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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
781
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:44:00 -
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This is one of those long winded "I'm leaving Eve, boo hoo boo hoo" pity parties that rarely, if ever, ends with the poster actually unsubbing. What is really is, tbqfh, is a "Pay attention to me because I feel bad about myself" attention-whoring monologue that no one in their right minds gives two flying fucks about.
If you want to quit, go unsubscribe, dust your hands off, and QUIT ******* POSTING. If you're not quitting, quit wasting everyone else's time with the abloo-abloo-abloo. The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1062
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:45:00 -
[32] - Quote
Not gonna flame. But I have to bring up this quick thing. You go into a fairly lengthy post about why you are quitting EVE. Yet for all you say, you never actually went into the details.
First you say
Quote:but I feel it is important to the future of the game to get out my reason's for leaving eve.
But then when you get to the interesting part of your post you say:
Quote: I'm not even going to get into details about how or why because there isn't enough available characters to explain it,
So basically your entire post is fail.
Later on you explain a little, which sounds like a classic ninja salvager bait scenario. I haven't played EVE as long as you have, yet I know you NEVER SHOOT THOSE GUYS. Nothing has changed. That has always been the way. Subtle changes may have changed in the specifics of aggression, but the basic mechanics have stayed the same.
So in retrospect, it isn't EVE's fault. You finally got bit by a game mechanic that has always existed and wanna give up. Fair enough. In the end games are about fun, and if it isn't fun you shouldn't play. But don't make this the games fault. This situation has been there since before you started the game. |

Arec Bardwin
891
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:47:00 -
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So you shot a loot thief in a frigate and he came back with friends in hurricanes? |

Solstice Project
T E R R O R I S T S
2635
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:50:00 -
[34] - Quote
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
RIDDANCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
398
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:59:00 -
[35] - Quote
What I don't understand is, how did you play EVE for that long and not hear about that bait-and-switch tactic? It's not exactly new. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
147
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:59:00 -
[36] - Quote
you could always just branch out into other areas of the game. EVE has a lot to offer and casual players can do quite well, if they take the time to learn the mechanics of the game. |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
41
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:59:00 -
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For some reason I thought it was about losing 100 plexes in a shuttle type of bad...
Question though...
If safety was enabled could he not shoot the probe in the first place?
Secondly, doesn't shooting probes in hi-sec result in concord?
If not, how does the Hurricane get kill rights?
If your safeties were on and you didn't turn it off to shoot the probes, then I would argue you have a pretty good case for petitioning the issue as you should not be able to participate in activities that give you kill rights to others like looting cans.
If you can shoot probes and give kill rights on other then there is something oviously wrong with the saftey feature.
Of coruse if you were flying with safties turned off it was your own damn fault.
[edit]
Oh I see they can flipped you and then you shot at them. Well that obviously bypasses the safeties and has been known to cause ship loss.
Well... Just make sure you fill out the form of why you are quitting EvE to let CCP know why they are losing a subscription. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby" |

Dave Stark
1650
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:00:00 -
[38] - Quote
tl;dr
perchance may i procure your acquisitions? "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
432
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:02:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:For some reason I thought it was about losing 100 plexes in a shuttle type of bad... Question though... If safety was enabled could he not shoot the probe in the first place? Secondly, doesn't shooting probes in hi-sec result in concord? If not, how does the Hurricane get kill rights? If your safeties were on and you didn't turn it off to shoot the probes, then I would argue you have a pretty good case for petitioning the issue as you should not be able to participate in activities that give you kill rights to others like looting cans. If you can shoot probes and give kill rights on other then there is something oviously wrong with the saftey feature. Of coruse if you were flying with safties turned off it was your own damn fault. If the probe is stealing his wrecks, he gets to shoot without concodrdokken. Once he shoots at the Probe, Probe pilot has 15 minutes in which he can freely fire back.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |

Rath Kelbore
Eviscerate.
354
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:03:00 -
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Spawne32 wrote:First off, let me say that I full well expect this post to be flamed like crazy from the vast majority of eve players, but I feel it is important to the future of the game to get out my reason's for leaving eve. I have always been a huge fan of the concept of game play that eve has, a massive MMO environment that allows for every aspect of play style you can possibly imagine, it is part of the reason that eve has been so successful for so long, where as other MMO's will die out after a few years. The new integration which allows dust ps3 players to play with eve pc players is beyond measure the greatest leap we have seen in the past 20 years to games in general. However all of this greatness is not without some measure of inherent problems not only with the game itself, but the overall mentality of its players, and its designers.
When I first started playing eve back in 2008, it was a game that made you heavily invested into character development and gameplay. There was always a clear progression of when you would move from PVE game mechanics and become skilled enough to enter into PVP mechanics, and that time table and how and where to play was very easily discernible for most players, but in recent years this line has become blurred. This comes at a very great expense I feel to players that are not as invested in the game as others.
I've often complained countless times over the past 2 years that gameplay mechanics have changed for the worse, the play style that is often talked about in eve advertisement videos about the sandbox and null sec has intruded itself heavily into high sec (PVE play) space. An area of play that is supposed to be reserved for those with a much more casual style of play, or so we were led to believe so many years ago. Which had allowed eve to accommodate many different types of players, not just that hardcore gamer.
As of a few days ago, my entire 5 years worth of casual game play was destroyed in 20 minutes in a .9 system due to what i would refer to as an exploit in the flawed mechanics of high sec. I'm not even going to get into details about how or why because there isn't enough available characters to explain it, but myself and those of my corporation that I played with were beyond confused when the event unfolded. I find it incredibly sad to see the way this game is changing. Common things that we argue about here all the time, such as griefers, exploits, ganking, etc have all become common place, and heavily endorsed by CCP even though they don't directly say it, the changes in game mechanics clearly support players that invest their time terrorizing the casual players using whatever flaws in the system they can find. Or in this case we can call them "loopholes" in the laws of the game universe.
I think when it all comes down to it, it truly spiraled out of control though when CCP endorsed alternate accounts. This was a clear message to players that not only could you use these exploits in the system without consequence, you could now PAY real money to improve your ability to use them. Now you have a system where a player can destroy you on one player on one account, have another instance of the game open, with another player, on another account, steal your items off your wrecked ship (cargo ship at a high sec gate, or what have you) and move them to another character without consequence. All paid for and endorsed by the creators of the game for the sake of bringing in more account membership revenue.
Now obviously nothing that I say here will ever have any effect on the way the game is played, or changes in game mechanics, but I think its important to speak up for those out there that work a 9-5 job, and have to pay bills every month, vs those out there who come home from school, jump on their computer, and grief people with their teammates for the next 8 hours every day. That is the difference between a casual and a hardcore gamer, the differences in our real lives that dictate how we play, and it is unfortunate that Eve loses so many account memberships to this every day because there is no true dedication to the casual player.
I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |

Reiisha
Evolution The Retirement Club
210
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:04:00 -
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The first rule of EVE:
Don't use what you can't afford to lose.
You have to learn this at some point or another, better late than never. Now that you've learned it, get back out there and act on it :)
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |

killorbekilled TBE
Initiated
210
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:04:00 -
[42] - Quote
Empire agro mechanics are so sucking fupid i stay way clear of it all :) |

Solstice Project
T E R R O R I S T S
2636
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:04:00 -
[43] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:If the probe is stealing his loot, he gets to shoot without concodrdokken. Fixed that for you. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1694
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:05:00 -
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Quiz time!
You say mechanics "keep getting changed to hinder casuals" -- name one.*
You say Eve "keeps losing players" because of this -- can you explain how an increase in subscriptions** comes about from fewer players?
It's these glaring inconsistencies in what you're writing that makes your OP pointless.
* - in the timeframe you give, every mechanics change applicable to high-sec has made being aggressed / losing your ship harder. ** Eve reached it's highest ever subscriber number this month - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
652
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:06:00 -
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I'm terribly sorry someone lied to you by saying Highsec is "for PVE" and that you have to carebear around for five years before playing EVE Online. They probably also told you that 1.5 bil is a decent life-savings after five years of playing, and that your big expensive battleship costs far too much to be defeated by lowly T1 ships. Those bastards. |

Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:07:00 -
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You loved that ship so much that you didnt even bother to fit it properly .
In 5 years of playing you were baited on most common high sec trick,like all mission runners that never ever invested a minute of their time to visit forum and get at least info how to save their ship.
Also it is hard to believe that player that plays 2-3 hours per day stashed only 1,3 billion.It is hard to believe after 5 years you didnt follow first rule that every rookie knows "dont fly what you cant afford to loose".
So all you have learned so far is that game is broken and that safe heaven is not so safe ,and that in game that is harsh place .
With all respect to you as fellow player in this game,but you were really lucky you didnt loose this ship long time ago. |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
432
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:08:00 -
[47] - Quote
So... Making sure I understand this:
Wreck Ninja swipes stuffs. Ninja gets popped.. Missioneer does not run for safety. Missioneer dies in an expensive fire. Missioneer whinges in GD, gets trolled.
Right. Nothing to see here... It's all been done before. Move along.
Edit:
Solstice Project wrote:silens vesica wrote:If the probe is stealing his loot, he gets to shoot without concodrdokken. Fixed that for you. Right. Thank you.
 Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1694
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:09:00 -
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Spawne32 wrote:Psychotic Monk wrote:I would gather that he is mad because of this.I would guess that he shot a suspect, possibly in a mission, and then got destroyed. It looks like he just wanted some kind of special treatment because he's be carebearing in his little bubble a long time and how dare someone come interfere with his gameplay. Someone with less time in game than him, no less! Actually, i got a BM put on me after i got webbed and they warped in a small group of people who gained kill rights after warping in on my ship and knocking me back 50km. Then i was tackled, vamped, and destroyed. While my fleet watched.
Also, as you described, this is an impossible scenario. You derped.
- "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Celestra Doxaila
MinTek Heavy Industries
41
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:09:00 -
[49] - Quote
I stopped reading at :
Quote:There was always a clear progression of when you would move from PVE game mechanics and become skilled enough to enter into PVP mechanics.
A 2 week old noob that gets into PVP on day one will know more about how it works than someone that has played the game 5 years and has somehow managed to avoid all contact with PVP. Sure, the noob's ships will be cheap and poorly fit (the fittings do require some level of skill training to actually work). But nothing replaces experience. Heck, the aggression rules are so much easier now to understand with the visual timers and indications.
If you must shoot the thief, swap ships to something properly fit for PVP or at the very least cheap enough that you can afford to lose.
There is just no reason to get baited like this once you have been playing the game a while.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2614
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:09:00 -
[50] - Quote
how come after 5 years you couldn't fit t2 cruise missles at least? |

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1457
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:18:00 -
[51] - Quote
link killmail please a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |

Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
172
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:25:00 -
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Rath Kelbore wrote:bah, I wrote out a long, well written reply, and the forums ate it.
I lost ten minutes of work due to forum bug/exploits, I'm quitting EVE as well.
Sounds like you haven't learned one of the main Eve Online unofficial forum rules,.... 
...Don't spend any more time typing than you can afford to lose. And, Ctrl+c is your very bestest friend. 
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Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
288
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:26:00 -
[53] - Quote
EVE, such a harsh mistress.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3380
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:34:00 -
[54] - Quote
Obviously you made a series of easily avoidable mistakes.
You forgot that BS sized weapons often are fairly ineffective against frigate sized targets if the frigate is well flown and equipped. You forgot that the Probe pilot could reship and come back after you initiated hostilites. You forgot his friends could remote repair him (which did make them viable targets for you). You forgot that the Yellow box only means they are targeting you, which confused you. You kept going back, and did not switch to a PVP ship if you did insist on prolonging the encounter. And the oldest chestnut (obviously) you flew what you could not afford to lose, and put it at risk.
Any of these issues are easily correctable, and frankly to blame your quitting the game on this situation is more than a bit silly. If you've become burned out that is totally understandable, but to squeak because of well known game mechanics that are actually SIMPLER to understand than they were in 2008 is more than a little hypocritical. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Marius Deterium
Crush Kill Destroy
15
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:36:00 -
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How can you have played Eve for 5 years, and your whole game is ruined by one ship loss? How can anyone play this game for 5 years not be able to afford a scorp. (I didn't even know people few scorps any more).
This is what is so wrong with carebears in this game. First off, they are terrible at Eve, even the part they focus in (carebearing). If you can only come with a a bil or 2 after 5 years of carebearing you are really doing something wrong.
Secondly, if carebears got over their hoarder syndrome that makes them intolerant of any loss I think they'd be a lot happier.
Makes me wonder if carebears cry when they shoot ammo.
This thread has to be a troll, it can't be real. |

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1054
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:46:00 -
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So was killing the bait probe worth the loss of a Navy Scorp? |

Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp Ocularis Inferno
68
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:46:00 -
[57] - Quote
Can I have your stuff? |

Bing Bangboom
Ded End Damage Inc. United Sytems Against Terrorist Opperations
114
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:46:00 -
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Something makes no sense here, well, besides the everything else that makes no sense. The Battleclinic killboard shows this fellow has a 35-23 lifetime record. Now, he hasn't done any pvp in about a year but he was violencing people's ships before, even podded a few.
And he's part of a corporation that is known for gank attacks on New Order Agents. I myself was on the receiving end of one. (Don't worry, I survived and got a delicious kill right, now exercised)
I have to believe its the size of the loss that set him off. He was had by skillful social engineers and he mad.
THIS is why we need to kill the noobs early and often. So they don't grow up to be five year vets who are still asking, "Wha' happened?
BBB |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
2978
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:48:00 -
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Remembering that EVE is primarily a PvP game, and that all PvE takes place in that context, my suggestion to you is that you get right back into whatever it was you were doing: start with a smaller ship, build up your income stream again. Read the Making ISK guide so you don't end up with only 1B ISK of assets after 5 years of playing.
What happened to you is a classic trap for new players: ninja looters will head into your mission, steal your loot, go blinky to you, wait for you to shoot them (which gives them permission to shoot back) then reship into a combat vessel and blow you up. This scenario is almost as old as EVE itself. So now you know about it, you have the information you need to not be caught by this trap again. Remember that next time someone goes blinky to you in a mission space, the right thing to do is dock up and log out.
Losing your favourite mission-running ship can be a huge emotional blow. You really need to get back on that horse and keep riding. Don't let the loss get you down: learn from this experience and move on. If you have a fleet of friends running missions with you, you'll find it's easy to get back into the rhythm.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2122
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:50:00 -
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Spawne32 wrote:Psychotic Monk wrote:I would gather that he is mad because of this.I would guess that he shot a suspect, possibly in a mission, and then got destroyed. It looks like he just wanted some kind of special treatment because he's be carebearing in his little bubble a long time and how dare someone come interfere with his gameplay. Someone with less time in game than him, no less! Actually, i got a BM put on me after i got webbed and they warped in a small group of people who gained kill rights after warping in on my ship and knocking me back 50km. Then i was tackled, vamped, and destroyed. While my fleet watched.
You've been playing for 5 years, don't know the game mechanics & still fit ships terribly? I guess some people just never learn anything.
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