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Takrolimus
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Posted - 2005.06.30 00:52:00 -
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We the Undersigned note the following:
- We recognize that the final plans are being finetuned by several galactic conglomerates for the production of Capital-Class Dreadnaught Ships
- Furthermore we recognize that these ships are designed for their pure might in destroying the largest ships and structures of other podpilot corporations.
- Finally we recognize that there will be many pod pilots who will feel the need to use their ill gotten gains to obtain a dreadnaught and use it not against other pod pilots but wastefully against terriatorial pirates..or even worse targets assigned to them by their agents.
We Therefore Agree That, regardless of any animosity or friendship between our corps, If ANY of us locate a pilot using a dreadnaught for anything but its proper use, we will provide the name, location and corp of that pilot to all other signing parties, so that Concord sanctioned Empire Wars may be issued and righteous pwnage be brought forthwith.
To Summarize: Sign this if you agree to destroy ANYONE who uses Dreads to PvE.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.06.30 00:56:00 -
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Who told you about my siikrit plan? =I
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2005.06.30 01:00:00 -
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Yep, sure why not.
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Cosmic Dragon
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Posted - 2005.06.30 01:05:00 -
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Hmmmm well personally i think this is a bad idea mainly because 99% of the eve comunity dont care what people use dreads for 
If dreads were not meant for PvE then the devs will see to it they are not able to but if people can somehow use them on missions then logic dictates that the developers dont mind how they are used 
Personally i dont want a dreadnought id rather have a freighter and kill some trade runs
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.06.30 01:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Cosmic Dragon
Hmmmm well personally i think this is a bad idea mainly because 99% of the eve comunity dont care what people use dreads for
No kill them all. Must war dec dreadnought useing mission runners!!!!!!
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Moridan
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Posted - 2005.06.30 01:08:00 -
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Dreads will probably be so expensive, if anyone is known to have em, corps will be lining up to war-dec the owners just to get to blow up their shiny isk-sink.
"Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
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Cosmic Dragon
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Posted - 2005.06.30 01:13:00 -
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To be honest do you really think thee will be that many mission running dreadnoughts 
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Dark SilverMKII
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Posted - 2005.06.30 01:32:00 -
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War dec on missions runners using dreadnaughts eh? what happens when they go back to their noob corp???
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2005.06.30 01:45:00 -
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Rofl. Class
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kessah
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Posted - 2005.06.30 01:48:00 -
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Agreed totaly has to be done, if they wana play solo missions go play a single player game!!
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Azaeren
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Posted - 2005.06.30 01:51:00 -
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DEATH TO SWA!!!!
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benwallace
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Posted - 2005.06.30 01:53:00 -
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Signed
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.30 02:38:00 -
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Nooo I'll fight you all!
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Bleakheart
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Posted - 2005.06.30 02:42:00 -
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Where is Rens again? :P
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pardux
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Posted - 2005.06.30 03:10:00 -
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\o/ /me is going to do lvl4's in a dreadnaught 
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.06.30 03:21:00 -
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Do any of you honestly think that a Dreadnaught will be able to hit a frigate in a lvl 4 complex?
I wouldn't war deck a Dreadnaught I saw sitting in a lvl 4 spending hours trying to shoot a frigate. I'd sit there and laugh.
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Velic
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Posted - 2005.06.30 03:40:00 -
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Ive got a better idea. lets greif their useage right out of the whole game yup yup. HATE CHANGE!
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.06.30 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Do any of you honestly think that a Dreadnaught will be able to hit a frigate in a lvl 4 complex?
I wouldn't war deck a Dreadnaught I saw sitting in a lvl 4 spending hours trying to shoot a frigate. I'd sit there and laugh.
It'll prolly come with an xxxxxxl smartbomb
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Im behind the OP (hopefully about 255km behind)
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.06.30 05:04:00 -
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Doubtful. The Devs want Dreads to be BS killers and the spearhead of an attack fleet. I doubt they'll give them a win button versus cruisers and frigs.
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Matrix Aran
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Posted - 2005.06.30 05:18:00 -
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/signed
Dreads should NEVER be even allowed near an asteroid belt much less an agent.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.06.30 05:25:00 -
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But but but what about our XL Modular Stripminer IIs... how are we gonna mine veld out in 0.0?
j/k /signed
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.06.30 05:46:00 -
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Edited by: keepiru on 30/06/2005 05:47:18
Hrm. While we all agree that Dreads shouldnt be the next BS or well all be waiting for the next bigger ship to come out in half a year, there are some things to consider:
If the Devs dont want them to be used in PvE, they will make it so they cant be used.
Locking all mission gates so they dont accept capital ship isnt very hard.
Let alone how hard it will be to hit anything smaller than a BS in them. By their very nature dreads need escorts to take care of cruisers and frigates, and thus encourage group play.
If anyone decides to PvE in them, i doubt theyll be doing them solo. And if theyre doing it in a group, theyre doing what an MMO is supposed to be about and in that case, neither you nor anyone else has the right to tell them how to play the game, or harass them because they dont play the way you like it.
If they can be used, they will be used, and there aint jack **** that you, me, my dog, and every pvp corp out there can do about it in the end. Face it. You cant kill every mission-runner out there who wants a dread. There's too bleedin' many of them.
Having said, I do wish that dreads have little-to-no use for pve. Trouble is, apart from locking mission gates and making only 10/10 complexes accept them, there is no other way to stop them from having some ability at PvE, bar rendering them unusable for PvP, and turning them into completely dedicated POS wreckers - which is what they were supposed to be, iirc.
The moment they are middling to good at killing battleships - and thus fleet pvp - they become valuable in a PvE context, because of their high defense. Im afraid you cant have one without the other.
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.06.30 05:58:00 -
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I couldn't have said it better keepiru, I 100% agree. If the Dreads aren't supposed to be for PVP, the Devs will simply limit their abilities versus small ships, and no Dreadnaught will be able to solo a lvl 4 complex. Let Dreads fit Nos so they can't be tackled forever by a frig, but as long as they can't fit effectively to kill small ships, you won't be seeing them used in PVP except to kill small groups of ships.
It seems the Dreads only have a few high slots, but the means to fit some very powerful weapons in those slots. Any Dread pilot that swaps out his 3 XL Gigapulse to fit a couple frigate modules so he can kill Guristas Webifiers will quickly realize that his battleship can do the job much more effectively.
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Remmington Daniels
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Posted - 2005.06.30 06:12:00 -
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signed!
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.06.30 08:44:00 -
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Signed.
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2005.06.30 08:47:00 -
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I'll have to sign this aswell, need to change corp first though :)
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.06.30 08:48:00 -
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I dont care if dreads are able to solo lvl 4 's or not. Seeing they have a dronebay says enough about that tbh, but lets not debate that.
If they show up in lvl 4's at all tho, I will support this initiative just to correct CCP's error of judgement in that case.
Some things arent meant for the masses. Dreadnoughts are one of those.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.06.30 08:59:00 -
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im gona npc with a dread till it's so uber it can tank 5 other dreads with l33t xl mods then come after jo for this thread.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.06.30 09:01:00 -
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signed
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Maxine Stirner
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Posted - 2005.06.30 09:08:00 -
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If you won't also wardec BS-using solo mission runners also, then I cannot sign on on ethical grounds.
I see nothing improper about interdependent, or group PvE action. At least the targets don't safespot. People that haven't been playing for 2 years, or who aren't willing to use cheap tactics, in order to play at all also need some sort of group content on which to practice and/or fund the efforts of other projects.
The people who really deserve to be upbraided are those who claim to be PvPers, but also avoid all the kinds of PvP they don't care for as much as possible. These are the true hypocrites.
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