Hell no. Grind is not acceptable.

Hell no. Grind is not acceptable.

So you feel pvp is grinding or doing things that earn your character isk is as well? These are things all players engage in EVE. Why not reward them for doing it.

So you feel pvp is grinding or doing things that earn your character isk is as well? These are things all players engage in EVE. Why not reward them for doing it and give players more control of their characters' progression.

No, I feel grinding for SP is unacceptable. You want that type of system, then go elsewhere.

So it's acceptable to grind unless it involves SP? Why is that?

This isnt a bad idea, i also been thinking of rewarding people who decide to dedicate some time and effort to this game.
Currently in the first few weeks of the game its almost pointless to play the game since you can hardly do anything.

However there is the problem ofc with players like the above who rather not see players who spend time and effort to get rewarded.

The comment saying the experience is the reward isnt true, thats not a reward.

This isn't wow or any of the other kill ten rats gain experience rpgs. Let's keep what we have and let the others keep theirs.

So it's acceptable to grind unless it involves SP? Why is that?

hey guys guys i am like pretty rich now i don't even have to rat anymore but i still need to rat for sec status how about passive sec status regen?

IF you don't believe experience is a reward in EVE, then you don't truly know this game. ;)

Fairness.

Everyone in EVE gains the same amount of SP as everyone else no matter how much time they have to play.

Because SP isn't the be all and end all of Eve. It's only one part and works very well as it stands right now. Plus any type of system like this, is open for abuse. This is why it didn't last long the first time it was introduced early on in Eve's life.

Also, there is only grind in Eve, if you want there to be grind in Eve. This promotes it and is wrong for that fact.

Why not add another layer by engaging in activities which provides bonuses to sp training.

So you feel pvp is grinding or doing things that earn your character isk is as well? These are things all players engage in EVE. Why not reward them for doing it and give players more control of their characters' progression.

hey guys guys i am like pretty rich now i don't even have to rat anymore but i still need to rat for sec status how about passive sec status regen?

The comment saying the experience is the reward isnt true, thats not a reward.

This would mostly benefit the botters, so

no.

You will soon(tm) be able to buy tags for security status (tags4sec, according to the minutes), how about that?

How is adding a small 250-500 points weekly/monthly a "be all and end all of eve." Adding implants which are acquired through isk, do they share the same fate?

PvP now has botters?

A Market alt or PI centric toon would earn nothing.....ever.


Bad idea is bad idea.

You included PvE Combat in your original post. But I'm not surprised you 'forgot'.

PvP now has botters?

Market toon shouldn't be rewarded. Promoting people flying their spaceships and blowing stuff up should because they're engaging with other players in a "MMO."

Not saying making isk through the market is bad.

Market toon shouldn't be rewarded. Promoting people flying their spaceships and blowing stuff up should because they're engaging with other players in a "MMO."

Not saying making isk through the market is bad.

I did forget and it wasn't intentional. Maybe you forgot about the AI update.



PVP/PVE have botters?


^^
there ya go

Because it's something not open to all, whereas Implants are. Just because someone chooses not to invest in Implants, doesn't mean they cannot.
But many players cannot invest large quantities of game time, as real life messes with it.

Any system that require grind, becomes a burden to game play. The lack of grind in Eve, is why I've kept playing it for 9 years.

Why do you ignore the fact we had this once and it was abused. Do you honestly think it would be again?

System that requires grind? No new system is being implemented other than adding a bonus to things players enjoy in the game currently: blowing up ships.

Whilst I agree in principle that this wouldn't be a good thing for Eve, a certain other CCP game that ties into Eve does exactly this. (And I hope I'm not breaching NDA by saying that, this information is available freely in the forum subsection for this game).

If a system like this was to be considered, then it should be capped so that when a player reaches, say, 5m SP the extra SP acquisition stops. This would stop the mechanic being abused while at the same time giving new players a bit of a leg up, and wouldn't benefit older players at all.

Whilst I agree in principle that this wouldn't be a good thing for Eve, a certain other CCP game that ties into Eve does exactly this. (And I hope I'm not breaching NDA by saying that, this information is available freely in the forum subsection for this game).

If a system like this was to be considered, then it should be capped so that when a player reaches, say, 5m SP the extra SP acquisition stops. This would stop the mechanic being abused while at the same time giving new players a bit of a leg up, and wouldn't benefit older players at all.

This would also benefit CCP - their online player count would rise, and it might sway new players into staying if they feel that they can achieve a few extra ponts by actually playing.

hey guys guys i am like pretty rich now i don't even have to rat anymore but i still need to rat for sec status how about passive sec status regen?

Abused because maybe it was poorly implemented? Why are we throwing around "large quantities of game time" maybe blowing up 1 ship in a month just gained you 25 points to apply or something> ?

System that requires grind? No new system is being implemented other than adding a bonus to things players enjoy in the game currently: blowing up ships.

You as a person is the one who 'levels up' as it where, not your character.

I Still feel that all players should benefit because adding 25 - 500 points monthly shouldn't amount too much for a character with 40+ million sp's.

Market toon shouldn't be rewarded. Promoting people flying their spaceships and blowing stuff up should because they're engaging with other players in a "MMO."

Not saying making isk through the market is bad.

Not sure if this topic has been discussed before but I was wondering how the community felt on improving the current skill training process.

Currently adding things to queue is quite bland if you ask me. Why not implement a system which rewards players for doing activities while online such as pvp combat, pve combat, etc.

How the player could be rewarded is a SP bar which players earn doing certain activities and at the end of each week/month players can spend these points on skills they like. Now obviously it wouldn't amount to 1million being applied weekly or monthly but maybe a max of 500 points.

Not only would this benefit current players but it would definitely help new players as well feel as if their character is progressing in a meaningful way.

No flaming and please provide constructive feedback as to why or why not this would help/hurt current game mechanics.

So you want an amount of sp added (through some kind of activity) that is small enough to make no real difference?
Then we could as well not have that system since it makes little or no difference.

I believe enough arguments have been presented against sp gain that would make a difference.

No.

First it would reward the people who can play the longest, the casual gamers get shafted.

Second, the reward for doing activities is isk, the activity itself, something that will net you isk or all three.

No.

I know I said no twice but I feel it is such an important thing to say it justtified saying it twice.

Abused because maybe it was poorly implemented? Why are we throwing around "large quantities of game time" maybe blowing up 1 ship in a month just gained you 25 points to apply or something> ?

System that requires grind? No new system is being implemented other than adding a bonus to things players enjoy in the game currently: blowing up ships.

Whilst I agree in principle that this wouldn't be a good thing for Eve, a certain other CCP game that ties into Eve does exactly this. (And I hope I'm not breaching NDA by saying that, this information is available freely in the forum subsection for this game).

If a system like this was to be considered, then it should be capped so that when a player reaches, say, 5m SP the extra SP acquisition stops. This would stop the mechanic being abused while at the same time giving new players a bit of a leg up, and wouldn't benefit older players at all.

This would also benefit CCP - their online player count would rise, and it might sway new players into staying if they feel that they can achieve a few extra ponts by actually playing.

You've just limited it to new players for some odd reason...

SP for Aurum pls.

Not sure if this topic has been discussed before but I was wondering how the community felt on improving the current skill training process.

Currently adding things to queue is quite bland if you ask me. Why not implement a system which rewards players for doing activities while online such as pvp combat, pve combat, etc.

How the player could be rewarded is a SP bar which players earn doing certain activities and at the end of each week/month players can spend these points on skills they like. Now obviously it wouldn't amount to 1million being applied weekly or monthly but maybe a max of 500 points.

Not only would this benefit current players but it would definitely help new players as well feel as if their character is progressing in a meaningful way.

No flaming and please provide constructive feedback as to why or why not this would help/hurt current game mechanics.

Quite possibly the only suggestion that is worse than SP griding.

Not sure if this topic has been discussed before but I was wondering how the community felt on improving the current skill training process.

Currently adding things to queue is quite bland if you ask me. Why not implement a system which rewards players for doing activities while online such as pvp combat, pve combat, etc.

How the player could be rewarded is a SP bar which players earn doing certain activities and at the end of each week/month players can spend these points on skills they like. Now obviously it wouldn't amount to 1million being applied weekly or monthly but maybe a max of 500 points.

Not only would this benefit current players but it would definitely help new players as well feel as if their character is progressing in a meaningful way.

No flaming and please provide constructive feedback as to why or why not this would help/hurt current game mechanics.

Ya think?

I Still feel that all players should benefit because adding 25 - 500 points monthly shouldn't amount too much for a character with 40+ million sp's.

Hell no. Grind is not acceptable.

Edit: Also a system such as this was in Eve early on. It was removed because it was abused.

And then added right back into DUST.

So it's acceptable to grind unless it involves SP? Why is that?

This isnt a bad idea, i also been thinking of rewarding people who decide to dedicate some time and effort to this game.
Currently in the first few weeks of the game its almost pointless to play the game since you can hardly do anything.

However there is the problem ofc with players like the above who rather not see players who spend time and effort to get rewarded.

The comment saying the experience is the reward isnt true, thats not a reward.

Currently adding things to queue is quite bland if you ask me. Why not implement a system which rewards players for doing activities while online such as pvp combat, pve combat, etc.