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Flardowell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.18 04:24:00 -
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So I'm in a unique situation, where I have a pilot that I can easily train to either an Erebus or an Avatar.
I'm fully aware its a titan, and i'm fully aware that it "doesn't really matter." None-the-less, I'm curious as to the responses of which to get, erebus vs avatar in this situation? I know the bonuses and effects of each, but overall, which could you say is better and why?
Thanks for the replies! |
terzho
StarFleet Enterprises
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.18 04:31:00 -
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Giant space genital or giant space potato? |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
612
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Posted - 2013.01.18 04:39:00 -
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Erebus
Standings Improvement Service
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Destoya
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:27:00 -
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Erebus has a better DD damage type and slightly more DPS, but the Avatar has a larger tank. Really a case of picking whatever one you like better tbh |
Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:53:00 -
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If you're not flying around in a giant phallus there's something wrong with you. |
Veronica Kerrigan
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:58:00 -
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I would personally go for the avatar, because as long as I have a jump gate worth 60 billion ISK, I want it to be as survivable as possible. |
Richard Stallmanu Stallmania
Yoyodyne corporation
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.01.18 11:55:00 -
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Veronica Kerrigan wrote:I would personally go for the avatar, because as long as I have a jump gate worth 60 billion ISK, I want it to be as survivable as possible.
WTB 60B titans
PM with offers |
Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations
Kraken.
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Posted - 2013.01.18 12:15:00 -
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They both jump bridge well enough...... |
Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
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Posted - 2013.01.18 12:47:00 -
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Destoya wrote:Erebus has a better DD damage type and slightly more DPS, but the Avatar has a larger tank. Really a case of picking whatever one you like better tbh
Thermal damage is the primary/secondary resist of 3/4 races - meaning T2 ships have a much higher resistance to thermal damage by default. Only 1 race has an EM resist bonus
Or let me put it another way. How often do people fit "Armor EM Hardener II" ? |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
Unclaimed.
458
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Posted - 2013.01.18 12:57:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Destoya wrote:Erebus has a better DD damage type and slightly more DPS, but the Avatar has a larger tank. Really a case of picking whatever one you like better tbh Thermal damage is the primary/secondary resist of 3/4 races - meaning T2 ships have a much higher resistance to thermal damage by default. Only 1 race has an EM resist bonus Or let me put it another way. How often do people fit "Armor EM Hardener II" ?
Quite often, a lot of A-hacs around lately...
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To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2013.01.18 13:10:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Destoya wrote:Erebus has a better DD damage type and slightly more DPS, but the Avatar has a larger tank. Really a case of picking whatever one you like better tbh Thermal damage is the primary/secondary resist of 3/4 races - meaning T2 ships have a much higher resistance to thermal damage by default. Only 1 race has an EM resist bonus Or let me put it another way. How often do people fit "Armor EM Hardener II" ?
on what T2 ship you can use a DDD?
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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
241
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Posted - 2013.01.18 15:16:00 -
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To mare wrote:Maeltstome wrote:Destoya wrote:Erebus has a better DD damage type and slightly more DPS, but the Avatar has a larger tank. Really a case of picking whatever one you like better tbh Thermal damage is the primary/secondary resist of 3/4 races - meaning T2 ships have a much higher resistance to thermal damage by default. Only 1 race has an EM resist bonus Or let me put it another way. How often do people fit "Armor EM Hardener II" ? on what T2 ship you can use a DDD?
Boosh. Capital warfare is dominated by armor tanks, where Judgement will cause the least damage of all four types while being on the (arguably) best hull. Should the capital metagame change to favour widespread use of shield tanks, Judgement would be the best DD on the (then arguably) worst hull.
To answer OP's question, I'd say the Avatar is the better pick in terms of practicality in combat. Sure it won't be doing the most damage at point blank, but in those rare supercap brawls, being able to change crystals to adapt to the new prefered optimal in the blink of an eye is worth a lot.
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Rajere
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.01.18 16:33:00 -
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Erebus is cheaper, if all you're looking for is the bridge. |
Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:11:00 -
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Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:To mare wrote:Maeltstome wrote:Destoya wrote:Erebus has a better DD damage type and slightly more DPS, but the Avatar has a larger tank. Really a case of picking whatever one you like better tbh Thermal damage is the primary/secondary resist of 3/4 races - meaning T2 ships have a much higher resistance to thermal damage by default. Only 1 race has an EM resist bonus Or let me put it another way. How often do people fit "Armor EM Hardener II" ? on what T2 ship you can use a DDD? Boosh. Capital warfare is dominated by armor tanks, where Judgement will cause the least damage of all four types while being on the (arguably) best hull. Should the capital metagame change to favour widespread use of shield tanks, Judgement would be the best DD on the (then arguably) worst hull. To answer OP's question, I'd say the Avatar is the better pick in terms of practicality in combat. Sure it won't be doing the most damage at point blank, but in those rare supercap brawls, being able to change crystals to adapt to the new prefered optimal in the blink of an eye is worth a lot.
I never once mentioned T2 hulls. Resists apply to T1 hulls, just not as much. If you are flying with 1, 2 or 3 active hardeners on an armor tank, then EM is your lowest resist. If you are using omni tank, the difference is minor due to stacking etc.
I'm not arguing it's less damage, simply saying "It's not as big a deal as people make out". The avatar still rocks. And has insane EHP - which makes a big difference in capital fights. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:17:00 -
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erebus, because it's a space whale
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2013.01.18 19:20:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:To mare wrote:Maeltstome wrote:Destoya wrote:Erebus has a better DD damage type and slightly more DPS, but the Avatar has a larger tank. Really a case of picking whatever one you like better tbh Thermal damage is the primary/secondary resist of 3/4 races - meaning T2 ships have a much higher resistance to thermal damage by default. Only 1 race has an EM resist bonus Or let me put it another way. How often do people fit "Armor EM Hardener II" ? on what T2 ship you can use a DDD? I never once mentioned T2 hulls. Resists apply to T1 hulls, just not as much. If you are flying with 1, 2 or 3 active hardeners on an armor tank, then EM is your lowest resist. If you are using omni tank, the difference is minor due to stacking etc. I'm not arguing it's less damage, simply saying "It's not as big a deal as people make out". The avatar still rocks. And has insane EHP - which makes a big difference in capital fights.
Secondary resists don't exist at all on t1 hulls. T1 hulls get the primary resist (so only caldari have extra therm resistance), and since its on armor only, its really irrelevant. From that perspective, thermal is always better, unless there is a high chance the target will be fitting 3 hardeners instead of 4 or 1.
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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
241
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Posted - 2013.01.18 22:04:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:I never once mentioned T2 hulls. Resists apply to T1 hulls
Maeltstome wrote:Thermal damage is the primary/secondary resist of 3/4 races - meaning T2 ships have a much higher resistance to thermal damage by default. Only 1 race has an EM resist bonus
Or let me put it another way. How often do people fit "Armor EM Hardener II" ?
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Demolishar
United Aggression
741
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Posted - 2013.01.19 12:31:00 -
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Tar. It's just generally a better ship. Bus's usefulness (apart from boosts) died with the tracking nerf. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
480
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Posted - 2013.01.19 14:10:00 -
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One that doesn't need loads of ammo.
One that has huge tank
One having excellent dps
One making ladies dream and love touching for a fantastic trip to the other side of the universe.
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Garr Earthbender
Justified Chaos
133
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Posted - 2013.01.19 15:19:00 -
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WTB T2 Titan. 
-Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. -Paper |
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
490
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Posted - 2013.01.19 15:33:00 -
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Why choose?
Buy both and pick up a parking alt.
Girl's gotta have different outfits for different occassions. |
Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
41
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Posted - 2013.01.20 13:12:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:
I never once mentioned T2 hulls. Resists apply to T1 hulls, just not as much. If you are flying with 1, 2 or 3 active hardeners on an armor tank, then EM is your lowest resist. If you are using omni tank, the difference is minor due to stacking etc.
I'm not arguing it's less damage, simply saying "It's not as big a deal as people make out". The avatar still rocks. And has insane EHP - which makes a big difference in capital fights.
Any titan going to a supercap fight gonna fit 2 corpum eanm, dcu, and core x hardnener of each type. avatar will most likerly fit a RAH aswell.
Your argument it flawed or assuming the enemy titan pilot have no clue how to fit a titan.
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Misaka Todako
Close Proximity
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Posted - 2013.01.21 01:19:00 -
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A better question is why you want a titan. If you have some glorified dreams of drive by DDing carriers and shitting on subcap fleets, I patiently await your lossmail on eve-kill.
For the more sane, bridging is the same across all titans, and the tanks on both are pretty good. In any actual cap vs cap fight it'll be a game of rock paper scissors with resist holes, but you're still rocking the tank of a POS so who really cares. You should have reps anyway; you weren't planning on exiting a POS alone, right? Pick which one you'll waste less money/training on, because it's just a giant jump bridge right now.
If you want a ship that's actually useful, pick up a supercarrier, or stick with standard caps that can dock.
If you want more info, I have a pretty long post at the end of the "titan changes" thread stickied in this very subforum. |
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