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Spawne32 Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo 8	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:13:00 - [1] - Quote First off, let me say that I full well expect this post to be flamed like crazy from the vast majority of eve players, but I feel it is important to the future of the game to get out my reason's for leaving eve. I have always been a huge fan of the concept of game play that eve has, a massive MMO environment that allows for every aspect of play style you can possibly imagine, it is part of the reason that eve has been so successful for so long, where as other MMO's will die out after a few years. The new integration which allows dust ps3 players to play with eve pc players is beyond measure the greatest leap we have seen in the past 20 years to games in general. However all of this greatness is not without some measure of inherent problems not only with the game itself, but the overall mentality of its players, and its designers. When I first started playing eve back in 2008, it was a game that made you heavily invested into character development and gameplay. There was always a clear progression of when you would move from PVE game mechanics and become skilled enough to enter into PVP mechanics, and that time table and how and where to play was very easily discernible for most players, but in recent years this line has become blurred. This comes at a very great expense I feel to players that are not as invested in the game as others. I've often complained countless times over the past 2 years that gameplay mechanics have changed for the worse, the play style that is often talked about in eve advertisement videos about the sandbox and null sec has intruded itself heavily into high sec (PVE play) space. An area of play that is supposed to be reserved for those with a much more casual style of play, or so we were led to believe so many years ago. Which had allowed eve to accommodate many different types of players, not just that hardcore gamer. As of a few days ago, my entire 5 years worth of casual game play was destroyed in 20 minutes in a .9 system due to what i would refer to as an exploit in the flawed mechanics of high sec. I'm not even going to get into details about how or why because there isn't enough available characters to explain it, but myself and those of my corporation that I played with were beyond confused when the event unfolded. I find it incredibly sad to see the way this game is changing. Common things that we argue about here all the time, such as griefers, exploits, ganking, etc have all become common place, and heavily endorsed by CCP even though they don't directly say it, the changes in game mechanics clearly support players that invest their time terrorizing the casual players using whatever flaws in the system they can find. Or in this case we can call them "loopholes" in the laws of the game universe. I think when it all comes down to it, it truly spiraled out of control though when CCP endorsed alternate accounts. This was a clear message to players that not only could you use these exploits in the system without consequence, you could now PAY real money to improve your ability to use them. Now you have a system where a player can destroy you on one player on one account, have another instance of the game open, with another player, on another account, steal your items off your wrecked ship (cargo ship at a high sec gate, or what have you) and move them to another character without consequence. All paid for and endorsed by the creators of the game for the sake of bringing in more account membership revenue. Now obviously nothing that I say here will ever have any effect on the way the game is played, or changes in game mechanics, but I think its important to speak up for those out there that work a 9-5 job, and have to pay bills every month, vs those out there who come home from school, jump on their computer, and grief people with their teammates for the next 8 hours every day. That is the difference between a casual and a hardcore gamer, the differences in our real lives that dictate how we play, and it is unfortunate that Eve loses so many account memberships to this every day because there is no true dedication to the casual player.
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 383	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:15:00 - [2] - Quote Didn't read. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 1188	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:17:00 - [3] - Quote Why do you think your going to get flamed? You account sounds reasonable and logical in all ways. reads again NVM, you're about to get toasted, and you deserve it.
Buzzy Warstl The Strontium Asylum 455	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:18:00 - [4] - Quote I've just got to say that if you've been playing for 5 years and could be completely wiped out in 20 minutes you've been doing something wrong. Of course, if you aren't having fun you should be playing something else. After all, it's a game and fun is what it's for. http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs
Psychotic Monk The Skunkworks 553	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:20:00 - [5] - Quote I would gather that he is mad because of this. I would guess that he shot a suspect, possibly in a mission, and then got destroyed. It looks like he just wanted some kind of special treatment because he's be carebearing in his little bubble a long time and how dare someone come interfere with his gameplay. Someone with less time in game than him, no less! Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
NickyYo StarHug 336	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:21:00 - [6] - Quote Could i get a TLDR; please? ..
Spawne32 Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo 8	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:21:00 - [7] - Quote Psychotic Monk wrote: I would gather that he is mad because of this. I would guess that he shot a suspect, possibly in a mission, and then got destroyed. It looks like he just wanted some kind of special treatment because he's be carebearing in his little bubble a long time and how dare someone come interfere with his gameplay. Someone with less time in game than him, no less! Actually, i got a BM put on me after i got webbed and they warped in a small group of people who gained kill rights after warping in on my ship and knocking me back 50km. Then i was tackled, vamped, and destroyed. While my fleet watched.
Lord MuffloN Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 63	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:22:00 - [8] - Quote Nawwww, did a wardec get you? Was it a suspect you shot at? Can't take the consequences of your actions? There there, hey, can you take this pepper to your eyes, it opens up your tear ducts even further~
Whitehound 430	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:23:00 - [9] - Quote NickyYo wrote: Could i get a TLDR; please? He left. Inappropriate signature removed. - The Pope, , CIA and CCP.*
Yusef Yeasef Yosef Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 170	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:23:00 - [10] - Quote Some people only learn the true nature of Eve after 5 years gameplay. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Don't keep all your eggs in one basket. Don't trust the other guy more than you have to. Welcome to Eve; even though it is 5yrs too late.

silens vesica Corsair Cartel 432	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:25:00 - [11] - Quote Came expecting lengthy, nigh-unreadable rant. Left satisfied. Also: IB4L Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Malcanis for CSM8
Spawne32 Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo 8	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:25:00 - [12] - Quote Lord MuffloN wrote: Nawwww, did a wardec get you? Was it a suspect you shot at? Can't take the consequences of your actions? There there, hey, can you take this pepper to your eyes, it opens up your tear ducts even further~ lol we had a small salvage stealer in a mission start looting, gave me rights to attack. We attacked, he began orbiting my ship, vamp and warp scram. All of the sudden 5 other ships warped in directly on top of me. 20 minutes of dancing later they finally got a perfect hit on me after warping back and forth from the gate, they turned yellow, started firing on me while my guns were OFF, I fired back, almost wrecked the hurricane, they started repping him, then they all started gang raping me. No concord help at all even though i wasnt firing at any of them except the hurricane that initially started the incident.
No More Heroes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2146	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:26:00 - [13] - Quote It took you 5 years to carebear up a faction fit scorp? CSM Winter 2012 Summit Minutes- "On the subject of vanity items, Two step expressed many player's desire to be able to build a ***** in-áspace."
War Kitten Panda McLegion 1664	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:26:00 - [14] - Quote Spawne32 wrote: First off, let me say that I full well expect this post to be flamed like crazy from the vast majority of eve players, but I feel it is important to the future of the game to get out my reason's for leaving eve. I have always been a huge fan of the concept of game play that eve has, ... I couldn't help but get to this part and think, "...until I was the one who got killed." Going back to read more now, because it is very important that I understand exactly why you are quitting Eve... EDIT: Holy cluephones Batman! You've played since 2008 in a highsec bubble? I'm surprised Eve took that long to find you. I love this closing quote though: "... there is no true dedication to the casual player." Of course there isn't. Casual players aren't dedicated to the game - why should the game be dedicated to them? Leave your stuffs at the gate on your way out please. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Spawne32 Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo 9	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:27:00 - [15] - Quote No More Heroes wrote: It took you 5 years to carebear up a faction fit scorp? i play like 3-4 hours a week, if that, not to mention taking a year break over 2011
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 3723	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:29:00 - [16] - Quote Pfft OP quits for losing a bladly fit, not-so-valuable ship? Back in 2008 EvE was exactly like now, except you could alse be can flipped in missions. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 432	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:31:00 - [17] - Quote Spawne32 wrote: No More Heroes wrote: It took you 5 years to carebear up a faction fit scorp? i play like 3-4 hours a week, if that, not to mention taking a year break over 2011 Clearly, you should have left long ago. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Malcanis for CSM8
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1027	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:32:00 - [18] - Quote I got to the part where he talked about being skilled enough at PVE to start doing PVP and stopped reading. That's not a thing, at no point does doing PVE make you "ready" to PVP, being prepared for PVP is a mindset, a day old character in a thrasher flown by a brand new newbie can be vastly more "ready" for PVP if properly motivated and directed than a 5 year old carebear who runs missions in his faction battleship all day.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Operations 3341	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:33:00 - [19] - Quote Spawne32 wrote: As of a few days ago, my entire 5 years worth of casual game play was destroyed in 20 minutes in a .9 system That Faction Fit Navy Scorp was your ENTIRE 5 years worth of gameplay ???? Really ? I hate to be mean, and I'm not often, but good riddance. America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde - 1870's
Spawne32 Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo 9	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:34:00 - [20] - Quote silens vesica wrote: Spawne32 wrote: No More Heroes wrote: It took you 5 years to carebear up a faction fit scorp? i play like 3-4 hours a week, if that, not to mention taking a year break over 2011 Clearly, you should have left long ago. Don't get it twisted, i enjoyed the game, but when you are paying a monthly subscription to enjoy a game, and that game turns into WORK, the fun goes out the window. I realize that everyone has the concept of dont fly what you can afford to lose, or that losing ships is somehow the awesome fun of the game, but you dont see me out there crashing my car into a telephone pole do you?

Psychotic Monk The Skunkworks 555	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:35:00 - [21] - Quote [quote=Spawne32 lol we had a small salvage stealer in a mission start looting, gave me rights to attack. We attacked, he began orbiting my ship, vamp and warp scram. All of the sudden 5 other ships warped in directly on top of me. 20 minutes of dancing later they finally got a perfect hit on me after warping back and forth from the gate, they turned yellow, started firing on me while my guns were OFF, I fired back, almost wrecked the hurricane, they started repping him, then they all started gang raping me. No concord help at all even though i wasnt firing at any of them except the hurricane that initially started the incident.[/quote] That killmail shows only one person. He was the only one that shot you. Have you spend five years in game and you not only can't tell who's able to legally shoot you, but you can't tell who is shooting you? What have you spend these five years doing? Certainly not playing EvE with the rest of us. Get your head in the game. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Rahmiro Wormhole Exploration Crew R.E.P.O. 18	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:35:00 - [22] - Quote That's no reason to quit playing. Get yourself up, dust off and get back out there! Try dishing it out for awhile. I never seen these people in my life. I don't recognize them Your Honor
Din Chao 125	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:35:00 - [23] - Quote Everything I need to know about this guy is right here. Spawne32 wrote: ...high sec (PVE play) space... And here. Spawne32 wrote: ...we had a small salvage stealer...
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 432	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:36:00 - [24] - Quote Spawne32 wrote: ... when you are paying a monthly subscription to enjoy a game, and that game turns into WORK, the fun goes out the window. Yup. Shoulda left long ago. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Malcanis for CSM8
Psychotic Monk The Skunkworks 555	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:36:00 - [25] - Quote Also, if you're not enjoying this game (it being work, apparently), then maybe you shouldn't play it. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Spawne32 Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo 9	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:38:00 - [26] - Quote Psychotic Monk wrote: [quote=Spawne32 lol we had a small salvage stealer in a mission start looting, gave me rights to attack. We attacked, he began orbiting my ship, vamp and warp scram. All of the sudden 5 other ships warped in directly on top of me. 20 minutes of dancing later they finally got a perfect hit on me after warping back and forth from the gate, they turned yellow, started firing on me while my guns were OFF, I fired back, almost wrecked the hurricane, they started repping him, then they all started gang raping me. No concord help at all even though i wasnt firing at any of them except the hurricane that initially started the incident. That killmail shows only one person. He was the only one that shot you. Have you spend five years in game and you not only can't tell who's able to legally shoot you, but you can't tell who is shooting you? What have you spend these five years doing? Certainly not playing EvE with the rest of us. Get your head in the game.[/quote] Well look, im not gonna try to explain it to you, I was confused about it as well. The fact remains that with my safeties on max, i could not have instigated the incident.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Operations 3341	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:38:00 - [27] - Quote Spawne32 wrote: Don't get it twisted, i enjoyed the game, but when you are paying a monthly subscription to enjoy a game, and that game turns into WORK, the fun goes out the window. I realize that everyone has the concept of dont fly what you can afford to lose, or that losing ships is somehow the awesome fun of the game, but you dont see me out there crashing my car into a telephone pole do you? This makes no sense....because if EVE turned into 'work' for you it did that long ago, and you still stayed and 'enjoyed' it ? I'm not really sure what your entire point is here except you seem very confused and have missed the point of the game entirely. America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde - 1870's
War Kitten Panda McLegion 1666	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:39:00 - [28] - Quote Spawne32 wrote: Lord MuffloN wrote: Nawwww, did a wardec get you? Was it a suspect you shot at? Can't take the consequences of your actions? There there, hey, can you take this pepper to your eyes, it opens up your tear ducts even further~ lol we had a small salvage stealer in a mission start looting, gave me rights to attack. We attacked, he began orbiting my ship, vamp and warp scram. All of the sudden 5 other ships warped in directly on top of me. 20 minutes of dancing later they finally got a perfect hit on me after warping back and forth from the gate, they turned yellow, started firing on me while my guns were OFF, I fired back, almost wrecked the hurricane, they started repping him, then they all started gang raping me. No concord help at all even though i wasnt firing at any of them except the hurricane that initially started the incident. The hurricane is all that killed you. The rest might've repped him and yellow-boxed you, and confused you thoroughly, but the only guy on the KM is the hurricane. You did shoot at him first, ya know. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
kes88 Swords of Persephone 11	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:40:00 - [29] - Quote As someone who runs at the first sign of PVP; I engaged a suspect the other day, got had, blowed up and got over it. In fact, the chap was very nice about it. He was clearly baiting the whole time, I figured why not? He's got a flag, I went for it and then POP :P I can understand why this was upsetting if you only stick to PVE usually, but I don't see any reason for quitting here?
War Kitten Panda McLegion 1666	Posted - 2013.01.22 20:41:00 - [30] - Quote Spawne32 wrote: Well look, im not gonna try to explain it to you, I was confused about it as well. The fact remains that with my safeties on max, i could not have instigated the incident. Safeties prevent you from doing Concordable things, not dumb things. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.



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