I would gather that he is mad because of this.

I would guess that he shot a suspect, possibly in a mission, and then got destroyed. It looks like he just wanted some kind of special treatment because he's be carebearing in his little bubble a long time and how dare someone come interfere with his gameplay. Someone with less time in game than him, no less!

Could i get a TLDR; please?

Nawwww, did a wardec get you? Was it a suspect you shot at? Can't take the consequences of your actions? There there, hey, can you take this pepper to your eyes, it opens up your tear ducts even further~

First off, let me say that I full well expect this post to be flamed like crazy from the vast majority of eve players, but I feel it is important to the future of the game to get out my reason's for leaving eve. I have always been a huge fan of the concept of game play that eve has, ...

It took you 5 years to carebear up a faction fit scorp?

i play like 3-4 hours a week, if that, not to mention taking a year break over 2011

As of a few days ago, my entire 5 years worth of casual game play was destroyed in 20 minutes in a .9 system

Clearly, you should have left long ago.

...high sec (PVE play) space...

...we had a small salvage stealer...

... when you are paying a monthly subscription to enjoy a game, and that game turns into WORK, the fun goes out the window.

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lol we had a small salvage stealer in a mission start looting, gave me rights to attack. We attacked, he began orbiting my ship, vamp and warp scram. All of the sudden 5 other ships warped in directly on top of me. 20 minutes of dancing later they finally got a perfect hit on me after warping back and forth from the gate, they turned yellow, started firing on me while my guns were OFF, I fired back, almost wrecked the hurricane, they started repping him, then they all started gang raping me. No concord help at all even though i wasnt firing at any of them except the hurricane that initially started the incident.

Don't get it twisted, i enjoyed the game, but when you are paying a monthly subscription to enjoy a game, and that game turns into WORK, the fun goes out the window. I realize that everyone has the concept of dont fly what you can afford to lose, or that losing ships is somehow the awesome fun of the game, but you dont see me out there crashing my car into a telephone pole do you?

lol we had a small salvage stealer in a mission start looting, gave me rights to attack. We attacked, he began orbiting my ship, vamp and warp scram. All of the sudden 5 other ships warped in directly on top of me. 20 minutes of dancing later they finally got a perfect hit on me after warping back and forth from the gate, they turned yellow, started firing on me while my guns were OFF, I fired back, almost wrecked the hurricane, they started repping him, then they all started gang raping me. No concord help at all even though i wasnt firing at any of them except the hurricane that initially started the incident.

Well look, im not gonna try to explain it to you, I was confused about it as well. The fact remains that with my safeties on max, i could not have instigated the incident.

but I feel it is important to the future of the game to get out my reason's for leaving eve.

I'm not even going to get into details about how or why because there isn't enough available characters to explain it,

He left.

First he shot a Probe, which was probably in his mission and destroyed it.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15957130

5 minutes later does the Probe pilot show up with a Hurricane and killed his 1b ISK CN Scorpion.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15986030

Seems he got baited, says it was one player with his alt, and lost interest in EVE thereafter.

For some reason I thought it was about losing 100 plexes in a shuttle type of bad...

Question though...

If safety was enabled could he not shoot the probe in the first place?

Secondly, doesn't shooting probes in hi-sec result in concord?

If not, how does the Hurricane get kill rights?

If your safeties were on and you didn't turn it off to shoot the probes, then I would argue you have a pretty good case for petitioning the issue as you should not be able to participate in activities that give you kill rights to others like looting cans.

If you can shoot probes and give kill rights on other then there is something oviously wrong with the saftey feature.

Of coruse if you were flying with safties turned off it was your own damn fault.

First off, let me say that I full well expect this post to be flamed like crazy from the vast majority of eve players, but I feel it is important to the future of the game to get out my reason's for leaving eve. I have always been a huge fan of the concept of game play that eve has, a massive MMO environment that allows for every aspect of play style you can possibly imagine, it is part of the reason that eve has been so successful for so long, where as other MMO's will die out after a few years. The new integration which allows dust ps3 players to play with eve pc players is beyond measure the greatest leap we have seen in the past 20 years to games in general. However all of this greatness is not without some measure of inherent problems not only with the game itself, but the overall mentality of its players, and its designers.

When I first started playing eve back in 2008, it was a game that made you heavily invested into character development and gameplay. There was always a clear progression of when you would move from PVE game mechanics and become skilled enough to enter into PVP mechanics, and that time table and how and where to play was very easily discernible for most players, but in recent years this line has become blurred. This comes at a very great expense I feel to players that are not as invested in the game as others.

I've often complained countless times over the past 2 years that gameplay mechanics have changed for the worse, the play style that is often talked about in eve advertisement videos about the sandbox and null sec has intruded itself heavily into high sec (PVE play) space. An area of play that is supposed to be reserved for those with a much more casual style of play, or so we were led to believe so many years ago. Which had allowed eve to accommodate many different types of players, not just that hardcore gamer.

As of a few days ago, my entire 5 years worth of casual game play was destroyed in 20 minutes in a .9 system due to what i would refer to as an exploit in the flawed mechanics of high sec. I'm not even going to get into details about how or why because there isn't enough available characters to explain it, but myself and those of my corporation that I played with were beyond confused when the event unfolded. I find it incredibly sad to see the way this game is changing. Common things that we argue about here all the time, such as griefers, exploits, ganking, etc have all become common place, and heavily endorsed by CCP even though they don't directly say it, the changes in game mechanics clearly support players that invest their time terrorizing the casual players using whatever flaws in the system they can find. Or in this case we can call them "loopholes" in the laws of the game universe.

I think when it all comes down to it, it truly spiraled out of control though when CCP endorsed alternate accounts. This was a clear message to players that not only could you use these exploits in the system without consequence, you could now PAY real money to improve your ability to use them. Now you have a system where a player can destroy you on one player on one account, have another instance of the game open, with another player, on another account, steal your items off your wrecked ship (cargo ship at a high sec gate, or what have you) and move them to another character without consequence. All paid for and endorsed by the creators of the game for the sake of bringing in more account membership revenue.

Now obviously nothing that I say here will ever have any effect on the way the game is played, or changes in game mechanics, but I think its important to speak up for those out there that work a 9-5 job, and have to pay bills every month, vs those out there who come home from school, jump on their computer, and grief people with their teammates for the next 8 hours every day. That is the difference between a casual and a hardcore gamer, the differences in our real lives that dictate how we play, and it is unfortunate that Eve loses so many account memberships to this every day because there is no true dedication to the casual player.

If the probe is stealing his loot, he gets to shoot without concodrdokken.

Fixed that for you.

Actually, i got a BM put on me after i got webbed and they warped in a small group of people who gained kill rights after warping in on my ship and knocking me back 50km. Then i was tackled, vamped, and destroyed. While my fleet watched.

There was always a clear progression of when you would move from PVE game mechanics and become skilled enough to enter into PVP mechanics.

bah, I wrote out a long, well written reply, and the forums ate it.

I lost ten minutes of work due to forum bug/exploits, I'm quitting EVE as well.

Actually, i got a BM put on me after i got webbed and they warped in a small group of people who gained kill rights after warping in on my ship and knocking me back 50km. Then i was tackled, vamped, and destroyed. While my fleet watched.

Remembering that EVE is primarily a PvP game, and that all PvE takes place in that context, my suggestion to you is that you get right back into whatever it was you were doing: start with a smaller ship, build up your income stream again. Read the Making ISK guide so you don't end up with only 1B ISK of assets after 5 years of playing.

What happened to you is a classic trap for new players: ninja looters will head into your mission, steal your loot, go blinky to you, wait for you to shoot them (which gives them permission to shoot back) then reship into a combat vessel and blow you up. This scenario is almost as old as EVE itself. So now you know about it, you have the information you need to not be caught by this trap again. Remember that next time someone goes blinky to you in a mission space, the right thing to do is dock up and log out.

Losing your favourite mission-running ship can be a huge emotional blow. You really need to get back on that horse and keep riding. Don't let the loss get you down: learn from this experience and move on. If you have a fleet of friends running missions with you, you'll find it's easy to get back into the rhythm.

Don't get it twisted, i enjoyed the game, but when you are paying a monthly subscription to enjoy a game, and that game turns into WORK, the fun goes out the window. I realize that everyone has the concept of dont fly what you can afford to lose, or that losing ships is somehow the awesome fun of the game, but you dont see me out there crashing my car into a telephone pole do you?

I have never thought of the game as PVE or PVP. It is EVE. Not everything has to be divided into two parcels.

BTW ISD, 90% of the posts in this thread are nothing but insults and trolls, yet none are removed/warned/banned. That's some fine mod work there.

Quick, everyone smack talk him and put him down for casualy playing Eve and not spending all his waking life on it.

I have a question as well. Why do folks who quit want to tell everyone? Tell CCP. I don't lose a dime or any sleep for that matter.

I've come to a realization.

If you dont crave pvp and want it all the time, you should quit this game. The game is for pvp, thats it. Anything else exists just to facilitate and service pvp. All mechanics in the game are designed to provide variety to the pvpers.

Mining, industry, and PVE exist only to create an artificial value to pvp loss, thus giving pvp "meaning".

The sooner you accept it, you'll be happier in game and out (even if that means playing another game).

Spawne32 can I have your stuff now that you are quitting? I promise to take the fight to the big bad hardcore players who ruined everyones EVE.

O.o

This is a series of the silliest statements I have ever heard.

And yet he's closer to the actual reality of the game than you ever will be.

Hi,

I've removed a lot of mean-spirited comments from this topic and moved it to the right area.

If you've got nothing nice to say, saying nothing is the option that doesn't break the rules, folks!

Thanks.

You are doing your job here, I cannot blame you for that, and please don't take it as a personal attack.
But I hate how all those threads always end up here, feels like OoPE is a toxic waste dump for terrible threads.

You see, there is a thread here about a guy who just realized that he doesn't like eggs now as an adult quite as much as he used to like them when he was little.
Good stuff.
Highly relevant to OoPE.
You keep flushing those constructive threads off the frontpage with all the GD sewage that we get.

Problem here is greed.

OP apparently considered the loot "his" and didn-¦t take it kindly when it was "stolen" from him instead of just ignoring the intruder.

Oh, and not knowing basic game mechanics (the consequences) like aggression timers and killrights didn-¦t help either but there is still hope that some lurking soul learns from this story....

Hi,

I've removed a lot of mean-spirited comments from this topic and moved it to the right area.

If you've got nothing nice to say, saying nothing is the option that doesn't break the rules, folks!

Thanks.

Hi,

I've removed a lot of mean-spirited comments from this topic and moved it to the right area.

If you've got nothing nice to say, saying nothing is the option that doesn't break the rules, folks!

Thanks.

I thought ninja salvaging was dead?

People tend to forget that for "everyone can shoot a player with a suspect flag" to be a detriment to such activities there has to be other people present and motivated to take advantage of that.

Even then you can always come back in an appropriate ship and with remote repping/boosting friends to take advantage of those players if you think you can take them.

I would gather that he is mad because of this.

I would guess that he shot a suspect, possibly in a mission, and then got destroyed. It looks like he just wanted some kind of special treatment because he's be carebearing in his little bubble a long time and how dare someone come interfere with his gameplay. Someone with less time in game than him, no less!

Navy Scorpion IS A BAD FIT.

There is no way to fit the hull correctly... its a bad ship.

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