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Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
281
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Posted - 2013.01.24 15:48:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:Null just sounds boring, that's all I can say
Also "WE NEED TO KEEP OUR MOONGOO TO ENSURE WE CAN FUND 100 SUPERCAP HOTDROP"
Maybe that's the problem, thinking too big rome
Yeah in a game where literally nothing is free, having income is totally stupid stupid CFC and HBC who do these f*cksh*ts think they are? The only real, legitimate income is mining and ratting, and if you can't finance your wars on that and/or gigantic vassal corps doing it for you, you're not a real Eve Online player! 
It's ok to have wealth in this game, it's really actually very productive to having fun within it. It's okay to make moongoo income a strategic resource, as it funds most of what the CFC, TEST, and Pandemic Legion does.
I know I'm personally invested in staying in deklein, and the CFC at-large is fairly invested in their sov not changing too much. That's actually OK. Nobody but Montolio and a teenaged diplomat wanted to play Roulette and see who emerged from a new foreverwar with all the tech. True motivations might be hard to ascertain if you're not inside the head of coalition and alliance leaders, or idling in the dipomacy room, but with what most people know, if you want to point a finger and blame someone for cooler heads prevailing in a war you have naught but a spectator's investment in, point it at CCP when they dropped the ball with both moongoo and sov. |

Evander Armistice
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.01.24 15:50:00 -
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Andski wrote:by far, the most likely outcome is a white peace: we don't want to be an empire spanning from Vale of the Silent to Delve
since most hisec publords seem to think that it'd be a wash and we'd be utterly defeated, I can only get the impression that they want a SINGLE COALITION SPANNING FROM VALE TO CATCH
Sorry to say this Andski because I have followed many of your posts in the past and most often respect your positions but in this instance there is very little difference to my mind between hi-sec and null-sec coalition entities: both are "risk averse".
So you are going to get into a little tiff with TEST, neither party is risking anything or losing anything. All losses can and will be replaced with moon-goo income. Both parties are blaming games mechanics for the making sov war a grind. I have heard similar rationalizations from hi-sec players that have been ganked and then blame CCP for bad game design.
Of course, you have conquered that space in the past and it is yours to use as you wish just don't look down your nose at hi-sec any longer, the contrast between 0.0 and hi-sec is not as stark as it once was.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6458
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Posted - 2013.01.24 16:17:00 -
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Evander Armistice wrote:Sorry to say this Andski because I have followed many of your posts in the past and most often respect your positions but in this instance there is very little difference to my mind between hi-sec and null-sec coalition entities: both are "risk averse".
So you are going to get into a little tiff with TEST, neither party is risking anything or losing anything. All losses can and will be replaced with moon-goo income. Both parties are blaming games mechanics for the making sov war a grind. I have heard similar rationalizations from hi-sec players that have been ganked and then blame CCP for bad game design.
Of course, you have conquered that space in the past and it is yours to use as you wish just don't look down your nose at hi-sec any longer, the contrast between 0.0 and hi-sec is not as stark as it once was.
and what would the individual pilot lose in an all-out sov war? it'd all be paid for with moongoo income regardless ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

CausticS0da
Viziam Amarr Empire
160
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Posted - 2013.01.24 16:24:00 -
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The funny thing is that this thread deteriorated into a null vs high sec ragefest. It's the rank and file of the blue donut that should be complaining. Do you people play EVe wanting to fight? Or do you play to fatten the wallets of CEOs? What are the grunts gaining from the donut? Being able to rat safely? |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6458
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Posted - 2013.01.24 16:30:00 -
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CausticS0da wrote:The funny thing is that this thread deteriorated into a null vs high sec ragefest. It's the rank and file of the blue donut that should be complaining. Do you people play EVe wanting to fight? Or do you play to fatten the wallets of CEOs? What are the grunts gaining from the donut? Being able to rat safely?
http://standings.goonfleet.com http://standings.pleaseignore.com
we reset each other, done ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Karrl Tian
Exiled Assassins Equestria Alliance
167
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Posted - 2013.01.24 16:48:00 -
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CausticS0da wrote:The funny thing is that this thread deteriorated into a null vs high sec ragefest.
Pretty much every thread in GD does this. I could make a thread about the history of peanut butter and by page 2 highsec and null would be tearing into each other. Maybe it's because they live in the two most boring parts of the game? Then again, with all the null alts in highsec and all the highsec alts in null, can you really claim that it's two different groups and not the same group beating themselves in the head with rocks? |

Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1122
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Posted - 2013.01.24 17:15:00 -
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Posting in a Goonie alt thread... "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac |

Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:56:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:So has anyone in this thread mentioned that TEST and Goons have reset each other and goons are actively camping Fountain and Delve killing any TEST they come across? It's making it hard on those of us who use Fountain and Delve npc space for mission running. someone make them kiss and make up, mama needs a new pair of BPCs from cashed in Blood Raider and Serpentis LP.....
We keep mentioning the reset, but pubbies are ignoring it because it doesn't fit into there all-blue-nullsec narrative.
I also find it especially funny that some think HBC would completely trounce CFC in a full on sov war, and that half the map under HBC would some how be an improvement over the much maligned CFC/HBC pact.
My take is that a blue'd up nullsec is only bad when Goons happen to be blue too. |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
284
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:07:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:So has anyone in this thread mentioned that TEST and Goons have reset each other and goons are actively camping Fountain and Delve killing any TEST they come across? It's making it hard on those of us who use Fountain and Delve npc space for mission running. someone make them kiss and make up, mama needs a new pair of BPCs from cashed in Blood Raider and Serpentis LP..... We keep mentioning the reset, but pubbies are ignoring it because it doesn't fit into there all-blue-nullsec narrative. I also find it especially funny that some think HBC would completely trounce CFC in a full on sov war, and that half the map under HBC would some how be an improvement over the much maligned CFC/HBC pact. My take is that a blue'd up nullsec is only bad when Goons happen to be blue too.
I wonder how many pubbies would be completely lost if you just changed corp/alliance names with the same people then show them a SOV map with none of the current names on it. Who would they hate then? |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3280
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Posted - 2013.01.24 22:22:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:So has anyone in this thread mentioned that TEST and Goons have reset each other and goons are actively camping Fountain and Delve killing any TEST they come across? It's making it hard on those of us who use Fountain and Delve npc space for mission running. someone make them kiss and make up, mama needs a new pair of BPCs from cashed in Blood Raider and Serpentis LP..... We keep mentioning the reset, but pubbies are ignoring it because it doesn't fit into there all-blue-nullsec narrative. I also find it especially funny that some think HBC would completely trounce CFC in a full on sov war, and that half the map under HBC would some how be an improvement over the much maligned CFC/HBC pact. My take is that a blue'd up nullsec is only bad when Goons happen to be blue too. I wonder how many pubbies would be completely lost if you just changed corp/alliance names with the same people then show them a SOV map with none of the current names on it. Who would they hate then? They would look for the mittani alts (everyone) and then hate them (again, everyone). Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
284
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Posted - 2013.01.24 22:50:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:So has anyone in this thread mentioned that TEST and Goons have reset each other and goons are actively camping Fountain and Delve killing any TEST they come across? It's making it hard on those of us who use Fountain and Delve npc space for mission running. someone make them kiss and make up, mama needs a new pair of BPCs from cashed in Blood Raider and Serpentis LP..... We keep mentioning the reset, but pubbies are ignoring it because it doesn't fit into there all-blue-nullsec narrative. I also find it especially funny that some think HBC would completely trounce CFC in a full on sov war, and that half the map under HBC would some how be an improvement over the much maligned CFC/HBC pact. My take is that a blue'd up nullsec is only bad when Goons happen to be blue too. I wonder how many pubbies would be completely lost if you just changed corp/alliance names with the same people then show them a SOV map with none of the current names on it. Who would they hate then? They would look for the mittani alts (everyone) and then hate them (again, everyone).
Mittani's alt whining at mittani for not starting a war VS mittani's alt.
Gotta love pubbies. |

Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
755
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Posted - 2013.01.24 23:54:00 -
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Nullbears, nuff said. EvE isn't game, its style of living. |

Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.01.25 00:06:00 -
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Tarvos Telesto wrote:Nullbears, nuff said.
Yah, those lazy nullbears, who between the 2 blocs ground through some 8 regions in the past year.
If you scrubs on the sidelines are so desperate for a sov grind, go buy some SBUs and get to work. The rest of us are going to enjoy the fruits of our labors. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3283
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Posted - 2013.01.25 00:48:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Tarvos Telesto wrote:Nullbears, nuff said. Yah, those lazy nullbears, who between the 2 blocs ground through some 8 regions in the past year. If you scrubs on the sidelines are so desperate for a sov grind, go buy some SBUs and get to work. The rest of us are going to enjoy the fruits of our labors. Delicious SBUs. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
310
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Posted - 2013.01.25 01:06:00 -
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Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0 Oh yeah, I'll be first in line to get podded, seriously when is Goonswarm gonna come to Jita again I wanted to see the goon fleet but missed burn jita...I just don't want to get podded by a pis s ant scrub I want to be ripped to bits by a fleet. |

Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
247
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Posted - 2013.01.25 04:20:00 -
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Evander Armistice wrote:So you are going to get into a little tiff with TEST, neither party is risking anything or losing anything. All losses can and will be replaced with moon-goo income. Both parties are blaming games mechanics for the making sov war a grind. I have heard similar rationalizations from hi-sec players that have been ganked and then blame CCP for bad game design.
It's not even a little tiff, it's just the removal of an existing relationship.
Of course, some of us are disappointed we didn't wind up in a horrible grindy foreverwar.
Come back Molle, we need you to be terrible at Eve Online again.
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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1533
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Posted - 2013.01.25 04:27:00 -
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Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0
It didn't quite work out like you imagined last time. But don't let that stop you from dreaming.
Don't let them EVER take your dreams away from you. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |

Zol Interbottom
Nanotrasen Inc
143
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Posted - 2013.01.25 04:43:00 -
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Burn Jita please |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1361
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Posted - 2013.01.25 04:53:00 -
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Tarvos Telesto wrote:Nullbears, nuff said.
Please tell me this is a cyno alt. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3284
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Posted - 2013.01.25 05:03:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Tarvos Telesto wrote:Nullbears, nuff said. Please tell me this is a cyno alt. Better reject the application, might be an awoxer. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1362
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Posted - 2013.01.25 05:03:00 -
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Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:I got the same impression as Dinsdale Pirannha: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The mentality in high sec and null sec is the same. It has always been the same when it comes to wealth generation. [...] The sov null sec bunch are just as risk adverse as any high sec group. Winning is when you maintain tech and power sounds the same to me like winning is when you have the highest isk/hour ratio.
All the tengu's in the world won't win a war if you show up with armor reps. Many of the old defeated alliances that are now skulking around in crappy space are wealthy beyond the pale. The real trick is spending it wisely. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3284
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Posted - 2013.01.25 05:06:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:I got the same impression as Dinsdale Pirannha: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The mentality in high sec and null sec is the same. It has always been the same when it comes to wealth generation. [...] The sov null sec bunch are just as risk adverse as any high sec group. Winning is when you maintain tech and power sounds the same to me like winning is when you have the highest isk/hour ratio. All the tengu's in the world won't win a war if you show up with armor reps. Many of the old defeated alliances that are now skulking around in crappy space are wealthy beyond the pale. The real trick is spending it wisely. We're winning, according to the EVEO pubbies. Rejoice ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1363
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Posted - 2013.01.25 05:14:00 -
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If you guys just wanted to see Goons shooting Test and Test shooting Goons, this is actually happening right now. There's about a half dozen marauding bands of goons wandering through test space and vice versa. We're shooting eachother. We're just not doing the structure grind. |

Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.01.25 05:28:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0 It didn't quite work out like you imagined last time. But don't let that stop you from dreaming. Don't let them EVER take your dreams away from you.
You are right. It worked out better than we imagined. |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
758
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Posted - 2013.01.25 05:54:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:lots of words that i didn't read.
Glad to see you have finally admitted your own ignorance at last.
EvE Forum Bingo |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3284
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Posted - 2013.01.25 06:05:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:If you guys just wanted to see Goons shooting Test and Test shooting Goons, this is actually happening right now. There's about a half dozen marauding bands of goons wandering through test space and vice versa. We're shooting eachother. We're just not doing the structure grind. Boat must be disappointed, after his dreams of the wonderful test reinforce timers. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Dave Stark
1679
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Posted - 2013.01.25 08:49:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Dave Stark wrote:lots of words that i didn't read. Glad to see you have finally admitted your own ignorance at last.
considering you were replying to a point i didn't make i felt justified ignoring your response. it was irrelevant. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |

Kalle Demos
Ironic Corp Name
52
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Posted - 2013.01.25 11:10:00 -
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OP is not allowed to post on his main due to rules and regulations in the child friendly, internet spaceship alliance GSF.
This thread needs to be on CAOD, so we dont have so many whiny, generic alts spamming.
As for this 'war' understand that while TEST are emo over FA for some random reason, TEST leadership still brown nose GSF leadership, so what will happen is a few fleet attacks here and there, maybe a jump bridge down, after all "NO LIMITS TO WHAT YOU CAN ATTACK" means "NO LIMITS UNTIL WE ARE BLUE AND SUCKING EACH OTHER OFF WHILE PRINTING ISK".
I think both powerblocs should just kiss and make up now rather than in 2 weeks when everyone is bored, I dont say this as a fan of either side but lets be honest, sov mechanics are a joke and a random skirmish here and there isnt worthy of a thread.
Who really wants to spend their free time shooting structures? Clearly it must be majority of EVE players, after all its the only reason CCP would not focus on fixing 0.0
CFC, HBC, Solar, Nulli etc The only real efficient way to make CCP give two fucks about 0.0 is if you immediately NAP each other, sell moon goo at 10x the price and clog empire with your blobs. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3284
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Posted - 2013.01.25 13:03:00 -
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Kalle Demos wrote:Then again who really wants to spend their free time shooting structures? Clearly it must be majority of EVE players, after all its the only reason CCP would not focus on fixing 0.0
CFC, HBC, Solar, Nulli etc The only real efficient way to make CCP give two fucks about 0.0 is if you immediately NAP each other, sell moon goo at 10x the price and clog empire with your blobs. It it came to it, I guess Boat is an amazing role model for all of us, inspiring his followers to shoot structures.
Would clogging empire and price gauging on tech result in amazing tears? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
965
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Posted - 2013.01.25 15:18:00 -
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I must congratulate goons and test on creating the largest Red v Blue outings ever witnessed.
It must feel great to be blowing up each other's T1 ships, with the occasional T2 thrown in for good measure. Tell me, do the themepark rules state you can't blow up each other's supercaps as well, or is it limited to strictly no attacking the wealth generation mechanisms?
You know, if you just want good fights, I am sure there are many people in Syndicate that would welcome your elite fighting fleets. You want to prove how hard core you are? How about waging a campaign to inflict, say 50 billion ISK in ship losses in Syndicate?
And say you take 100 billion in losses doing that. How many hours of moon goo production is that for test, goons, and PL combined? Four, maybe six hours?
The tech must flow. |
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