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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
1221
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:52:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Remembering that EVE is primarily a PvP game, and that all PvE takes place in that context, my suggestion to you is that you get right back into whatever it was you were doing: start with a smaller ship, build up your income stream again. Read the Making ISK guide so you don't end up with only 1B ISK of assets after 5 years of playing. What happened to you is a classic trap for new players: ninja looters will head into your mission, steal your loot, go blinky to you, wait for you to shoot them (which gives them permission to shoot back) then reship into a combat vessel and blow you up. This scenario is almost as old as EVE itself. So now you know about it, you have the information you need to not be caught by this trap again. Remember that next time someone goes blinky to you in a mission space, the right thing to do is dock up and log out. Losing your favourite mission-running ship can be a huge emotional blow. You really need to get back on that horse and keep riding. Don't let the loss get you down: learn from this experience and move on. If you have a fleet of friends running missions with you, you'll find it's easy to get back into the rhythm.
This is the best advice. |
Mister S Burke
LUNA INDUSTRIES
54
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:56:00 -
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This is a good thing, I mean it. You are free. 5 years is too long to date a supermodel let alone play the SAME game. He did you a favor, I mean that. |
Flakey Foont
212
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:59:00 -
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It would appear you have drawn your own conclusions about what the game was and what it is now. High-sec was never meant to be Trammel. Your having played 5 years is suspect.
I have a question as well. Why do folks who quit want to tell everyone? Tell CCP. I don't lose a dime or any sleep for that matter.
I have never thought of the game as PVE or PVP. It is EVE. Not everything has to be divided into two parcels. |
Lord Ryan
Donkey Hats
789
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:05:00 -
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Doesn't matter if your right or wrong. This will be locked and you'll be banned. Join me for a game of GT 5?
Do not assume-įanything above this line-įwas typed by me.
Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
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Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1833
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:07:00 -
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Spawne32 wrote:silens vesica wrote:Spawne32 wrote:No More Heroes wrote:It took you 5 years to carebear up a faction fit scorp? i play like 3-4 hours a week, if that, not to mention taking a year break over 2011 Clearly, you should have left long ago. Don't get it twisted, i enjoyed the game, but when you are paying a monthly subscription to enjoy a game, and that game turns into WORK, the fun goes out the window. I realize that everyone has the concept of dont fly what you can afford to lose, or that losing ships is somehow the awesome fun of the game, but you dont see me out there crashing my car into a telephone pole do you?
Even after playing for 5 years you don't know what canflipping is and/or how aggro mechanics works? also the new flagging system is so much simpler fyi, in case you're again trying to blame CCP for your ignorance. Then you go and shoot someone, with a navy scorp, under realization that you're flying a pve ship that you can't afford to lose (if you could you'd probably won't be fussing about this anyway) right into a pvp scenario and go (almost) ragequit for losing the fight. That's basically it right?
Also no, you're missing the point as to "fly what you can afford to lose" part, it's not about losing ships being awesome, it's about being smart with your assets. In your case, you're the one who just crashed your "car" into a pole. You ignored how the game works, didn't even bother to learn how things work in the past 5 years of playing, then complained to public forums, expecting what? a pat in the back for losing stuff? and no, you're not the only one who has a job and do 50-90 hrs or more work per week, have kids, etc. (I seriously don't understand why people kept bringing this up as a part of an argumentation) There are many people whose in the same situation as you, probably even have less time to spend in game and they dealt with these stuff just fine.
So, again, no. Blame yourself for what happened. Learn from it, and try to enjoy the game, and if you still can't than perhaps, Eve is just not the game for you.
"I'd rather have other players-įget shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave |
John Caligan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:10:00 -
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I barely play at all. But ya know what? There's an important thing to remember about EVE: YOU SHOULD ALWAYS ASSUME EVERYONE IN-SYSTEM IS OUT FOR YOUR HEAD ON THEIR MANTLEPIECE. Even hisec isn't safe these days. The only way to be safe is to always be aligned to a station if you're flying something larger than a Destroyer. If your mission-running and someone else warps in, they're probably a ganker. If you're mining and someone warps in with anything other than a mining ship, get outta dodge, and if they ARE in a mining ship, be wary, it could mean smartbombs. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1657
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:11:00 -
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"I invited someone to my corp."
"he blew up my freighterr"
"I'm going to say a bunch of nonsesne about how high sec is the PvE space for CASUALS"
Someone change this guys diaper and get him a ninny, the adults are trying to play a game. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
2979
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:12:00 -
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FWIW, I once lost a CNR (back when they were CNRs, not RNIs) and went through all of this myself. I lost the ship to a crash-to-desktop after having gained full room aggro. If i hadn't crashed, I'd probably have kept the ship.
I experienced the classic five stages of grieving: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance. I logged out and back in a few times, just in case there was something wrong with the game. I fumed and steamed for a while, blaming my computer, CCP, anything and everything else except myself (even expressing my anger to the point of banging my pots and pans around as I unpacked the dishwasher, a classic temper tantrum). I begged the GMs to reimburse my ship. I went into a black funk for a week, almost in tears when I wanted to log into EVE each night (yes really).
Then I reminded myself that it's just a game, and the game is based on blowing stuff up. My stuff got blown up (and I was sad that it wasn't blown up by a player, 'cos then at least I'd be able to claim PvP experience), and now I had the opportunity to get more stuff: I was in an advantageous position since I had standings with agents, I had good ship piloting skills, and I knew how most of the missions worked. So I bought a Caracal, ran some L3 missions, upgraded to a Drake, got back into L4 missions, and now my missioning fleet consists of Rattlesnake, Dominix, Tengu, Oracle, etc. I have plenty of options and a decent ISK flow because I didn't let the loss of my favourite ship keep me down.
Might I suggest that you start a PvP alt and get into Faction Warfare? The best way to get over the emotional shock of losing ships is (oddly enough) to lose more ships. You'll get to realise that losing ships is part of life. It still stings when it happens, but you know that it happens, you are prepared that it will happen to you, and you enjoy the time that it's not happening to you so much more 
Your first ship loss is the hardest to cope with. That it took you 5 years to get to this point just makes this first loss that much more painful, because you've fallen into thinking that you're "safe" when running missions in hisec. You'll get over it, and you'll enjoy the game more for having experienced this. You'll be aware that you're not "safe" in hisec so much as "not being shot at right now" .
Anyhow, that's enough of my babbling for one thread.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Prince Mammon
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:16:00 -
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The guy came to the forums to express himself about something that happened to him in-game.
Quick, everyone smack talk him and put him down for casualy playing Eve and not spending all his waking life on it. 
To OP: Man Eve is a harsh place. I'm sorry to see someone leave over a loot thieving ganker. As a few of the constructive people have said, take it as a learning expereince. I know it's a pain to start over from scratch, and you feel really disheartened over a loss such as this, but giving up just lets the horrid people in this game feel like they won something.
I wish you the best of luck sir in whatever you do. :)
BTW ISD, 90% of the posts in this thread are nothing but insults and trolls, yet none are removed/warned/banned. That's some fine mod work there.
CCP Gargant: "a total blanket no-tolerance policy was enacted on accusing the ISD of misbehaving"
Who else said there people couldn't be accused of misbehaving?
Nothing to see here, move along. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3343
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:17:00 -
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Flakey Foont wrote:
I have never thought of the game as PVE or PVP. It is EVE. Not everything has to be divided into two parcels.
EVE would benefit greatly with a lot more of this attitude.
America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between.
- Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
79
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:17:00 -
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As you would expect. I agree with the OP. The RL 'Smash and Grab' has been around for thousands of years, but why would CCP encourage it in this game? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3343
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:20:00 -
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Prince Mammon wrote:BTW ISD, 90% of the posts in this thread are nothing but insults and trolls, yet none are removed/warned/banned. That's some fine mod work there.
No.
I'm a 'high sec carebear' to a certain degree with 3 years of playing, but this 5 year dude's OP takes the cake, really.
America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between.
- Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Grenduk
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:21:00 -
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I've come to a realization.
If you dont crave pvp and want it all the time, you should quit this game. The game is for pvp, thats it. Anything else exists just to facilitate and service pvp. All mechanics in the game are designed to provide variety to the pvpers.
Mining, industry, and PVE exist only to create an artificial value to pvp loss, thus giving pvp "meaning".
The sooner you accept it, you'll be happier in game and out (even if that means playing another game). |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
432
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:22:00 -
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Prince Mammon wrote:Quick, everyone smack talk him and put him down for casualy playing Eve and not spending all his waking life on it.
This is EVE-O GD. You appear to be a bit somewhat unclear on the concept.
Hell, even the OP anticipated a thorough smacking around.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
79
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:23:00 -
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Flakey Foont wrote:
I have a question as well. Why do folks who quit want to tell everyone? Tell CCP. I don't lose a dime or any sleep for that matter.
Unfortunately, some people still believe that the forums are a way to pass messages to CCP. Geez. I don't even remember where that concept came from. |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
79
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:25:00 -
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Grenduk wrote:I've come to a realization.
If you dont crave pvp and want it all the time, you should quit this game. The game is for pvp, thats it. Anything else exists just to facilitate and service pvp. All mechanics in the game are designed to provide variety to the pvpers.
Mining, industry, and PVE exist only to create an artificial value to pvp loss, thus giving pvp "meaning".
The sooner you accept it, you'll be happier in game and out (even if that means playing another game).
O.o
This is a series of the silliest statements I have ever heard.
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Wescro
Tash-Murkon Amalgamated Security
180
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:25:00 -
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Spawne32 can I have your stuff now that you are quitting? I promise to take the fight to the big bad hardcore players who ruined everyones EVE.
This thread is awful and it should be locked. |
Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
1
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:26:00 -
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So even after 5 years you STILL don't understand that you're NEVER save in Eve, even in high sec...just like in real life. And that's what makes EVE great imo. No cushy "oh I'm dead, I have to wait 20sec to respawn" nonsense. The chance of losing everything is a big draw, something that makes Eve special imo.
PS: Getting ganked in high sec isn't a "loophole"... |
Pookie McPook
The Whiskers of Kurvi-Tasch
23
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:30:00 -
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You'd think after 5 years you'd know that if this left you a little short of ISK then sell a couple of PLEX and bingo you're back in the game a little wiser and hopefully more able to deal with gank tactics. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
432
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:30:00 -
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Wescro wrote:Spawne32 can I have your stuff now that you are quitting? I promise to take the fight to the big bad hardcore players who ruined everyones EVE.
Didn't ya hear? It all went up in a space-fire. 
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
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Solstice Project
T E R R O R I S T S
2636
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:36:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:Grenduk wrote:I've come to a realization.
If you dont crave pvp and want it all the time, you should quit this game. The game is for pvp, thats it. Anything else exists just to facilitate and service pvp. All mechanics in the game are designed to provide variety to the pvpers.
Mining, industry, and PVE exist only to create an artificial value to pvp loss, thus giving pvp "meaning".
The sooner you accept it, you'll be happier in game and out (even if that means playing another game). O.o This is a series of the silliest statements I have ever heard. And yet he's closer to the actual reality of the game than you ever will be.
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
783
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:48:00 -
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Navy Scorpion IS A BAD FIT.
There is no way to fit the hull correctly... its a bad ship.
Finally... sell your character on the Bazaar and go back to flying the easier missions you had fun doing. You won't have to pay for EVE and you'll half fun 3-4 hours a week.
CCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC. |
Phil Da Agony
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2013.01.22 22:57:00 -
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AWwwwwwww man even after the implementation of a traffic light into every internet spaceship u got raped like that?
Is not like you should quit, is more like you dont deserve to play this magnificient game. |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
236
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Posted - 2013.01.22 23:04:00 -
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Griefing, scamming, and abusing rules has become harder every single year since I started in '05.
I think you're just mad about being an idiot and flying high value cargo in a paper thin ship, with predictable results. |
Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.01.22 23:19:00 -
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His eve cherry just poped
Now you know what loss is, go make some else have a bad day too 
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Luna Q
Rep-X
Hashashin Cartel
411
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Posted - 2013.01.22 23:24:00 -
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You now have a better understanding of how this game works, than you did before the lose. You should be thankful for the knowledge that has been dropped on you.
Luna |
Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
253
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Posted - 2013.01.22 23:28:00 -
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I thought ninja salvaging was dead?
"Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk
Be careful what you wish for. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
2103
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Posted - 2013.01.22 23:33:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:Grenduk wrote:I've come to a realization.
If you dont crave pvp and want it all the time, you should quit this game. The game is for pvp, thats it. Anything else exists just to facilitate and service pvp. All mechanics in the game are designed to provide variety to the pvpers.
Mining, industry, and PVE exist only to create an artificial value to pvp loss, thus giving pvp "meaning".
The sooner you accept it, you'll be happier in game and out (even if that means playing another game). O.o This is a series of the silliest statements I have ever heard. And yet he's closer to the actual reality of the game than you ever will be.
Yup it's true.
I'm mostly a carebear but not because I dislike PVP but because I take my money earning casually. I'll play around with PVE set ups and try different ships in different places and I end up spending a lot of my earned ISK on that. But if time and money warrant it then I'll occasionally go roam out in low on my own, maybe run into some people, and inevitably die :D
If I did anything else then what is the ISK I earn for? Oh yay, you have the best missioning battleship evar, now what? Even if you could get into a titan and completely avoid PVP all along the way....what would the point of the titan be?
As for the OP it's obvious that he shot at a ninja salvager that he shouldn't have in the first place and got pwned. I think the fact that a Dirt Nap Squad guy helped is probably our clue. But still, in the end only one guy was on your KM so if anything the other guys were doing logi and all is legit...
The Drake is a Lie |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.01.22 23:37:00 -
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Ive just got to say,,,, HAHAHA it took you 5 years to come up with that badly fitted Navy Scorpion!?
The one truely astounding thing I find about this is that you managed to stay in your bubble for so long, cleary the high sec mechanics do need changing, but for the opposite reasons than what you are suggesting. |
Costanza ReactionFace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.01.22 23:48:00 -
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10/10
5 pages and this is the first mention of 'well played troll'. |
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