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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.06.30 19:55:00 -
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By my calculations each Dread will cost on market something around:
From 6Bil to 8bil.
Not counting the skills needed that will at least put a break in "Dreads for all" issue.
But i leave an advice, if money sinks are not put ingame to stop it, it will soonTM be avaiable to all and then all BS will be like cruisers or BC.
If you have another extimate cost post here.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.06.30 20:02:00 -
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I say 10000 hams++ or something funky involving the golden ratio between hams and veld.
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Darkrydar
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Posted - 2005.06.30 20:04:00 -
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What numbers did you use to get your estimates?
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DarkMatters
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Posted - 2005.06.30 20:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Aelius
By my calculations each Dread will cost on market something around:
From 6Bil to 8bil.
Not counting the skills needed that will at least put a break in "Dreads for all" issue.
But i leave an advice, if money sinks are not put ingame to stop it, it will soonTM be avaiable to all and then all BS will be like cruisers or BC.
If you have another extimate cost post here.
what calculations?
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Jane Bunny
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Posted - 2005.06.30 20:06:00 -
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Following the tech 1 module pricing I would say 1 billion base cost.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.06.30 20:08:00 -
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Not that I've seen any stats .. but a lot of people seem confident that a bs or two will own a dreadnought. Aren't they going to be POS killers, rather than battlefield operatives?
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.06.30 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 30/06/2005 20:13:53
This is a more "throw numbers at the air and see who wins" contest.
My calculations are only based in the fact that CCP wants to limit the use of this type of ships.
Only with numbers like that they will achieve that somehow. But they need to be carefull with the insurance.
If i was the insurance company in EVE there was no way i would insure the "first target" in a fleet battle. 
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.06.30 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Not that I've seen any stats .. but a lot of people seem confident that a bs or two will own a dreadnought. Aren't they going to be POS killers, rather than battlefield operatives?
<--- clueless combat pilot.
humm perhaps tech2 BS can do that, but no way with the current ones. The dread had too many HPs, cap and firepower to be owned like that.
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Reptar
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Posted - 2005.06.30 20:14:00 -
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3bill build, 40-50bill bpo cost?
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.06.30 20:18:00 -
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Id hope its something more like 10bil build, uninsurable, BPCs only avail from empire COSMOS complex drops. ie you have to raid the gallente fleet hq to obtain the BPC. Obviously your standing would be shot to hell with them after but you'd have the dread bpc to show for it. I really cant see empires selling BPOs of their biggest ships on the open market. If they were gonna do that ... might as well put navy ship bpos on the market first :P.
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Tokka Konnair
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Posted - 2005.06.30 20:19:00 -
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oooh a guessing game!!
what fun
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Dufas
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Posted - 2005.06.30 20:20:00 -
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your getting dreads and titans confused...dev already stated dreads are t1 and the bp will be sold on the market like the Large barge bp and cost a bit more...titans will cost billions per ship not the dread...unless they changed things 
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Brainyblonde
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Posted - 2005.06.30 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Brainyblonde on 30/06/2005 20:27:01
i guess 2 bill for dread and 20 bill for titan.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.06.30 20:39:00 -
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hey Dufas, nice sig! And it is imune to the profanity filter also 
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2005.06.30 20:44:00 -
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When things are this expensive, more money has to be generated as EVERYONE will want to jump in one. But guess what, with NPC's givign them out, there will suddenly be laods of them. With only some people being able to afford them, Dreads will have to come down in price. otherwise it won't be profitable to build them, sell them, gather the mins ect.
Look at cruisers. Cruisers are between 5 and 10mil.
Battleships are 100mil, therefore dreads can only be 1bil.
Apologies if none of that made any sense
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Tobias Raddick
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Posted - 2005.06.30 20:44:00 -
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I think the 1 - 1.5 billion mark is the most accurate. Of course CCP want them to be achievable by solo players as a reason to continue playing; that urge to own something new and spiffeh, and lets face it, with the changes to missiles, a solo agent-running empire player isn't likely to get 10 billion isk any time soon. Besides, what's the point in making a ship to destroy 400m of POS cost more than three times as much? That seems somewhat... disingenious to me. I for one hope that they're cheap and available... and limited to a mainly anti-POS role.
PS - wouldn't it be a good iddea to limit dreads to L and XL weapons, considering that historically, Dreadnoughts were 'All Big Gun' battleships?
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2005.06.30 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: mirel yirrin
When things are this expensive, more money has to be generated as EVERYONE will want to jump in one. But guess what, with NPC's givign them out, there will suddenly be laods of them. With only some people being able to afford them, Dreads will have to come down in price. otherwise it won't be profitable to build them, sell them, gather the mins ect.
Look at cruisers. Cruisers are between 5 and 10mil.
Battleships are 100mil, therefore dreads can only be 1bil.
Apologies if none of that made any sense
Everyone wont be interested in Dreads. Battleships are boring enough, now imagine something thats a third as fast, has the agility of a pregnant whale in a swimming pool and can only shoot at BS and POS.
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Chade Malloy
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Posted - 2005.07.01 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: Chade Malloy on 01/07/2005 02:28:17
hm, if a dread costs around 2-2.5 Bil in minerals alone, it could be a nice isk sink if insurance for it is a) inexistent or b) heavly nerfed (only 60& back at platinum)
The rich and ultra-rich people, who are prolly pretty bored atm cause they have nearly everything, will want such a new ship, whose roll in battle is still uncertain.
But if a dread cant jump out of battle...and can be killed with about 10 BS...
I see many dead dreads along the road...
Actually, iŠm far more interested in the production costs for freighters, cause they donŠt require those massive skills and are imho far more useful than a drad
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Rawne Karrde
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Posted - 2005.07.01 02:54:00 -
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from what i've read i'd say the 1.5 - 2 bil range. with the bpo 10+ bil. I seriously think the sheer amount of minerals they will need will help keep them in check, its jsut nutz either that or mineral prices are about to hit the clouds.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.07.01 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Chade Malloy
Edited by: Chade Malloy on 01/07/2005 02:28:17
hm, if a dread costs around 2-2.5 Bil in minerals alone, it could be a nice isk sink if insurance for it is a) inexistent or b) heavly nerfed (only 60& back at platinum)
The rich and ultra-rich people, who are prolly pretty bored atm cause they have nearly everything, will want such a new ship, whose roll in battle is still uncertain.
But if a dread cant jump out of battle...and can be killed with about 10 BS...
I see many dead dreads along the road...
Actually, iŠm far more interested in the production costs for freighters, cause they donŠt require those massive skills and are imho far more useful than a drad
your forgetting 1 small detail the new XL guns
only dreads can fit the XL guns but they are useless for hitting ANYTHING but POS when fitted with the XL guns you can downgradre to L guns (BS modules) but then you "only" have the damage output that a BS have and a good tank can then tank the Damage output from the Dread and 2-3 BS will be able to kill it
the dreads are NOT suppose to be anti BS weapons after all I heard so far they are suppose to be anti POS weapons
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uh no
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Posted - 2005.07.01 03:15:00 -
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After weighing all the info we have I have come up with this number as the cost 1000000000000000000000000000
This is based on me hitting the "1" key and then holding down the zero key till i got tired of watching zeros appear.
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Rivek
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Posted - 2005.07.01 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: uh no
After weighing all the info we have I have come up with this number as the cost 1000000000000000000000000000
This is based on me hitting the "1" key and then holding down the zero key till i got tired of watching zeros appear.
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Booky
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Posted - 2005.07.01 04:28:00 -
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Dreads can and will be anti BS weapons. Anyone who thinks otherwise is missing the information from sisi. When a Dread goes into siege mode, the story changes to POS only. FYI, the Dreads were hitting Battleships for 8k dmg per hit on sisi. I don't think they will stay that strong agaisnt them, but I highly doubt that they will be ineffective against them. I suspect that a single dread will be able to hand 10 battleships if the battleships show up without Frig and Cruiser support.
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Wicke
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Posted - 2005.07.01 05:57:00 -
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I wager eleventy-billion Alex.
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LukAsh
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Posted - 2005.07.01 06:56:00 -
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If they will be in-line with current prices of t1 class ships it will be bout 1,2B for a dread and 10B for its bpo.
If not... well Im waiting for a nice surprise
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Trinelise
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Posted - 2005.07.01 07:36:00 -
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Edited by: Trinelise on 01/07/2005 07:36:52
Originally by: Chade Malloy
Edited by: Chade Malloy on 01/07/2005 02:28:17
hm, if a dread costs around 2-2.5 Bil in minerals alone, it could be a nice isk sink if insurance for it is a) inexistent or b) heavly nerfed (only 60& back at platinum)
You are talking about a mineral sink. Every ship built puts isks into the game because of the insurance. Revoming the insuarnce will not take isk out of the game , just make it change hands.
I am guessing 2 bill , it should be affordable so the market will be big enough for people to invest in the BPOs.
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sutty
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Posted - 2005.07.01 07:58:00 -
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I dont agree about the dreadnaught been the first target. Think of it this way the Dread is a tank, 20 bs start firing on the dread it starts soaking up the damage, in the mean time the dreads escourts *****your battleships.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.07.01 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: sutty
I dont agree about the dreadnaught been the first target. Think of it this way the Dread is a tank, 20 bs start firing on the dread it starts soaking up the damage, in the mean time the dreads escourts *****your battleships.
Na, the Dread itselfs decides that you're a buncha annoying gnats and start firing on you. Twenty volleys later, the 20 bs are destroyed.
I think they have more to fear from assault cruisers :|
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.07.01 08:09:00 -
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I made some calculations some time ago and based on how price and mineral cost ramps up from frigates to cruisers to battleships, I would say it was around 1.5-1.7x factor. If best cruiser, Thorax costs ~7mil, then next level BS costs 10x of it, Dominix ~70mil. When next BS costs 2x of previous ~140mil Mega. Based on this, Dread COULD cost around 1.4bil and require 10x minerals what tier 2 BS now needs.
This was based on Tech1 ramping and skill need. Currently they need much more so I think it could be more than 10x fold from tier 2 BS.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2005.07.01 08:27:00 -
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After being involved in killing one on sisi i think they should cost 10mil, it took awhile for 60+ bs to kill one
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