthless if you didn't have any challenge getting it.
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Amrotis
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Posted - 2005.06.27 21:21:00 -
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I personally don't like these changes. Yeah, I'm a caldari pilot, but I'm not complaining that torps dont instawtfpwn frigs. They seem to just make very little sense to me. The whole idea with missiles is that they have always hit for full damage, if they hit at all. As far as I remember, they used to work fine some time before exodus, when the missile flight paths didn't instantly mean that the missile caught up and hit orbitting frigates, and when some t1 frigs were able to outrun cruise missiles with relative ease. Seems to me that all the whining started when torps suddenly began hitting 2km/s orbitting frigs.
I don't understand why they changed it, or what they actually did really :/ Seems a better solution to me for missiles to be outrun by smaller ships, than for them to be almost useless against frigs without kitting specifically to kill them. Of course, this would pose the problem of cruisers getting instabbqed, and the raven being somewhat useless in fleet combat once more, but I'd rather have that than the current changes on SiSi tbh. Ravens will dominate fleet combat in the future methinks, able to mount a full rack of damage mods and a full tank _easily_, and hit for more damage at longer range than most turret ships, almost instantly.
Anyway, just my thoughts. I mainly fly small ships nowadays anyway, so I guess the new changes will benefit me :| |
Lilat
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:01:00 -
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Ok to comment on missiles and not have the new missile skills on Sisi is stupid. I trained the new skills all to lvl 4 which makes a HUGE difference. Its like saying you trained large energy turret to lvl 5 but you only have Amarr BS lvl 1 and none of the other supporting gunnery skills and your mad about the Dmg output of your guns. Stop whinning people!
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Amrotis
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Aleis
What I personaly love is listening to all of you Band Wagoneers, Whine about everything everytime something changes. Honestly I see the same people Praising God that they have a ton of Lazar skills because Apocs are Teh Win again that were crying their bleeding little hearts out when Pulse Lazars got nerfed.
Just Accept the fact that the game changes and wait for missle to come back around to the top again. And if you don't want you 6 mil skill points to "go to waste" then don't switch to a Turret boat.
**Auto Responce for Post-Patch Whines**
OMG!! My (Insert Ship Type) Has just been made worthelss thanks to this patch. I Mean I just tryed my old Set-up out and it did like (Insert Statistic of Weapons Sucking). I could get better damage out of (Insert Previusly Inferior Weapon) on a (Insert Previusly Inferior Ship).
I just wasted (Insert Large Number of Skill Points) and (Insert Long Period of Time) Training for (Insert Uber Weapon of DOOM) and now it's completely Useless.
Did CCP even test this!? If you wanted everyone to use (Insert New Uber Weapon) why even have (Previusly Uber Weapon of DOOM).
**Copy and Paste Then fill in with your personal information**
I've got a crazy Idea. how about every on stop worring about Uber DOOM Cannons and just have fun playing the game. I chose the kind of ships i wanted to fly, and the role i wanted to play, when i made my character and have stuck to that ever since. And guess what, i have 29+mil skill points which, throughout every patch, every Nerf, not once have i considered any of them "Wasted."
I know this was kind of a rant but honestly if you just accept teh changes and just playthe game you might have a little fun despite yourself.
No offence, but posts like this **** me off. The changes that happen are down to the playerbase whining about the current situation a lot of the time. Nothing would get changed if people didnt OHNOES whine and moan11?"!!? In the same way, is it not evident that everything is not so perfect if such a large amount of people are genuinely concerned about the changes, and not just the forum *****s who dont want their sp to be 'wasted'.
The whole reason these changes are being implemented in the first place is down to players commenting on how missiles are too effective against smaller ship classes, so telling people to stfu has absolutely no positive output at all. If, as you suggest, everyone stops whining and forum posting, eve would be a pile of ****e most likely, because the devs wouldn't have a clue about the conerns of the people who actually play the game, and they wouldn't know if they got something wrong. Take a look at the projectile 'fix' some time ago, as an example. |
Aleis
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Aleis on 27/06/2005 22:22:24
Theres a difference between constructive critisisim and whining, you can make posts about what needs to be changed with out *Whining* about things, which is what most do. It's just an interesting observation that half of all posts to these post-patch threads can be summed up with that little mad-lib formula.
and in a game which, at teh time i logged in had 10k players online and Far Many more offline, the 5 pages of "Whines" doesn't even come close to being a noticble percentage of the population, only the most Vocal.
I'm not saying things don't ever need to be changed but its the end of the world posts that really make me laugh. When in another 2 months or so There will be another patch and it's very likely for all these OHNOES to become PRAISETHELORDS.
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Amrotis
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:22:00 -
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Actually, I find that most of the posts contain something constructive, and the only ones worth ignoring are the ones that read something along the lines of:
'my raven ent working innit. wots rong?'
Which tbh, are becomming less and less common and get flamed to hell instantly anyway.
Meh, I dunno anyway, I don't spend all that much time whoring the forums anyhow :/ |
Maorio
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:34:00 -
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I really don't like tha fact tha standard launcher now take 25 CPU to have online I'm already tight with CPU as it is in my kessie (yes I'm a caldari n00b) I really don't have much skills in anything so I don't care too much but if there are going to be drastic changes in usefulness of weapons inthe game like this is going to be then it becomes way to un predictable and you will have to change weapon setups after every patch has been introduced. an dthe seige launcher won't be able to shoot all kinds of missles, why? that will just nerf the **** out of the bigger ships, since I don't fly anything bigger than a frigate I don't really mind. how will this affect frig to frig combat? will it have any affect? will it take like 10-15 volleys of light missles to kill a few 2k bountiues now? it usually was more or less instakill those things. I really don't see why a good hit with a torp shouldn't be able to kill a frig? as the info says:
Slow and dumb but its sheer damage potential is simply staggering.
and now they are fast and dumb but they suck at doing damage so this info isn't accurate against frigs and now the top speed is 2813m/s (with full skills and ship bonuses) is that slow and dumb? you could almost out run a torp with an inty and an ab but now you will need 3 overdrive and an MWD to even have a chance. the missles in the stats are going WAY too fast they will now get to the target really fast but will now barely scratch it. a torp doing a wrecking hit on a inty with only about 10-15 damage is very strange. if anything make torps dummer and maybe even a little bit slower decrease the speed with like 50-100m/s. is there anyone here who is able to taget someone at around 250km? as they are missles tehy should always do a specific amount of damage (resistance will ofcourse play a role here) for a spefic "perfection" of the hit as guns do now. why should they always hit? missles aren't 100% dead accurate. these "changes" will flush all missles users down the toilet and all "begginers" who have found the kestrel a easy way to make a little bit of money will also go down with them. I say thx CCP just after I found a game that I enjoyed playing and a way of gaming that was enjoyable (group bounty hunting) what will I do now? maybe I should hit mining for a while?
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Inspiration
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:41:00 -
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Realy, I read most of this thread, and suddenly I feel becoming retarded....just like the rest here. My brain simply hurts of all this nonsense and I feel an urge of going balistic (pun intended).
The only two constructive things I read in this whole thread are:
* With new skills to level 4, missiles are worth it (I hope that pans out)
* They should have released the skillbooks a bit in advance so peeps could start training.
The rest IMHO is utter smack talk, so many dumb things, so much taunting and rubbing in (along with even more nonsense) from non-missile users. Well, back to polishing my tempest now....half missile boat, half gunner. I will adapt and survive for sure, even if it takes months to fully train away most of the initial nerf. Also, there is more to EVE then just combat....I won't be bored :).
Check out my Shield/Armor resistance calculator.
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Antic
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Posted - 2005.06.27 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus
...Yes, 10 frigates will take a BS apart faster than his corpmates can ask what system. Mix in some AF's and inties and you have a party.
And yes, frigates in groups should kill BS. The determining factor in this game is manpower, not ISK. ISK is too easy to get now with missions and complexes, not to mention a little NPCing or mining in 0.0...
heh yes lets all blob even more
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Insane Violence
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Posted - 2005.06.28 00:19:00 -
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if a torp hits a frigate it should do the most damage. Stupid that if a torp hits a smaller target it does less damage than a larger target. |
DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.28 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Antic
Originally by: Mortuus
...Yes, 10 frigates will take a BS apart faster than his corpmates can ask what system. Mix in some AF's and inties and you have a party.
And yes, frigates in groups should kill BS. The determining factor in this game is manpower, not ISK. ISK is too easy to get now with missions and complexes, not to mention a little NPCing or mining in 0.0...
heh yes lets all blob even more
10 frigs is a blob now?
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Antic
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: Antic
Originally by: Mortuus
...Yes, 10 frigates will take a BS apart faster than his corpmates can ask what system. Mix in some AF's and inties and you have a party.
And yes, frigates in groups should kill BS. The determining factor in this game is manpower, not ISK. ISK is too easy to get now with missions and complexes, not to mention a little NPCing or mining in 0.0...
heh yes lets all blob even more
10 frigs is a blob now?
The emphasis on that manpower should be the deciding factor in eve is promoting blobbing yes.
It wont work as long as eve PVP is about ganking.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
and if the interceptor has a friend named griffin with jammers? or if the interceptor is orbitting at 11-15km?
sacrifice 1 hi-slot and fit an assault launcher with FoF lights?
you have to compromise somewhere.
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