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Aston Martin DB5
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:31:00 -
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Not sure if this topic has been discussed before but I was wondering how the community felt on improving the current skill training process.
Currently adding things to queue is quite bland if you ask me. Why not implement a system which rewards players for doing activities while online such as pvp combat, pve combat, etc.
How the player could be rewarded is a SP bar which players earn doing certain activities and at the end of each week/month players can spend these points on skills they like. Now obviously it wouldn't amount to 1million being applied weekly or monthly but maybe a max of 500 points.
Not only would this benefit current players but it would definitely help new players as well feel as if their character is progressing in a meaningful way.
No flaming and please provide constructive feedback as to why or why not this would help/hurt current game mechanics.
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baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:35:00 -
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No.
First it would rewaqrd the people who can play the longest, the casual gamers get shafted.
Second, the reward for doing activities is isk, the activity itself, something that will net you isk or all three.
No.
I know I said no twice but I feel it is such an important thing to say it justtified saying it twice. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
13683
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:37:00 -
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Hell no. Grind is not acceptable.
Edit: Also a system such as this was in Eve early on. It was removed because it was abused.
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Zen Dijun
Xoth Inc
Unclaimed.
7
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:38:00 -
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Agreeing with the first response, NO!
Consider, however; that there is a benefit to paying more than others. You gain valuable tactical training and gain a significant advantage in PVP over those who practice less. So, in a way, you are gaining experience over other players.
-- Zen |
Sejania Tor
Unity Systems Engineering
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:39:00 -
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This isn't wow or any of the other kill ten rats gain experience rpgs. Let's keep what we have and let the others keep theirs. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
399
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:40:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Hell no. Grind is not acceptable.
^This^
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Aston Martin DB5
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:42:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Hell no. Grind is not acceptable.
So you feel pvp is grinding or doing things that earn your character isk is as well? These are things all players engage in EVE. Why not reward them for doing it.
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
13683
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:43:00 -
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Aston Martin DB5 wrote:Mag's wrote:Hell no. Grind is not acceptable. So you feel pvp is grinding or doing things that earn your character isk is as well? These are things all players engage in EVE. Why not reward them for doing it. No, I feel grinding for SP is unacceptable. You want that type of system, then go elsewhere.
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:44:00 -
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Aston Martin DB5 wrote:Mag's wrote:Hell no. Grind is not acceptable. So you feel pvp is grinding or doing things that earn your character isk is as well? These are things all players engage in EVE. Why not reward them for doing it and give players more control of their characters' progression.
They do get rewarded. |
Aston Martin DB5
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:44:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Aston Martin DB5 wrote:Mag's wrote:Hell no. Grind is not acceptable. So you feel pvp is grinding or doing things that earn your character isk is as well? These are things all players engage in EVE. Why not reward them for doing it. No, I feel grinding for SP is unacceptable. You want that type of system, then go elsewhere.
So it's acceptable to grind unless it involves SP? Why is that?
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Daisai
The Riot Formation
Unclaimed.
64
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:46:00 -
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This isnt a bad idea, i also been thinking of rewarding people who decide to dedicate some time and effort to this game.
Currently in the first few weeks of the game its almost pointless to play the game since you can hardly do anything.
However there is the problem ofc with players like the above who rather not see players who spend time and effort to get rewarded.
The comment saying the experience is the reward isnt true, thats not a reward. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
13684
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:46:00 -
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Aston Martin DB5 wrote:Mag's wrote:No, I feel grinding for SP is unacceptable. You want that type of system, then go elsewhere. So it's acceptable to grind unless it involves SP? Why is that? Because SP isn't the be all and end all of Eve. It's only one part and works very well as it stands right now. Plus any type of system like this, is open for abuse. This is why it didn't last long the first time it was introduced early on in Eve's life.
Also, there is only grind in Eve, if you want there to be grind in Eve. This promotes it and is wrong for that fact.
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Zen Dijun
Xoth Inc
Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:49:00 -
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Daisai wrote:This isnt a bad idea, i also been thinking of rewarding people who decide to dedicate some time and effort to this game.
Currently in the first few weeks of the game its almost pointless to play the game since you can hardly do anything.
However there is the problem ofc with players like the above who rather not see players who spend time and effort to get rewarded.
The comment saying the experience is the reward isnt true, thats not a reward.
IF you don't believe experience is a reward in EVE, then you don't truly know this game. ;)
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Aston Martin DB5
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:52:00 -
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Sejania Tor wrote:This isn't wow or any of the other kill ten rats gain experience rpgs. Let's keep what we have and let the others keep theirs.
Not relating this to any other mmo.
If you like the current system, cool.
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Ghazu
498
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:54:00 -
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hey guys guys i am like pretty rich now i don't even have to rat anymore but i still need to rat for sec status how about passive sec status regen?
http://www.minerbumping.com/
lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984 |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:56:00 -
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Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
So it's acceptable to grind unless it involves SP? Why is that?
Fairness.
Everyone in EVE gains the same amount of SP as everyone else no matter how much time they have to play. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
13684
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:57:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:hey guys guys i am like pretty rich now i don't even have to rat anymore but i still need to rat for sec status how about passive sec status regen? Indeed. Also I require a bank in Eve run by NPC bankers, that gives me 5% interest on my ISK.
Edit: Make it 15% or higher.
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Carthas Onasi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:59:00 -
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Making it for SP would turn it into a grind.
I would feel I have to do it to progress properly and I would instantly hate it. The current skill system is actually part of why I started playing. |
Daisai
The Riot Formation
Unclaimed.
64
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:01:00 -
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Zen Dijun wrote:Daisai wrote:This isnt a bad idea, i also been thinking of rewarding people who decide to dedicate some time and effort to this game.
Currently in the first few weeks of the game its almost pointless to play the game since you can hardly do anything.
However there is the problem ofc with players like the above who rather not see players who spend time and effort to get rewarded.
The comment saying the experience is the reward isnt true, thats not a reward. IF you don't believe experience is a reward in EVE, then you don't truly know this game. ;)
Lets the remove the need for isk then when you kill rats in null sec.
The reward is the experience isnt it ? While we are at it lets also remove the option to loot players wrecks.
Its not like you can loot experience.
Saying that experience is a reward when playing this game isnt a valid point. |
Thgil Goldcore
Advenus Classem
502
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:03:00 -
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You as a person is the one who 'levels up' as it where, not your character. |
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Aston Martin DB5
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:03:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
So it's acceptable to grind unless it involves SP? Why is that?
Fairness. Everyone in EVE gains the same amount of SP as everyone else no matter how much time they have to play.
True depending on their implants. This is similar to what i'm suggesting. What's the difference gaining isk doing pve/pvp content to aquire these implants. Why not add another layer by engaging in activities which provides bonuses to sp training. |
Aston Martin DB5
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:11:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Aston Martin DB5 wrote:Mag's wrote:No, I feel grinding for SP is unacceptable. You want that type of system, then go elsewhere. So it's acceptable to grind unless it involves SP? Why is that? Because SP isn't the be all and end all of Eve. It's only one part and works very well as it stands right now. Plus any type of system like this, is open for abuse. This is why it didn't last long the first time it was introduced early on in Eve's life. Also, there is only grind in Eve, if you want there to be grind in Eve. This promotes it and is wrong for that fact.
How is adding a small 250-500 points weekly/monthly a "be all and end all of eve." Is adding implants which are acquired through isk, do they share the same fate?
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:17:00 -
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This would mostly benefit the botters, so
no.
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Mangala Solaris for CSM 8 |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3311
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:18:00 -
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I've seen a LOT on these Forums in 3 years.......
But THIS is the worst idea absolutely ever.
I'm so stunned by it's badness I just cannot say anything at all.
America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between.
- Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
baltec1
Bat Country
4809
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:19:00 -
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Aston Martin DB5 wrote:Why not add another layer by engaging in activities which provides bonuses to sp training.
Because then people like me would be left behind in skill training with no option of keeping up and when we do play I dont want to have spend my limited time grinding SP. |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Fidelas Constans
122
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:20:00 -
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I want to play Eve Online,
NOT World of Warcraft :P
R.I.P. Vile Rat
[Proposal] Remove Skills for Plex |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3311
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:20:00 -
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Aston Martin DB5 wrote:Mag's wrote:Hell no. Grind is not acceptable. So you feel pvp is grinding or doing things that earn your character isk is as well? These are things all players engage in EVE. Why not reward them for doing it and give players more control of their characters' progression.
A Market alt or PI centric toon would earn nothing.....ever.
Bad idea is bad idea.
America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between.
- Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
344
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:22:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:hey guys guys i am like pretty rich now i don't even have to rat anymore but i still need to rat for sec status how about passive sec status regen?
You will soon(tm) be able to buy tags for security status (tags4sec, according to the minutes), how about that?
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Mangala Solaris for CSM 8 |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3311
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:22:00 -
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Daisai wrote:
The comment saying the experience is the reward isnt true, thats not a reward.
In life, the experience is the reward, for Gods Sake ! And after 3 years in EVE the same is true here.
Not really an intelligent thing you said there. At all. Are you from the human race ?
America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between.
- Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Aston Martin DB5
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:23:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:This would mostly benefit the botters, so
no.
PvP now has botters?
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