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Mac Omac
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.01.23 06:03:00 -
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http://evenews24.com/2013/01/22/raw-the-nullsec-big-blue-donut-stays-pretty-much-the-same/#idc-cover
Null is saved!
Post how happy/thankful/glad you are that null will remain a peaceful place under the control, dominance, guidence and diligent governance of the CFC and HBC
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2615
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Posted - 2013.01.23 06:14:00 -
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speak for yourself NPC corper |
Kamden Line
Lightbringer's Sanctuary RAZOR Alliance
100
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Posted - 2013.01.23 06:59:00 -
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This really says a lot about EVE that the sovereignty mechanics suck so hard that even Montolio deliberately provoking war failed to start one.
Seriously CCP, Fix Sov mechanics so my balls can stop being so blue. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1651
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Posted - 2013.01.23 07:04:00 -
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So Null makes the news again with articles like
"So unbelievably boring" and "What...PvP never heard of it"
Yeah Null makes wonderful advertising for EvE, I suppose they could sell it to insomniacs to put them to sleep. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
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Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.01.23 07:12:00 -
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*flips table* awwww come on now! A little war is good for everyone... Nullsec is now far more safer than highsec officially. Time to bump some miners...... Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
413
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Posted - 2013.01.23 07:17:00 -
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The markets say: War. I hear the drums... _______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime. |
Garia666
CyberShield Inc C0VEN
26
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Posted - 2013.01.23 07:19:00 -
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fecking *****`s |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2151
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Posted - 2013.01.23 07:53:00 -
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Huge sigh of relief from Caldari State lol |
Xinivrae
281
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Posted - 2013.01.23 08:02:00 -
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Ryuu Shi wrote:Nullsec is now far more safer than highsec officially. Time to bump some miners......
Cute, but you guys in highsec are still the bottom of the barrel. Sorry. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6430
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Posted - 2013.01.23 08:11:00 -
[10] - Quote
there is already a thread about this in CAOD ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3433
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Posted - 2013.01.23 08:12:00 -
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It's CCP's fault for making sov mechanics so utterly **** that we'll avert going to war, which is supposed to be fun, so that we don't have to go through them. This needs to change NOW rather than later. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm Want to enable BBcode on the forums? Here's how. |
Lee Mcgee
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
3
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Posted - 2013.01.23 08:17:00 -
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If this is true I'm damn unhappy. I was hoping it would of kicked off this week. Was really looking forward to a deployment up North. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6430
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Posted - 2013.01.23 08:19:00 -
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but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0 ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
910
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Posted - 2013.01.23 08:19:00 -
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It's rather unfortunate that news in EVE these days basically amounts to "and nothing continued to happen in nullsec, because sov mechanics"
but the upside of that is people may get bored and start more hulkageddon style events |
Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial
752
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Posted - 2013.01.23 08:20:00 -
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sad. i was looking forward to some new reading material for awhile. general discussion has been ever so drab lately. |
I dont troll
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.01.23 08:25:00 -
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and the boring NAP/NIP-fest carries on like nothing ever happened |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
202
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Posted - 2013.01.23 08:53:00 -
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I have faith in Montolio's ability to **** people off... this will happen eventually. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
enterprisePSI
168
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Posted - 2013.01.23 09:57:00 -
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34. War is good for business. The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi-¬
I made tweet, Y U NO FOLLOW!!! |
Gerard Hareka
State Protectorate Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.01.23 10:08:00 -
[19] - Quote
enterprisePSI wrote:34. War is good for business.
In EVE peace is good for business.
Tech moons + bots = RMT.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7295
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Posted - 2013.01.23 10:20:00 -
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Kamden Line wrote:This really says a lot about EVE that the sovereignty mechanics suck so hard that even Montolio deliberately provoking war failed to start one.
Seriously CCP, Fix Sov mechanics so my balls can stop being so blue.
This.
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7295
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Posted - 2013.01.23 10:21:00 -
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Gerard Hareka wrote:enterprisePSI wrote:34. War is good for business. In EVE peace is good for business. Tech moons + bots = RMT.
A piercing strategic-economic insight from this rising star of the Caldari Navy military. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Mhax Arthie
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.01.23 10:27:00 -
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Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0 There is no Jita in null, so no way you have such a cool content there.
But +1 for the idea, I strongly support an incursions event in high sec by the bad guys from null. Sansha is getting old and obsolete anyway :/ And bring cookies! :P |
Terrorfrodo
378
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Posted - 2013.01.23 10:47:00 -
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CCP needs to find ways to make people hate each other again. Nullsec war without hatred for your enemies is kinda pointless.
Maybe CCP could drop DUST and integrate EVE with some dubious dating sites instead. Then alliance leaders could hook up with the wives of their enemies and make them cheat. Voila, endless war ensues. . |
Gerard Hareka
State Protectorate Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.01.23 10:52:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
A piercing strategic-economic insight from this rising star of the Caldari Navy military.
Point data presented is what is important.
Your argument ad hominem is what is irrelevant ( as you )
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Ildryn
The Inf1dels
73
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Posted - 2013.01.23 11:08:00 -
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Mac Omac wrote:http://evenews24.com/2013/01/22/raw-the-nullsec-big-blue-donut-stays-pretty-much-the-same/#idc-cover Null is saved! Be glad our overlords have decided not to bring confusion, pain, war, and death to 0.0 space since such ancient relics of the dark days are no longer needed in the new peaceful 0.0 envisioned by the overlords of null, be thankful plebs REJOICE! \o\ \O/ /0/
How is this relevant to someone that has never been out of a npc corp and likely has never undocked?
Mac Omac Security Status 0.0
Science and Trade Institute [STI] Member for 2 months, 13 days |
terzho
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
103
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Posted - 2013.01.23 11:13:00 -
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Well time to get back to fighting Solar I guess....... |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
261
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Posted - 2013.01.23 11:17:00 -
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Nullsec is a RMT joke. And not finding anything better to do, they are ruining the game experience for low and highsec inhabitants. Nullsec bigheads dont care about the game at all. They care only for their pockets. LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Dave Stark
1656
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Posted - 2013.01.23 11:30:00 -
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i'm sorely disappointed with this. i think hbc vs cfc could have been one of the most, if not the most, interesting conflicts in eve history. however, no, structure grinding is **** and people would rather keep the game dull than endure the even more dull mechanic of sov warfare. nice.
i hope ccp are taking note that sov mechanics have just put every one doing something that could have been historic. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
201
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Posted - 2013.01.23 11:30:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:CCP needs to find ways to make people hate each other again. Nullsec war without hatred for your enemies is kinda pointless.
Maybe CCP could drop DUST and integrate EVE with some dubious dating sites instead. Then alliance leaders could hook up with the wives of their enemies and make them cheat. Voila, endless war ensues.
Anyone that has been in a long term relationship will eventually reach a point of hoping and praying that someone will take the ***** off his hands for a while... so this idea would not work out too well. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6433
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Posted - 2013.01.23 11:33:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:Nullsec is a RMT joke. And not finding anything better to do, they are ruining the game experience for low and highsec inhabitants. Nullsec bigheads dont care about the game at all. They care only for their pockets.
Since you posted the exact same thing in CAOD, you clearly have solid, irrefutable evidence supporting your claims and should pass it on to CCP. Otherwise, you'd be posting rumors, which is against the forum rules! ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
261
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Posted - 2013.01.23 12:06:00 -
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Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Nullsec is a RMT joke. And not finding anything better to do, they are ruining the game experience for low and highsec inhabitants. Nullsec bigheads dont care about the game at all. They care only for their pockets. Since you posted the exact same thing in CAOD, you clearly have solid, irrefutable evidence supporting your claims and should pass it on to CCP. Otherwise, you'd be posting rumors, which is against the forum rules!
oh pls... LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6434
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Posted - 2013.01.23 12:21:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:oh pls...
So your claim about RMT is completely based on hearsay? Wow, I'm shocked! ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
261
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Posted - 2013.01.23 12:40:00 -
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Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:oh pls... So your claim about RMT is completely based on hearsay? Wow, I'm shocked!
What the hell, all goonies on these forums are delusional. But i think i know what is going on here. In reality u guys are not that stupid, u are just pretending to be. Hmmm, ok than i ll play that game also.
"RMT in my EVE. No way! Such a thing is just not possible. Bots in 0.0 and technetium RMTed?!?! U guys must be kidding. And even it is so, there is no way possible of nullsec Alliance leaders to know anything about it."
See i could be a goonie also. It is really not that hard. LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7302
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Posted - 2013.01.23 12:42:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:oh pls... So your claim about RMT is completely based on hearsay? Wow, I'm shocked! What the hell, all goonies on these forums are delusional. But i think i know what is going on here. In reality u guys are not that stupid, u are just pretending to be. Hmmm, ok than i ll play that game also. "RMT in my EVE. No way! Such a thing is just not possible. Bots in 0.0 and technetium RMTed?!?! U guys must be kidding. And even it is so, there is no way possible of nullsec Alliance leaders to know anything about it." See i could be a goonie also. It is really not that hard.
But you do concede that you don't have any evidence whatsoever, right? Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Speedkermit Damo
Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
30
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Posted - 2013.01.23 12:47:00 -
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Andski wrote:there is already a thread about this in CAOD
People still post there? Don't Panic.
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
261
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Posted - 2013.01.23 12:49:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:oh pls... So your claim about RMT is completely based on hearsay? Wow, I'm shocked! What the hell, all goonies on these forums are delusional. But i think i know what is going on here. In reality u guys are not that stupid, u are just pretending to be. Hmmm, ok than i ll play that game also. "RMT in my EVE. No way! Such a thing is just not possible. Bots in 0.0 and technetium RMTed?!?! U guys must be kidding. And even it is so, there is no way possible of nullsec Alliance leaders to know anything about it." See i could be a goonie also. It is really not that hard. But you do concede that you don't have any evidence whatsoever, right?
Ohh pls...you too? That 0.0 enviroment is really hurting ppl. CCP needs to do smth asap :( LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Dave Stark
1656
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Posted - 2013.01.23 12:54:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:Malcanis wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:oh pls... So your claim about RMT is completely based on hearsay? Wow, I'm shocked! What the hell, all goonies on these forums are delusional. But i think i know what is going on here. In reality u guys are not that stupid, u are just pretending to be. Hmmm, ok than i ll play that game also. "RMT in my EVE. No way! Such a thing is just not possible. Bots in 0.0 and technetium RMTed?!?! U guys must be kidding. And even it is so, there is no way possible of nullsec Alliance leaders to know anything about it." See i could be a goonie also. It is really not that hard. But you do concede that you don't have any evidence whatsoever, right? Ohh pls...you too? That 0.0 enviroment is really hurting ppl. CCP needs to do smth asap :(
and where is your evidence for any of this? "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
261
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Posted - 2013.01.23 12:57:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
and where is your evidence for any of this?
What, of you guys gone nuts. The evidences are all around forums.
LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
752
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:00:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
and where is your evidence for any of this?
What, of you guys gone nuts. The evidences are all around forums. Which forums? Where?
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Dave Stark
1656
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:00:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
and where is your evidence for any of this?
What, of you guys gone nuts. The evidences are all around forums.
please, provide me with a link of a post proving any RMT activity. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
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Evander Armistice
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:07:00 -
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Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0
No...no...no... You should make everyone in hi-sec blue and if someone your size insults you...take it on the chin and refuse to go to war, then those in hi-sec could enjoy the content that is restricted to 0.0.
Oh and bring it. I liked Burn Jita...
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
261
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:09:00 -
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It is funny when u put in a sentence together Nullsec bigheads (and there are many big alliances around there) and RMT u get flamed by Goonwaffe, Dreddit, Vanishing point and from some random ball-less guy posting with his alt char :D LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6435
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:10:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:What, of you guys gone nuts. The evidences are all around forums.
wow that's airtight and you've proved your claims beyond a doubt
write up an email to [email protected], pronto! ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Dave Stark
1656
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:10:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:some random ball-less guy posting with his alt char :D
actually this is my main. i'm not even joking. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Artimis Scout
Wormhole Cartography
4
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:10:00 -
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Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0
You sure you guys want to fight outside your soon to be designated "Warzone"? I mean some people might not stop when they hit hull and your referee won't be there to tell the other to stop shooting at you? So go buzz on back to your little kingdom and run your anomolies and rat in your titans while the people in hi-sec have to dodge gankers, scammers, bumpers, war-decs and everything else that makes this game a PVP game.
Maybe you can get the coalition leaders to all warp to one of your Tech moons and you can all cry about how grinding Soverienty sucks. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
780
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:11:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:So Null makes the news again with articles like
"So unbelievably boring" and "What...PvP never heard of it"
Yeah Null makes wonderful advertising for EvE, I suppose they could sell it to insomniacs to put them to sleep.
They're too busy proving high sec isn't 100% safe , till this point is proven null will be just want they want to ridd from high sec
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
752
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:11:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:It is funny when u put in a sentence together Nullsec bigheads (and there are many big alliances around there) and RMT u get flamed by Goonwaffe, Dreddit, Vanishing point and from some random ball-less guy posting with his alt char :D You get told that you're wrong and invited to prove that you're right.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7307
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:13:00 -
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Evander Armistice wrote:Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0 No...no...no... You should make everyone in hi-sec blue and if someone your size insults you...take it on the chin and refuse to go to war, then those in hi-sec could enjoy the content that is restricted to 0.0. Oh and bring it. I liked Burn Jita...
Andski was joking of course; bringing 6000 to Burn Jita again is a silly idea, a bad strategy and it would never happen.
It would be ~500 for Jita, ~300 for Amarr, ~250 for Rens and Dodixie, and then 50-75 for each of the 50 or 60 busiest mission hubs and travel chokepoints. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Serp Hunter
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:16:00 -
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Mac Omac wrote:http://evenews24.com/2013/01/22/raw-the-nullsec-big-blue-donut-stays-pretty-much-the-same/#idc-cover Null is saved! Be glad our overlords have decided not to bring confusion, pain, war, and death to 0.0 space since such ancient relics of the dark days are no longer needed in the new peaceful 0.0 envisioned by the overlords of null, be thankful plebs REJOICE! \o\ \O/ /0/
lets check PL standings:
NIP to HBC, Goons, NCdot
PL roams around in Supercap gang and everybody has to hide his supers from them. only NCdot or Goons are powerful to attack them, but are NIP HBC, second 10k+ alliance in 0.0, is the meatshield of PL.
= blue 0.0 donut |
Serp Hunter
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:19:00 -
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Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0
that would be very much appreciated, if you dig your own grave faster. Do it now!
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6436
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:19:00 -
[51] - Quote
Artimis Scout wrote:So go buzz on back to your little kingdom and run your anomolies and rat in your titans while the people in hi-sec have to dodge gankers, scammers, bumpers, war-decs and everything else that makes this game a PVP game.
oh man you guys have to deal with suicide gankers, jita scams (how could you possibly avoid those!), bumpers (oh boy!) and swapping between one-man tax haven corps during wardecs
i'm glad we have it so easy in 0.0, we only have to deal with bubbles, hotdrops, awoxers (and they don't have to be in the same corp!) and all of those things that CCP shields you from all while ratting in titans that can't track battleship rats for **** ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6436
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:21:00 -
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Serp Hunter wrote:that would be very much appreciated, if you dig your own grave faster. Do it now!
yeah the last time we did that we had the executive producer of eve online calling it "******* brilliant"
digging our own graves o8m7 ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6436
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:24:00 -
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the difference between 0.0 and hisec is that if you get suicide ganked you already screwed up when the ganker saw your officer fit golem passing through a gate, while in nullsec you're dead the moment you're tackled and there's no insta-gibbing space police to come save you ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
52
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:39:00 -
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Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0
I have been wondering why CfC doesn't come into high, they own enough in null, that wont change. Why don't all those pilots just come to High and out mine, out wardec, out manufacture, all the Highseccers?
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
52
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:44:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0 I have been wondering why CfC doesn't come into high, they own enough in null, that wont change. Why don't all those pilots just come to High and out mine, out wardec, out manufacture, all the Highseccers?
Oh right, because they will not win that fight.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6436
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:51:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:I have been wondering why CfC doesn't come into high, they own enough in null, that wont change. Why don't all those pilots just come to High and out mine, out wardec, out manufacture, all the Highseccers?
what ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
616
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:51:00 -
[57] - Quote
Hooray for diplomacy! Now we can all be friends and go victory lap around in IRC spa...
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
Also, your boobs :o --áCCP Eterne, 2012.11.05 14:50 |
Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
52
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Posted - 2013.01.23 14:01:00 -
[58] - Quote
Andski wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:I have been wondering why CfC doesn't come into high, they own enough in null, that wont change. Why don't all those pilots just come to High and out mine, out wardec, out manufacture, all the Highseccers?
what
Get in your jump clones and come to highsec; start mining all the rocks before the bears can get to them. Use the ISK to buy gank fleets that further degrade bear mining.
"Null sec manufacturing is less profitable because highsec is protected, we nee to change the rules." Well maybe you should just start producing in highsec.
"Can't get bears to come out and fight." Well move some ships down to high and wardec them. And wardec the highsec merc corps. Plenty of targets in highsec.
null sec keeps bitching about not being able to affect highsec, But they won't come down and get involved in that game.
I'm starting to think that the truth is that null-sec players are such a small part of the player base that they would get swallowed up in high. They wouldn't be the center of attention, just another fish in the fish tank.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
Dave Stark
1656
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Posted - 2013.01.23 14:08:00 -
[59] - Quote
for them to outmine the bears they'd have to be in high sec 24/7 due to the cooldown on jump clones. it wouldn't work. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Artimis Scout
Wormhole Cartography
4
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Posted - 2013.01.23 14:11:00 -
[60] - Quote
Andski wrote:
i'm glad we have it so easy in 0.0, we only have to deal with bubbles, hotdrops, awoxers (and they don't have to be in the same corp!) and all of those things that CCP shields you from all while ratting in titans that can't track battleship rats for ****
Dang, well send in your diplomats to stop them from doing that to you. |
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
439
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Posted - 2013.01.23 14:11:00 -
[61] - Quote
Uh-huh. Color me highly unsurprised. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6436
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Posted - 2013.01.23 14:19:00 -
[62] - Quote
Artimis Scout wrote:Andski wrote:
i'm glad we have it so easy in 0.0, we only have to deal with bubbles, hotdrops, awoxers (and they don't have to be in the same corp!) and all of those things that CCP shields you from all while ratting in titans that can't track battleship rats for ****
Dang, well send in your diplomats to stop them from doing that to you.
it's like you don't understand what I was getting at
you're comparing your afk mackinaw getting bumped while you fall for a jita scam to bubbles and hotdrops
lol ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6436
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Posted - 2013.01.23 14:22:00 -
[63] - Quote
i also find it hilarious that you're saying that suicide ganking, which is named as such because of a mechanic meant to discourage nonconsensual PvP in hisec, is part of what makes eve a "pvp game" ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Aliastra Gallente Federation
398
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Posted - 2013.01.23 14:24:00 -
[64] - Quote
It is really simple.... If null sec is too much blue for you, simply go neut in npc corp than +¬veryone is neutral CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS
[url]http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9679/whatihavedoneineve.jpg[/url] |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
539
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Posted - 2013.01.23 14:49:00 -
[65] - Quote
I don-¦t care - we shoot both.
Although I have sympaties for Montolios approach:
Quote: It isn't what I want, but it is what you want. I want war. I want gigantic ******* battles. I want to crash nodes because people are so ******* interested in this ****** game.
I like explosions.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7319
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Posted - 2013.01.23 15:17:00 -
[66] - Quote
Corey Fumimasa wrote:Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0 I have been wondering why CfC doesn't come into high, they own enough in null, that wont change. Why don't all those pilots just come to High and out mine, out wardec, out manufacture, all the Highseccers?
You appear to be laboring under the misconception that we don't do this already with our alts. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Artimis Scout
Wormhole Cartography
5
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Posted - 2013.01.23 15:24:00 -
[67] - Quote
Andski wrote:Artimis Scout wrote:Andski wrote:
i'm glad we have it so easy in 0.0, we only have to deal with bubbles, hotdrops, awoxers (and they don't have to be in the same corp!) and all of those things that CCP shields you from all while ratting in titans that can't track battleship rats for ****
Dang, well send in your diplomats to stop them from doing that to you. it's like you don't understand what I was getting at you're comparing your afk mackinaw getting bumped while you fall for a jita scam to bubbles and hotdrops lol
Ohh I understand. What I am getting at is you guys have blued everybody in Null and can travel from one end of the galaxy to the other without seeing an enemy. You won, you made Null safe for Goons and all the other Brosefs honeybadgers BFFs you have. I was trying to imply that it more dangerous for the average player in Hi-sec than it is for the average Goonie in Null now.
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Signal11th
Against ALL Anomalies
875
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Posted - 2013.01.23 15:56:00 -
[68] - Quote
Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:What, of you guys gone nuts. The evidences are all around forums. wow that's airtight and you've proved your claims beyond a doubt write up an email to [email protected], pronto!
The lady doth protest too much? God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6438
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Posted - 2013.01.23 15:59:00 -
[69] - Quote
Signal11th wrote:The lady doth protest too much?
ahaha don't even try ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Signal11th
Against ALL Anomalies
875
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Posted - 2013.01.23 16:00:00 -
[70] - Quote
Andski wrote:Signal11th wrote:The lady doth protest too much? ahaha don't even try
:-) worth a shot! God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
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Murk Paradox
Dvice Shipyards No Value
243
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Posted - 2013.01.23 16:01:00 -
[71] - Quote
Andski wrote:i also find it hilarious that you're saying that suicide ganking, which is named as such because of a mechanic meant to discourage nonconsensual PvP in hisec, is part of what makes eve a "pvp game"
Almost seems like you'd prefer to not go to war to shoot someone else's property in order to preserve the integrity of OTEC or something.
Or wait, that's right... "mechanics" of sov make's it "boring". Much more fun NOT pvping unless it's agreed I forgot. Nevermind the fact that other ships wouldn't show up to defend or anything. We don't want to step on the toes of our superbff's or insult anyone!
"I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
Signal11th
Against ALL Anomalies
875
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Posted - 2013.01.23 16:07:00 -
[72] - Quote
On a serious note, players only make use of the tools available so if you have to blame someone blame the toolmaker.
Whatever the reason Mont has backed down I think it's safe to assume that everyone knows SOV warefare is so mind-numbingly tedious most people will avoid it at all costs.
You can't blame the people for not really wanting to indulge in hours upon hours of structure grinding. It's a shame as I was hoping for a bit of a scrap on a large scale again but there's always next time. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3460
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Posted - 2013.01.23 16:27:00 -
[73] - Quote
Murk Paradox wrote:[Or wait, that's right... "mechanics" of sov make's it "boring". Much more fun NOT pvping unless it's agreed I forgot. Nevermind the fact that other ships wouldn't show up to defend or anything. We don't want to step on the toes of our superbff's or insult anyone! Maybe we'll just hire you to shoot the structures for us... Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm Want to enable BBcode on the forums? Here's how. |
Mac Omac
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.01.23 16:30:00 -
[74] - Quote
Don't fight it
Let CFC/HBC guide us into a new future
The age of space losing pvp is OVER! |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2153
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Posted - 2013.01.23 16:35:00 -
[75] - Quote
Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0
Make it so CSM Winter 2012 Summit Minutes- "On the subject of vanity items, Two step expressed many player's desire to be able to build a ***** in-áspace." |
Murk Paradox
Dvice Shipyards No Value
243
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Posted - 2013.01.23 16:37:00 -
[76] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:[Or wait, that's right... "mechanics" of sov make's it "boring". Much more fun NOT pvping unless it's agreed I forgot. Nevermind the fact that other ships wouldn't show up to defend or anything. We don't want to step on the toes of our superbff's or insult anyone! Maybe we'll just hire you to shoot the structures for us...
You mean you live in null and don't want to play at null? Shocking. Next it will be CCP's fault based off "mechanics". "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
Murk Paradox
Dvice Shipyards No Value
243
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Posted - 2013.01.23 16:38:00 -
[77] - Quote
No More Heroes wrote:Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0 Make it so
Yes please. I love the fact nullseccers have to go to High to do stuff. It's awesome. (Burn Jita was by far one of the best things I have watched.) "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2401
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Posted - 2013.01.23 16:51:00 -
[78] - Quote
Good.
The more peaceful and boring it is, the easier it is for lone wolves to WH-bridge out to deep null and gather up phat loot while the nullseccers would sooner smack their own mothers before leaving the highsec incursions to hunt down one battle cruiser (if the "intel" channels even knew about it).
Keep being fat stupid and lazy, nullsec. The rest of us who won't join your corps and put up with your drama are having a great time.
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Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
42
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:08:00 -
[79] - Quote
Andski wrote:the difference between 0.0 and hisec is that if you get suicide ganked you already screwed up when the ganker saw your officer fit golem passing through a gate, while in nullsec you're dead the moment you're tackled and there's no insta-gibbing space police to come save you
and there's generally no reason not to gank somebody in a t1 fit ratting talos in 0.0 because you're not exactly trading 10 tornadoes for its fittings
edit: also if nullsec is so safe maybe you should move here where you can apparently run anoms in titans without having to deal with PvP, also "CTAs" are not an excuse since apparently nobody PvPs in 0.0!
I don't know. Seems like you need to patrol your space better.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby" |
Karrl Tian
Exiled Assassins Equestria Alliance
166
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:09:00 -
[80] - Quote
Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0
What, you're gonna crash the node? |
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
961
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:16:00 -
[81] - Quote
It is actually quite enlightening, now that their actions have proven how risk-adverse the null sec power blocs are. "Oh no's, we can't touch each other's infrastructure, because that would hurt."
But given their propaganda machine, I figure they will have buried this little non-war in about a week. |
March rabbit
Aliastra
505
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:17:00 -
[82] - Quote
Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0 so our saviors are failed in providing content? and then all you can is try to scare someone with "6000 tornadoes"?
well. in Dodixie we already has some people providing "content" with chatting and suspect baiting. So nope. Sit on your tech-moons in total-blue 0.0 please
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ElQuirko
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
1016
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:22:00 -
[83] - Quote
Xinivrae wrote: Cute, but you guys in highsec are still the bottom of the barrel. Sorry.
I disagree. I'd say the ego and self-importance that comes from your fake daily risk puts most of you nullpawns at the bottom of the barrel. Fine, then come highseccers, who pray to the gods above them that reside in lowsec. The lowseccers, it must not be forgotten, give apotheosis to those who reside in wormholes. This is the great order of being. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6440
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:43:00 -
[84] - Quote
Captain Tardbar wrote:I don't know. Seems like you need to patrol your space better.
yeah patrolling space really helps when hostiles just sneak through under your noses in bombers
thanks for your insights npc alt guy o8m7 ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
752
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:02:00 -
[85] - Quote
Murk Paradox wrote:Andski wrote:i also find it hilarious that you're saying that suicide ganking, which is named as such because of a mechanic meant to discourage nonconsensual PvP in hisec, is part of what makes eve a "pvp game" Almost seems like you'd prefer to not go to war to shoot someone else's property in order to preserve the integrity of OTEC or something. Or wait, that's right... "mechanics" of sov make's it "boring". Much more fun NOT pvping unless it's agreed I forgot. Nevermind the fact that other ships wouldn't show up to defend or anything. We don't want to step on the toes of our superbff's or insult anyone! Totally innocent question; have you ever participated in a sov war?
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6440
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:02:00 -
[86] - Quote
oh yeah i forgot about nullfied cloaky t3s with covert cyno bonuses coming soon
along with titan ranged blackops BS
yeah patrolling will totally not be useless ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
390
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:06:00 -
[87] - Quote
Im baffled with Montolio actions and attitudes. A guy like that shouldn't even be squad leader. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Murk Paradox
Dvice Shipyards No Value
243
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:09:00 -
[88] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Andski wrote:i also find it hilarious that you're saying that suicide ganking, which is named as such because of a mechanic meant to discourage nonconsensual PvP in hisec, is part of what makes eve a "pvp game" Almost seems like you'd prefer to not go to war to shoot someone else's property in order to preserve the integrity of OTEC or something. Or wait, that's right... "mechanics" of sov make's it "boring". Much more fun NOT pvping unless it's agreed I forgot. Nevermind the fact that other ships wouldn't show up to defend or anything. We don't want to step on the toes of our superbff's or insult anyone! Totally innocent question; have you ever participated in a sov war?
Yes. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
Xtover
Wormholers Anonymous Transmission Lost
84
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:16:00 -
[89] - Quote
Andski wrote:oh yeah i forgot about nullfied cloaky t3s with covert cyno bonuses coming soon
along with titan ranged blackops BS
Please don't stop, I'm already getting.... excited.
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Xenuria
The Scope Gallente Federation
695
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:19:00 -
[90] - Quote
Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0
Please do this! CSM 8 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2402
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:31:00 -
[91] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0 Please do this!
I for one welcome our Nado-spamming nullsec goonstablishment overlards.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
1660
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:25:00 -
[92] - Quote
Mac Omac wrote: Can you imagine a day where forum beefs/arguments/trolls/flames are no more, and are replaced by loving, kind words expressing our positive emotions?
This one made me laugh. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7343
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:31:00 -
[93] - Quote
Murk Paradox wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Andski wrote:i also find it hilarious that you're saying that suicide ganking, which is named as such because of a mechanic meant to discourage nonconsensual PvP in hisec, is part of what makes eve a "pvp game" Almost seems like you'd prefer to not go to war to shoot someone else's property in order to preserve the integrity of OTEC or something. Or wait, that's right... "mechanics" of sov make's it "boring". Much more fun NOT pvping unless it's agreed I forgot. Nevermind the fact that other ships wouldn't show up to defend or anything. We don't want to step on the toes of our superbff's or insult anyone! Totally innocent question; have you ever participated in a sov war? Yes.
Your lifetime record of 10 kills and 21 losses, all in T1 sub-BS ships in Empire suggests otherwise. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
252
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:33:00 -
[94] - Quote
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/1977/imagep5gx.gif "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg |
Merelle
Sisters Association
2
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Posted - 2013.01.23 20:01:00 -
[95] - Quote
Back to the original subject. While most people here seem to have accepted the GSF-spin on the matter, quite a different picture emerge if listening to neutral sources. Apparently, the Mittani has had his eyes on Test for quite some time now. GSF and Test have quite the similar structure and culture which means that Test would be the ideal procurement as GSF could swallow them whole with very little adjustments.
What actually transpired the last few weeks was the advancement of an elaborate scheme to discredit and dispose of Montolio, the leader of Test. If this fails, rumor has it that what been named "case blue" will spring into action.
Pease in our time?
no i dont think so.
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Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
176
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Posted - 2013.01.23 20:16:00 -
[96] - Quote
Just Rvb it for now, Goons are blue, Test is red, everybody in frigs and fight, meet in syndicate, atleast its something for now, blow off some steam, have fun in the process
Edit: just think of it, the biggest frig fight in EvE history. New Player retention is important to our community. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
369
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Posted - 2013.01.23 20:23:00 -
[97] - Quote
Sandbox is apparently not quite sandy enough for bloated bureaucracies.
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Ryuji Takemiya
Omni Tech Industries Initiative Associates
19
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Posted - 2013.01.23 20:33:00 -
[98] - Quote
Merelle wrote:Back to the original subject. While most people here seem to have accepted the GSF-spin on the matter, quite a different picture emerge if listening to neutral sources. Apparently, the Mittani has had his eyes on Test for some time now. GSF and Test have rather similar structure and culture which means that Test would be the ideal procurement as GSF could swallow them whole with very little adjustments.
What actually transpired the last few weeks was the advancement of an elaborate scheme to discredit and dispose of Montolio, the leader of Test. If this fails, rumor has it that what been named "case blue" will spring into action.
Peace in our time?
no i dont think so.
That's a bit more tinfoil than I'm comfortable with, but I would say that TEST definately took a hit from all the sabre-rattling. Montolio blew the conch shell and his people didn't show up to back him. That's the perceived view here, making CFC not only look strong; but then throwing in some Red vs Blue action to placate the masses too.
Certainly a meta-gaming masterstroke by Mittani. Congradulations on the maneuver |
Gianna Thirostin
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.01.23 20:36:00 -
[99] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:It is actually quite enlightening, now that their actions have proven how risk-adverse the null sec power blocs are. "Oh no's, we can't touch each other's infrastructure, because that would hurt."
But given their propaganda machine, I figure they will have buried this little non-war in about a week.
Nah, they dont want it buried. They timed it so they could point at this "attempt at war" as the reason CCP should "fix sov" this summer when its their content that made null what it is today |
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
176
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Posted - 2013.01.23 20:39:00 -
[100] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Sandbox is apparently not quite sandy enough for bloated bureaucracies.
Are you saying a couple of people are stopping thousands from having fun, nah it can't be New Player retention is important to our community. |
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Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2013.01.23 20:40:00 -
[101] - Quote
Xpaulusx wrote:Just Rvb it for now, Goons are blue, Test is red, everybody in frigs and fight, meet in syndicate, atleast its something for now, blow off some steam, have fun in the process Edit: just think of it, the biggest frig fight in EvE history.
So duel issue is problem ,but arranged fights are not? If you want RvB join them.
Anyway consensual pvp will be now cool I guess,even people that spited on that the most are now ok with that since last night .All that cause SOV structure grinding is boring and CCP is to blame cause they will not fight awww.
Funny they didnt had problem with structures in other regions ,but hey go figure.
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Dave Stark
1660
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Posted - 2013.01.23 20:49:00 -
[102] - Quote
Ana Fox wrote:Funny they didnt had problem with structures in other regions ,but hey go figure. you don't stop playing a game just because the mechanics are horrible, especially when not playing the game isn't an option. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Murk Paradox
Dvice Shipyards No Value
244
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Posted - 2013.01.23 20:51:00 -
[103] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Andski wrote:i also find it hilarious that you're saying that suicide ganking, which is named as such because of a mechanic meant to discourage nonconsensual PvP in hisec, is part of what makes eve a "pvp game" Almost seems like you'd prefer to not go to war to shoot someone else's property in order to preserve the integrity of OTEC or something. Or wait, that's right... "mechanics" of sov make's it "boring". Much more fun NOT pvping unless it's agreed I forgot. Nevermind the fact that other ships wouldn't show up to defend or anything. We don't want to step on the toes of our superbff's or insult anyone! Totally innocent question; have you ever participated in a sov war? Yes. Your lifetime record of 10 kills and 21 losses, all in T1 sub-BS ships in Empire suggests otherwise.
If you look up my post history, I did mention playing Eve when it first came out while I was playing Everquest. This account is only going on 7 months old, and not based on pvp (which I end up doing anyways). "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2013.01.23 20:52:00 -
[104] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Ana Fox wrote:Funny they didnt had problem with structures in other regions ,but hey go figure. you don't stop playing a game just because the mechanics are horrible, especially when not playing the game isn't an option.
Yes ofc ,but you cant say that is main reason like it was all over forum today . |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
381
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Posted - 2013.01.23 20:56:00 -
[105] - Quote
Gianna Thirostin wrote:Nah, they dont want it buried. They timed it so they could point at this "attempt at war" as the reason CCP should "fix sov" this summer when its their content that made null what it is today From what I gather this little spat has been brewing since June/July of 2012. That is a lot of tinfoil for a long con, to show CCP how bad Dominion sov sucks.
CCP Greyscale wrote:GÇóMaking something tedious will not stop players doing it if it's very clearly the best option. They'll do it, and they'll hate it GůŞSee: everything involving starbases, Dominion sov warfare.
Clearly the best option was to NOT go to war, if at all possible, otherwise we would be seeing people blow up structures cause it's "fun" and not an eye gougingly tedious grind. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Dave Stark
1660
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Posted - 2013.01.23 21:04:00 -
[106] - Quote
Ana Fox wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Ana Fox wrote:Funny they didnt had problem with structures in other regions ,but hey go figure. you don't stop playing a game just because the mechanics are horrible, especially when not playing the game isn't an option. Yes ofc ,but you cant say that is main reason like it was all over forum today .
sure it is. people want to blow each other up, and sov mechanics are crap. that's why instead of invading each other they're going to turn up to a set location at a set time and then shoot each other rather than "playing the game properly" "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Myrissa Kistel
Planetary Logistics
16
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Posted - 2013.01.23 21:33:00 -
[107] - Quote
Soooo is this the thread where the Null Sec people are telling the Hi Sec people they are playing wrong or the one where Hi sec people are telling the Null Sec people they are playing wrong.
I got lost, sorry. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
961
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Posted - 2013.01.23 21:48:00 -
[108] - Quote
Myrissa Kistel wrote:Soooo is this the thread where the Null Sec people are telling the Hi Sec people they are playing wrong or the one where Hi sec people are telling the Null Sec people they are playing wrong.
I got lost, sorry.
The mentality in high sec and null sec is the same. It has always been the same when it comes to wealth generation.
Don't go to war if the price in lost income or assets outweighs the potential "fun" in a fight.
Null sec just does not want that fact widely known within the game's community. It ruins the image they have carefully cultivated as some hard core crew.
Only people who can say they are hard core are some of the RP FW guys, the inhabitants of faction null sec, and most wh crews.
The sov null sec bunch are just as risk adverse as any high sec group. This week's events prove that. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
939
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Posted - 2013.01.23 21:52:00 -
[109] - Quote
Cute, but you guys in highsec are still the bottom of the barrel. Sorry.[/quote]
That would depend upon which way up the barrel is when one is looking at it. This is not a signature. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
939
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Posted - 2013.01.23 21:54:00 -
[110] - Quote
Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0
Do. This is not a signature. |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2259
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Posted - 2013.01.23 22:00:00 -
[111] - Quote
Boooorrrrriiiinnnnggggg....
Boooorrrrriiiinnnnggggg....
Boooorrrrriiiinnnnggggg....
...now back to the conformal grey goo that is nullsec.
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Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
272
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Posted - 2013.01.23 22:14:00 -
[112] - Quote
I guess they can go back to moaning about highsec players unwillingness to engage them in non-consensual PvP.
While carrying on making huge amounts of isk in super-safe null space! |
S'Way
Bitter Vets
441
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Posted - 2013.01.23 22:40:00 -
[113] - Quote
Given what happened the last time PL tried to headshot VFK, plus the fact they'd be facing the sov grinding behemoth of DBRB, it was never going to come to a full on sov-war. Suprirsed anyone thought otherwise really.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
754
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Posted - 2013.01.23 22:51:00 -
[114] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:please, provide me with a link of a post proving any RMT activity.
Google search for "eve rmt" yields 1,350,000 results. Hmmm let's see...
How about CCP's own devblog where the claim to have banned 6200 RMTers back in 2009?
Nice little article on the magnitude of botting and CCP's campaign against RMT. Be sure to read the first comment.
Or heck, just skip all that and head straight over to Iskbank and get yourself a proper CCP lifetime banning if you really want to test the strength of your denial.
Or... and read fast because CCP will no doubt either erase all of this or lock the thread. Sorry. EvE Forum Bingo |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
366
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:12:00 -
[115] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: The sov null sec bunch are just as risk adverse as any high sec group. This week's events prove that.
It isn't risk aversion, it is boredom aversion.
Sov grinding just isn't fun. It is a lot like mining. Lock on to unmoving object and sit there for hours. Boring.
Montolio wanted a sov grind, and all the parties that would end up having to fleet up to do the grinding (GSF and PL) said "No".
Instead, we just reset each other so we can have fun spaceship battles. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1513
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:14:00 -
[116] - Quote
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Instead, we just reset each other so we can have fun spaceship battles.
So, you're both consenting to being attacked?
Iiiiinteresting. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
117
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:16:00 -
[117] - Quote
Anyone who honestly believed that Test or Goons would risk what they are sitting on top of, knowing that the golden well will dry up in a few years (Once CCP is bought out by someone who actually fixes the moon goo situation, or some miracle happens and they listen to the advice of market and trend analysts instead of doing what they think will work), knew that there wouldnt be a war.
Cooler heads were sure to prevail, once each side thought about potential isk disruption. Spice must flow, yo. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
366
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:19:00 -
[118] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Instead, we just reset each other so we can have fun spaceship battles. So, you're both consenting to being attacked? Iiiiinteresting.
That's the idea. So long as it is shooting spaceships and not structures.
Granted, some alliances in CFC have already been neutral to parts of HBC for months now, so for some it is just business as usual. The only real news is avoiding another long boring sov grind. And that is good, because between the 2 blocs, they have ground 8 some regions over the past year. Grinding structures is not the content we want to be creating right now. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
494
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:19:00 -
[119] - Quote
Another terrible thread from another NPC douche...
Ho wait...
No, it's still dam horrible.
GňˇGę¬Gň«n+ęn+¦n++n+¦n+ëGňˇGę¬Gň«-á don't haten++ |
Dave Stark
1661
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:25:00 -
[120] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:Dave Stark wrote:please, provide me with a link of a post proving any RMT activity. Google search for "eve rmt" yields 1,350,000 results. Hmmm let's see... How about CCP's own devblog where the claim to have banned 6200 RMTers back in 2009? Nice little article on the magnitude of botting and CCP's campaign against RMT. Be sure to read the first comment. Or heck, just skip all that and head straight over to Iskbank and get yourself a proper CCP lifetime banning if you really want to test the strength of your denial. Or... and read fast because CCP will no doubt either erase all of this or lock the thread. Sorry.
i wasn't denying that RMT happens.
i was mainly asking the person implying the whole "lets not shoot each other" thing was caused by RMT, of which he provided 0 proof (probably because there is none) "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
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Mac Omac
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:31:00 -
[121] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Another terrible thread from another NPC douche...
Ho wait...
No, it's still dam horrible.
My fellow NPC alt, REJOICE at the new order and peace in PAX-NULLIA!!!!!! |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
494
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:51:00 -
[122] - Quote
Mac Omac wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Another terrible thread from another NPC douche...
Ho wait...
No, it's still dam horrible. My fellow NPC alt, REJOICE at the new order and peace in PAX-NULLIA!!!!!!
I'm all for peace and love. Specially blonde ladies.
GňˇGę¬Gň«n+ęn+¦n++n+¦n+ëGňˇGę¬Gň«-á don't haten++ |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
588
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Posted - 2013.01.24 00:16:00 -
[123] - Quote
Mac Omac wrote:______________________________________________________________________________________ UPDATE:MY dear capsuleers our nullsec overlords have just agreed to hold the "First Nullsec Pretend Fights Olympic Games"By agreeing to reset each other, they will allow safe fighting, fighting that results in NO sov lost, and NO tech moon loss... some fools may call this meaningless and a waste, but those fools lack the vision to see this is the new null and that they should love it. No more of the chaos from the dark days, No more sov grabbing, No more worrying about losing stations, our dream to finally be a peaceful as the Chinese servers has become a reality! LET NEW PAX-NULLIA BE CELEBRATED BY THE FIRST EVER NULLSEC PRETEND FIGHTS OLYMPIC GAMESKEEP REJOICING \0/ /O/ \o\
lol Null's Special Olympics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuTPGMDAvQs OUR LOGS SHOW NOTHING |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
366
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Posted - 2013.01.24 00:18:00 -
[124] - Quote
Like most nullsec (non)events, my favorite parts are the conspiracy theories thrown around by NPC alts in the the peanut gallery.
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No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2154
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Posted - 2013.01.24 00:24:00 -
[125] - Quote
I had no idea NPC corps and highsec pubbies cared so much about whats going on in 0.0 CSM Winter 2012 Summit Minutes- "On the subject of vanity items, Two step expressed many player's desire to be able to build a ***** in-áspace." |
Google Voices
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.01.24 00:39:00 -
[126] - Quote
Andski wrote:there is already a thread about this in CAOD
Problem is no one reads CAOD, it's a deadzone infested with trolls, much like 0.0....
I am the voices of Google! Want answers? Learn to read...... |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
2534
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Posted - 2013.01.24 01:15:00 -
[127] - Quote
Conspiracy theory: The null-lords are maintaining the status quo and blaming the sov mechanics so that they can pressure CCP into "fixing" sov in such a way that it even further favors them. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
Mac Omac
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.01.24 01:21:00 -
[128] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Conspiracy theory: The null-lords are maintaining the status quo and blaming the sov mechanics so that they can pressure CCP into "fixing" sov in such a way that it even further favors them.
No you soon to be extinct babarian of the dark days of New Eden
The null overlords believe in safe pvp... no more tears, no more lost sov or moons
The PAX-NULLIA has arrived! |
iskflakes
297
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Posted - 2013.01.24 01:54:00 -
[129] - Quote
Technetium, the great conflict driver of our time. Errr, conflict stopper, sorry.
Remind me again why this wasn't nerfed properly back when frozzie was looking at it? - |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3270
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Posted - 2013.01.24 02:18:00 -
[130] - Quote
No More Heroes wrote:I had no idea NPC corps and highsec pubbies cared so much about whats going on in 0.0 There's NPC corp alts afk camping our systems, I saw them yesterday.
I don't know how the random NPC corp person can get a red fleet to go with their cyno, but :getout: Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
381
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Posted - 2013.01.24 02:20:00 -
[131] - Quote
iskflakes wrote:Technetium, the great conflict driver of our time. Errr, conflict stopper, sorry.
Remind me again why this wasn't nerfed properly back when frozzie was looking at it? Cobalt and platinum would like a word with you. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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FourierTransformer
12
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Posted - 2013.01.24 02:56:00 -
[132] - Quote
Staged war games online and consensual pee vee pee for everyone!!!
Wooooooooooooooo! Yeah! Tech is SO not broken. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3270
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:03:00 -
[133] - Quote
Amazing tears here guys. Who would have thought that this time, not using the guns would cause the seas to boil with all the crying. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Vince Snetterton
249
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:06:00 -
[134] - Quote
Mortimer Civeri wrote:iskflakes wrote:Technetium, the great conflict driver of our time. Errr, conflict stopper, sorry.
Remind me again why this wasn't nerfed properly back when frozzie was looking at it? Cobalt and platinum would like a word with you.
Yes, they create a cap on Tech prices, but Tech is still the supreme item since no time/clicks are needed as in alchemy.
If CCP really cared about fixing the game, as opposed to paying lip service while hiring null sec players in droves (Fozzie, Soundwave, Dolan, Screegs, to name a few), they would have implemented ring mining long ago, with randomized locations strewn throughout null sec and deep low sec.
But no, apparently, the coding is too hard.....sure it is.
Breaking the null sec blue NAP's and NIP's are impossible with the current game mechanics. But if you create randomized gold mines (also known as moon goo rings), suddenly their power dissolves, the blue power blocs break up and we will have many more smaller groups running around in null sec. The game becomes more accessible to all.
But this won't happen. |
Tesal
181
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:13:00 -
[135] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Amazing tears here guys. Who would have thought that this time, not using the guns would cause the seas to boil with all the crying.
Thats not tears, thats constipation. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3270
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:18:00 -
[136] - Quote
Vince Snetterton wrote:But if you create randomized gold mines (also known as moon goo rings), suddenly their power dissolves, the blue power blocs break up and we will have many more smaller groups running around in null sec. Really, now ... well I can see you believe it at least. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Vince Snetterton
249
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:25:00 -
[137] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Vince Snetterton wrote:But if you create randomized gold mines (also known as moon goo rings), suddenly their power dissolves, the blue power blocs break up and we will have many more smaller groups running around in null sec. Really, now ... well I can see you believe it at least.
It is not like you guys had any credibility, but after the events of the last 36 hours, your propaganda about risk / reward, and how you only care for the fights, (the control of the the most valuable raw materials in the game was purely incidental), well, that propaganda has a hole in it wide enough for a Titan to sail through.
Bottom line, this stand down was an economic decision, because you didn't want to risk the massive wealth machine. Sorry chum, null sec blue people are as risk adverse, maybe even more so, as any other group in the game. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1660
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:26:00 -
[138] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Vince Snetterton wrote:But if you create randomized gold mines (also known as moon goo rings), suddenly their power dissolves, the blue power blocs break up and we will have many more smaller groups running around in null sec. Really, now ... well I can see you believe it at least. I think he meant to include that other gold mine that needs mining as well, CFCs Wallet balances. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
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Chortle Chortle
0
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:30:00 -
[139] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Amazing tears here guys. Who would have thought that this time, not using the guns would cause the seas to boil with all the crying. Just make sure to livestream your refereed war games so all of eve can see how to do it right. Then the tears will continue to flow, I assure you. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
2970
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:33:00 -
[140] - Quote
Meanwhile, in null space...
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3272
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:34:00 -
[141] - Quote
Chortle Chortle wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Amazing tears here guys. Who would have thought that this time, not using the guns would cause the seas to boil with all the crying. Just make sure to livestream your refereed war games so all of eve can see how to do it right. Then the tears will continue to flow, I assure you. Refereed? Hah, then Boat uses Summon Blob. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Chortle Chortle
0
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:42:00 -
[142] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Chortle Chortle wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Amazing tears here guys. Who would have thought that this time, not using the guns would cause the seas to boil with all the crying. Just make sure to livestream your refereed war games so all of eve can see how to do it right. Then the tears will continue to flow, I assure you. Refereed? Hah, then Boat uses Summon Blob. What if Boat accidentally a structure? Does he get put in the war game penalty box? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3272
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:44:00 -
[143] - Quote
Chortle Chortle wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Chortle Chortle wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Amazing tears here guys. Who would have thought that this time, not using the guns would cause the seas to boil with all the crying. Just make sure to livestream your refereed war games so all of eve can see how to do it right. Then the tears will continue to flow, I assure you. Refereed? Hah, then Boat uses Summon Blob. What if Boat accidentally a structure? Does he get put in the war game penalty box? I think if boat starts shooting a structure everyone will happily immediately blow him up (unless he's in a supercap or something, but maybe even then). Because say no to structures. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Chortle Chortle
0
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:47:00 -
[144] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Chortle Chortle wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Chortle Chortle wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Amazing tears here guys. Who would have thought that this time, not using the guns would cause the seas to boil with all the crying. Just make sure to livestream your refereed war games so all of eve can see how to do it right. Then the tears will continue to flow, I assure you. Refereed? Hah, then Boat uses Summon Blob. What if Boat accidentally a structure? Does he get put in the war game penalty box? I think if boat starts shooting a structure everyone will happily immediately blow him up (unless he's in a supercap or something, but maybe even then). Because say no to structures. So how does the referee decide who won the war game? ~Isk efficiency~ maybe? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3272
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:48:00 -
[145] - Quote
Chortle Chortle wrote:So how does the referee decide who won the war game? ~Isk efficiency~ maybe? Both sides claim they won, while everyone else claims they both lost, because ~CFC~ ~HBC~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Chortle Chortle
0
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:51:00 -
[146] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Chortle Chortle wrote:So how does the referee decide who won the war game? ~Isk efficiency~ maybe? Both sides claim they won, while everyone else claims they both lost, because ~CFC~ ~HBC~ Oh, so we're all winnars? Sweet. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
424
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:55:00 -
[147] - Quote
EvE is a PvP game.
Except when it is not.
Because it is a sandbox.
Except when it is not. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3274
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:58:00 -
[148] - Quote
Chortle Chortle wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Chortle Chortle wrote:So how does the referee decide who won the war game? ~Isk efficiency~ maybe? Both sides claim they won, while everyone else claims they both lost, because ~CFC~ ~HBC~ Oh, so we're all winnars? Sweet. You seem to be an NPC alt, so you should be saying we both fail and aren't really pvping (ie: structures) Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
1295
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:01:00 -
[149] - Quote
Kamden Line wrote:This really says a lot about EVE that the sovereignty mechanics suck so hard that even Montolio deliberately provoking war failed to start one.
Seriously CCP, Fix Sov mechanics so my balls can stop being so blue. This Dual Pane idea: Click!
CCP Please Implement |
Chortle Chortle
0
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Posted - 2013.01.24 05:03:00 -
[150] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Chortle Chortle wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Chortle Chortle wrote:So how does the referee decide who won the war game? ~Isk efficiency~ maybe? Both sides claim they won, while everyone else claims they both lost, because ~CFC~ ~HBC~ Oh, so we're all winnars? Sweet. You seem to be an NPC alt, so you should be saying we both fail and aren't really pvping (ie: structures) Hey, I'm not one to judge. No one likes shooting Pocos. And everyone likes RvB.
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1357
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Posted - 2013.01.24 06:17:00 -
[151] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote: I think if boat starts shooting a structure everyone will happily immediately blow him up (unless he's in a supercap or something, but maybe even then). Because say no to structures.
I got tricked into going on a Vee op a couple of weeks ago where he said we were going to dumpster people and it turned out to be a structure shoot. I honestly don't know who to trust anymore. This is why I packed everyone in Topgoon into carriers and got the hell away from Venal as fast as I could. |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
215
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Posted - 2013.01.24 08:03:00 -
[152] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Myrissa Kistel wrote:Soooo is this the thread where the Null Sec people are telling the Hi Sec people they are playing wrong or the one where Hi sec people are telling the Null Sec people they are playing wrong.
I got lost, sorry. The mentality in high sec and null sec is the same. It has always been the same when it comes to wealth generation. Don't go to war if the price in lost income or assets outweighs the potential "fun" in a fight. Null sec just does not want that fact widely known within the game's community. It ruins the image they have carefully cultivated as some hard core crew. Only people who can say they are hard core are some of the RP FW guys, the inhabitants of faction null sec, and most wh crews. The sov null sec bunch are just as risk adverse as any high sec group. This week's events prove that.
Not really. Up until this event, Mittani still had a pair. Listening to his reasoning, if I didn't know better I would say he reverted back to noob status. Did he actually promise to create a theme park war with rules and fair play? Eeesh.. he is going to get a lot of support from the carebears on this one, this is exactly the kind of game they want... consentual PvP with flowers in our hair where we are all buddies and have a coffee and biscuit afterwards. How quaint. Will you be my friend to Mittani.. you seem so nice now. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
281
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Posted - 2013.01.24 08:35:00 -
[153] - Quote
Kryss Darkdust wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Myrissa Kistel wrote:Soooo is this the thread where the Null Sec people are telling the Hi Sec people they are playing wrong or the one where Hi sec people are telling the Null Sec people they are playing wrong.
I got lost, sorry. The mentality in high sec and null sec is the same. It has always been the same when it comes to wealth generation. Don't go to war if the price in lost income or assets outweighs the potential "fun" in a fight. Null sec just does not want that fact widely known within the game's community. It ruins the image they have carefully cultivated as some hard core crew. Only people who can say they are hard core are some of the RP FW guys, the inhabitants of faction null sec, and most wh crews. The sov null sec bunch are just as risk adverse as any high sec group. This week's events prove that. Not really. Up until this event, Mittani still had a pair. Listening to his reasoning, if I didn't know better I would say he reverted back to noob status. Did he actually promise to create a theme park war with rules and fair play? Eeesh.. he is going to get a lot of support from the carebears on this one, this is exactly the kind of game they want... consentual PvP with flowers in our hair where we are all buddies and have a coffee and biscuit afterwards. How quaint. Will you be my friend to Mittani.. you seem so nice now. Have you at any point in your Eve career participated in a sov war?
It starts like this thing we just averted. Things escalate for good or bad reasons, everyone gets psyched up, except the guys running the logistics of this whole thing "enablers" i think is the term CCP uses, who probably sigh loudly, tie a noose around their ceiling fan, hold a gun up to their head, sigh again, open up a bottle of vodka, and start the process of "enabling" what happens next. Everyone else is like HELL YEAH LETS DO THIS. The Mittani says some :words: like a judge handing down a sentence, and everyone pops into their alphafleet ship and fleets up and sits on a titan and we're all like HELL YES FINALLY GONNA GO TO OWNTOWN, and then the FC is like BRIDGE BRIDGE BRIDGE and then you load into the next system and you're 40km from an enemy pos and then boat shows up if he wasn't there already and starts talking, and at this point someone is still going "they'll show up, just keep shooting", but you may or may not hear him because boat is definitely still talking, and when the last gun in the pos goes into reinforced, you jump to the next system and do this again, and at this point leadership has abandoned all pretense of a fight happening and are like "come on guys, we only have 30 more systems to do this in".
That's goon sov war in a sub-cap. I don't know what it's like in a capital ship, but I imagine its just the same but worse.
Edit: Two hours into the fleet, everyone is masturbating or watching movies while AFK anchored. Pornography starts getting posted, and Mumble goes silent, except for boat. |
Signal11th
Against ALL Anomalies
877
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Posted - 2013.01.24 08:40:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Kryss Darkdust wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Myrissa Kistel wrote:Soooo is this the thread where the Null Sec people are telling the Hi Sec people they are playing wrong or the one where Hi sec people are telling the Null Sec people they are playing wrong.
I got lost, sorry. The mentality in high sec and null sec is the same. It has always been the same when it comes to wealth generation. Don't go to war if the price in lost income or assets outweighs the potential "fun" in a fight. Null sec just does not want that fact widely known within the game's community. It ruins the image they have carefully cultivated as some hard core crew. Only people who can say they are hard core are some of the RP FW guys, the inhabitants of faction null sec, and most wh crews. The sov null sec bunch are just as risk adverse as any high sec group. This week's events prove that. Not really. Up until this event, Mittani still had a pair. Listening to his reasoning, if I didn't know better I would say he reverted back to noob status. Did he actually promise to create a theme park war with rules and fair play? Eeesh.. he is going to get a lot of support from the carebears on this one, this is exactly the kind of game they want... consentual PvP with flowers in our hair where we are all buddies and have a coffee and biscuit afterwards. How quaint. Will you be my friend to Mittani.. you seem so nice now. Have you at any point in your Eve career participated in a sov war? It starts like this thing we just averted. Things escalate for good or bad reasons, everyone gets psyched up, except the guys running the logistics of this whole thing "enablers" i think is the term CCP uses, who probably sigh loudly, tie a noose around their ceiling fan, hold a gun up to their head, sigh again, open up a bottle of vodka, and start the process of "enabling" what happens next. Everyone else is like HELL YEAH LETS DO THIS. The Mittani says some :words: like a judge handing down a sentence, and everyone pops into their alphafleet ship and fleets up and sits on a titan and we're all like HELL YES FINALLY GONNA GO TO OWNTOWN, and then the FC is like BRIDGE BRIDGE BRIDGE and then you load into the next system and you're 40km from an enemy pos and then boat shows up if he wasn't there already and starts talking, and at this point someone is still going "they'll show up, just keep shooting", but you may or may not hear him because boat is definitely still talking, and when the last gun in the pos goes into reinforced, you jump to the next system and do this again, and at this point leadership has abandoned all pretense of a fight happening and are like "come on guys, we only have 30 more systems to do this in". That's goon sov war in a sub-cap. I don't know what it's like in a capital ship, but I imagine its just the same but worse.
As above, SOV war is one of the most tedious things to do in EVE. I've been on the winning side (rarely) and the loosing side (mostly) but whichever way it rolls for you it's still fecking boring. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
284
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Posted - 2013.01.24 08:51:00 -
[155] - Quote
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Kryss Darkdust wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Myrissa Kistel wrote:Soooo is this the thread where the Null Sec people are telling the Hi Sec people they are playing wrong or the one where Hi sec people are telling the Null Sec people they are playing wrong.
I got lost, sorry. The mentality in high sec and null sec is the same. It has always been the same when it comes to wealth generation. Don't go to war if the price in lost income or assets outweighs the potential "fun" in a fight. Null sec just does not want that fact widely known within the game's community. It ruins the image they have carefully cultivated as some hard core crew. Only people who can say they are hard core are some of the RP FW guys, the inhabitants of faction null sec, and most wh crews. The sov null sec bunch are just as risk adverse as any high sec group. This week's events prove that. Not really. Up until this event, Mittani still had a pair. Listening to his reasoning, if I didn't know better I would say he reverted back to noob status. Did he actually promise to create a theme park war with rules and fair play? Eeesh.. he is going to get a lot of support from the carebears on this one, this is exactly the kind of game they want... consentual PvP with flowers in our hair where we are all buddies and have a coffee and biscuit afterwards. How quaint. Will you be my friend to Mittani.. you seem so nice now. Have you at any point in your Eve career participated in a sov war? It starts like this thing we just averted. Things escalate for good or bad reasons, everyone gets psyched up, except the guys running the logistics of this whole thing "enablers" i think is the term CCP uses, who probably sigh loudly, tie a noose around their ceiling fan, hold a gun up to their head, sigh again, open up a bottle of vodka, and start the process of "enabling" what happens next. Everyone else is like HELL YEAH LETS DO THIS. The Mittani says some :words: like a judge handing down a sentence, and everyone pops into their alphafleet ship and fleets up and sits on a titan and we're all like HELL YES FINALLY GONNA GO TO OWNTOWN, and then the FC is like BRIDGE BRIDGE BRIDGE and then you load into the next system and you're 40km from an enemy pos and then boat shows up if he wasn't there already and starts talking, and at this point someone is still going "they'll show up, just keep shooting", but you may or may not hear him because boat is definitely still talking, and when the last gun in the pos goes into reinforced, you jump to the next system and do this again, and at this point leadership has abandoned all pretense of a fight happening and are like "come on guys, we only have 30 more systems to do this in". That's goon sov war in a sub-cap. I don't know what it's like in a capital ship, but I imagine its just the same but worse. Edit: Two hours into the fleet, everyone is masturbating or watching movies while AFK anchored. Pornography starts getting posted, and Mumble goes silent, except for boat.
So once the novelty of a huge fleet wears off, it's like forming a large group to go bash your head on a wall together untill it fall down and not very often a bricklayer shows up to defend his wall. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6452
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Posted - 2013.01.24 08:52:00 -
[156] - Quote
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:That's goon sov war in a sub-cap. I don't know what it's like in a capital ship, but I imagine its just the same but worse.
"Lock the ihub, launch bombers" "Cap up" "It's dead pull bombers" "Cyno up jump" "Lock the ihub, launch bombers" "Cap up" "It's dead pull bombers" "Cyno up jump" "Stop linking that food **** blog" ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
281
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Posted - 2013.01.24 09:07:00 -
[157] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Kryss Darkdust wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Myrissa Kistel wrote:Soooo is this the thread where the Null Sec people are telling the Hi Sec people they are playing wrong or the one where Hi sec people are telling the Null Sec people they are playing wrong.
I got lost, sorry. The mentality in high sec and null sec is the same. It has always been the same when it comes to wealth generation. Don't go to war if the price in lost income or assets outweighs the potential "fun" in a fight. Null sec just does not want that fact widely known within the game's community. It ruins the image they have carefully cultivated as some hard core crew. Only people who can say they are hard core are some of the RP FW guys, the inhabitants of faction null sec, and most wh crews. The sov null sec bunch are just as risk adverse as any high sec group. This week's events prove that. Not really. Up until this event, Mittani still had a pair. Listening to his reasoning, if I didn't know better I would say he reverted back to noob status. Did he actually promise to create a theme park war with rules and fair play? Eeesh.. he is going to get a lot of support from the carebears on this one, this is exactly the kind of game they want... consentual PvP with flowers in our hair where we are all buddies and have a coffee and biscuit afterwards. How quaint. Will you be my friend to Mittani.. you seem so nice now. Have you at any point in your Eve career participated in a sov war? It starts like this thing we just averted. Things escalate for good or bad reasons, everyone gets psyched up, except the guys running the logistics of this whole thing "enablers" i think is the term CCP uses, who probably sigh loudly, tie a noose around their ceiling fan, hold a gun up to their head, sigh again, open up a bottle of vodka, and start the process of "enabling" what happens next. Everyone else is like HELL YEAH LETS DO THIS. The Mittani says some :words: like a judge handing down a sentence, and everyone pops into their alphafleet ship and fleets up and sits on a titan and we're all like HELL YES FINALLY GONNA GO TO OWNTOWN, and then the FC is like BRIDGE BRIDGE BRIDGE and then you load into the next system and you're 40km from an enemy pos and then boat shows up if he wasn't there already and starts talking, and at this point someone is still going "they'll show up, just keep shooting", but you may or may not hear him because boat is definitely still talking, and when the last gun in the pos goes into reinforced, you jump to the next system and do this again, and at this point leadership has abandoned all pretense of a fight happening and are like "come on guys, we only have 30 more systems to do this in". That's goon sov war in a sub-cap. I don't know what it's like in a capital ship, but I imagine its just the same but worse. Edit: Two hours into the fleet, everyone is masturbating or watching movies while AFK anchored. Pornography starts getting posted, and Mumble goes silent, except for boat. So once the novelty of a huge fleet wears off, it's like forming a large group to go bash your head on a wall together untill it fall down and not very often a bricklayer shows up to defend his wall.
The one or two times both sides accidentally run into each-other, or organize a fight, i don't know how it happens, and you get the big hundreds on hundreds or thousands-on-thousands brawls that require CCP to reinforce the node, it's kind of fun. Tidi is painfully slow and if your computer is not good you won't be having fun at all, but under the right circumstances huge fleets are cool, the gamble you take on the fight happening is very much not in your favor though, and a pos shoot is more likely than any fun being had.
The war isn't won this way though, and sov changes hands to the ******* who is most willing to blue-ball and frustrate the other. It's set up so that big fights and isk wars aren't as important as making sure your enemy doesn't want to fleet up. This isn't actually fun and nobody was willing to do it for Montolio's inferiority complex. |
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
56
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Posted - 2013.01.24 09:15:00 -
[158] - Quote
Yes, I am a noob. And yes, I am very seldom in Nullsec. And yes, I have never participated in a "SOV-war".
So, propably it's uninformed bias on my side. But still, after reading the following comment from Shadoo on the evenews24-site:
Shadoo wrote:Cry all you like. It doesn't change the fact that all the whiners have no idea how to maintain tech and power. I play both sides and I win and win so get over it. While the whining faggots all cry for war its not going to happen. Mont does the wrong thing and we'll take his tech and rejoin goons. Goons do the wrong thing and we take their tech. Win ******* win so tears that way.
I got the same impression as Dinsdale Pirannha:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The mentality in high sec and null sec is the same. It has always been the same when it comes to wealth generation. [...] The sov null sec bunch are just as risk adverse as any high sec group.
Winning is when you maintain tech and power sounds the same to me like winning is when you have the highest isk/hour ratio. |
Signal11th
Against ALL Anomalies
877
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Posted - 2013.01.24 09:17:00 -
[159] - Quote
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:Yes, I am a noob. And yes, I am very seldom in Nullsec. And yes, I have never participated in a "SOV-war". So, propably it's uninformed bias on my side. But still, after reading the following comment from Shadoo on the evenews24-site: Shadoo wrote:Cry all you like. It doesn't change the fact that all the whiners have no idea how to maintain tech and power. I play both sides and I win and win so get over it. While the whining faggots all cry for war its not going to happen. Mont does the wrong thing and we'll take his tech and rejoin goons. Goons do the wrong thing and we take their tech. Win ******* win so tears that way. I got the same impression as Dinsdale Pirannha: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The mentality in high sec and null sec is the same. It has always been the same when it comes to wealth generation. [...] The sov null sec bunch are just as risk adverse as any high sec group. Winning is when you maintain tech and power sounds the same to me like winning is when you have the highest isk/hour ratio.
Humm the force is strong with this one.....
Of course the above is semi true, the majority of 0.0 dwellers like the odd scrap now and again but really they like fattening their wallets just as much, it's just human nature, God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
269
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Posted - 2013.01.24 09:24:00 -
[160] - Quote
Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:What, of you guys gone nuts. The evidences are all around forums. wow that's airtight and you've proved your claims beyond a doubt write up an email to [email protected], pronto!
Raad better and focus more. I stated that the evidence of you guys going nuts are all over forums. LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6452
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Posted - 2013.01.24 09:29:00 -
[161] - Quote
Artimis Scout wrote:Ohh I understand. What I am getting at is you guys have blued everybody in Null and can travel from one end of the galaxy to the other without seeing an enemy. You won, you made Null safe for Goons and all the other Brosefs honeybadgers BFFs you have. I was trying to imply that it more dangerous for the average player in Hi-sec than it is for the average Goonie in Null now.
http://standings.goonfleet.com/
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6452
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Posted - 2013.01.24 09:31:00 -
[162] - Quote
Zloco Crendraven wrote:Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:What, of you guys gone nuts. The evidences are all around forums. wow that's airtight and you've proved your claims beyond a doubt write up an email to [email protected], pronto! Raad better and focus more. I stated that the evidence of you guys going nuts are all over forums.
"Going nuts?"
I wasn't aware that "going nuts" is against the EULA, but RMT definitely is. Have you proven your RMT allegation? ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6452
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Posted - 2013.01.24 09:32:00 -
[163] - Quote
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:Yes, I am a noob. And yes, I am very seldom in Nullsec. And yes, I have never participated in a "SOV-war". So, propably it's uninformed bias on my side. But still, after reading the following comment from Shadoo on the evenews24-site: Shadoo wrote:Cry all you like. It doesn't change the fact that all the whiners have no idea how to maintain tech and power. I play both sides and I win and win so get over it. While the whining faggots all cry for war its not going to happen. Mont does the wrong thing and we'll take his tech and rejoin goons. Goons do the wrong thing and we take their tech. Win ******* win so tears that way.
you think that a guy commenting as "Shadoo" on EN24 is actually Shadoo
that isn't even his writing style l m a o ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.01.24 09:44:00 -
[164] - Quote
Signal11th wrote:Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:Yes, I am a noob. And yes, I am very seldom in Nullsec. And yes, I have never participated in a "SOV-war". So, propably it's uninformed bias on my side. But still, after reading the following comment from Shadoo on the evenews24-site: Shadoo wrote:Cry all you like. It doesn't change the fact that all the whiners have no idea how to maintain tech and power. I play both sides and I win and win so get over it. While the whining faggots all cry for war its not going to happen. Mont does the wrong thing and we'll take his tech and rejoin goons. Goons do the wrong thing and we take their tech. Win ******* win so tears that way. I got the same impression as Dinsdale Pirannha: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The mentality in high sec and null sec is the same. It has always been the same when it comes to wealth generation. [...] The sov null sec bunch are just as risk adverse as any high sec group. Winning is when you maintain tech and power sounds the same to me like winning is when you have the highest isk/hour ratio. Humm the force is strong with this one..... Of course the above is semi true, the majority of 0.0 dwellers like the odd scrap now and again but really they like fattening their wallets just as much, it's just human nature,
Especially true when the choices are;
(1) Fatten our wallets
(2) Doing boring as hell structure shots because some CEO was bored.
Fattening our wallets lets us lose ships doing fun things, like shoot spaceships instead of structures. And since cooler and smarter heads prevailed, we'll just reset each other and have fun shooting spaceships. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
269
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Posted - 2013.01.24 09:45:00 -
[165] - Quote
Who said that in that war there would be a need for that much sov grinding.
- TEST takes few systems to be stage systems. - From there TEST attacks Tech moons - TEST go for bears around Goonie space
Results: - Low morale - No more income - Huge sov bills - Goons break down eventually
And in middle lot of fun fights and no much of sov grind. LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
755
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Posted - 2013.01.24 09:58:00 -
[166] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:i wasn't denying that RMT happens.
i was mainly asking the person implying the whole "lets not shoot each other" thing was caused by RMT, of which he provided 0 proof (probably because there is none)
Ok then riddle me this - you've got the Titan fleet, you got the sov map showing that you own half of null to **** off to, you've got the toon with every skill in the game maxed. Now what? Why keep playing? Why keep grinding up billions upon billions of ISK, day after day, month after month, year after year even after you've got everything that ISK can buy?
Because there is still something your ISK hasn't bought yet: Cash. This is simple human psychology and it happens in every MMO out there. Once you've "been there, done that" to everything in the game and maxed out your toon to the limit, people get bored and either sell their portfolio off to RMTers or become RMTers themselves. Again, happens in every MMO.
Think of it like this: EvE is like a casino. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But all the time you're collecting chips. One day you've got a this huge pile of chips and Real Life cannot be ignored any longer. So you turn those chips in for cash. That's what RMTers are doing. And once they see just how much cash their chips were worth... they turn around and head right back into the casino.
That's where RMTers are born, at least the ones that aren't Chinese gold farmers working in sweat-shops. And given these environmental variables the creation of RMTers is inevitable.
The conditions are simple:
#1) Waxing automated generation of in-game income. This can be macros, bots, or... hmm... moon goo.
#2) Waning interest in playing the actual game.
#3) An opportunity for RMT to happen.
Golly... sound like any area of space you know? You keep saying proof, I say you don't need it, not the way you keep saying it. Take a fish tank, fill it with water, set it in direct sunlight and don't clean it for a month. Algae will form. Give MMO players too much money and not enough to spend it on and RMT will form. It is not a question of "if" only "when."
Have you ever set foot on the moon? Then you've got just as much proof the moon exists as I do in saying that RMT in nullsec alliances exist. I don't have to touch it to see it. I don't even have to see it to see how it's gravity affects the tides. I don't have to set foot on it to know it's not made of gas or just a figment of my imagination. I don't have to go to Iskbank & open a fake account to try to figure out Who In The World Could Possibly Be Feeding So Many Billions of ISK Into This Thing Golly Gee.
It isn't hard to figure out: Make a list of all the groups of people in the game who have the kind of "billions a day" ISK income required to sustain a "RMT as Real Life Job" operation. It's a pretty short list, and all the names are in null. EvE Forum Bingo |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6452
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Posted - 2013.01.24 09:59:00 -
[167] - Quote
Zloco Crendraven wrote:Who said that in that war there would be a need for that much sov grinding.
- TEST takes few systems to be stage systems. - From there TEST attacks Tech moons - TEST go for bears around Goonie space
Results: - Low morale - No more income - Huge sov bills - Goons break down eventually
And in middle lot of fun fights and no much of sov grind.
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
269
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Posted - 2013.01.24 10:01:00 -
[168] - Quote
Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Who said that in that war there would be a need for that much sov grinding.
- TEST takes few systems to be stage systems. - From there TEST attacks Tech moons - TEST go for bears around Goonie space
Results: - Low morale - No more income - Huge sov bills - Goons break down eventually
And in middle lot of fun fights and no much of sov grind. lol you can't be serious
I am not . HBC would whoop your assses all around. LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.01.24 10:03:00 -
[169] - Quote
Zloco Crendraven wrote:Who said that in that war there would be a need for that much sov grinding.
- TEST takes few systems to be stage systems. - From there TEST attacks Tech moons - TEST go for bears around Goonie space
Results: - Low morale - No more income - Huge sov bills - Goons break down eventually
And in middle lot of fun fights and no much of sov grind.
Because reinforcing a moon mining POS is so much more exciting than reinforcing a sov structure.
Oh, and TEST's tech moons are near our space, so we could bash their POS too. And that is how things escalate to full on sov grinding, because if you are going to be forced into timers and structure shots, it might as be for the long term removal of who ever is annoying you.
But yah, we could just do a little sov grinding, just the occasional POS shot. Just for our loving fans here on the Eveonline dot com forums. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6452
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Posted - 2013.01.24 10:03:00 -
[170] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:words
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
391
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Posted - 2013.01.24 10:04:00 -
[171] - Quote
Replace "no sov taking" with "no eviction" (both towards people you have relations that can be called diplomatic with), and you'll have a picture of how large entities in W-space treat each other. Neither they complain about boredom, nor "bystanders" complain about them as well. Why would anyone bash people who have chosen to live in Null for wanting something similar from time to time is, I don't know.
One thing I can understand is people pointing out that if CCP wanted sov warfare to be part of the null gameplay that is fun for null players without any arrangements and the like, then they probably did something wrong. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6452
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Posted - 2013.01.24 10:04:00 -
[172] - Quote
Zloco Crendraven wrote:I am not . HBC would whoop your assses all around.
yeah no ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
269
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Posted - 2013.01.24 10:09:00 -
[173] - Quote
EDIT: forums gone nuts LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
269
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Posted - 2013.01.24 10:10:00 -
[174] - Quote
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Who said that in that war there would be a need for that much sov grinding.
- TEST takes few systems to be stage systems. - From there TEST attacks Tech moons - TEST go for bears around Goonie space
Results: - Low morale - No more income - Huge sov bills - Goons break down eventually
And in middle lot of fun fights and no much of sov grind. Because reinforcing a moon mining POS is so much more exciting than reinforcing a sov structure. Oh, and TEST's tech moons are near our space, so we could bash their POS too. And that is how things escalate to full on sov grinding, because if you are going to be forced into timers and structure shots, it might as be for the long term removal of who ever is annoying you. But yah, we could just do a little sov grinding, just the occasional POS shot. Just for our loving fans here on the Eveonline dot com forums.
- Ofc POSs are more interesting. A sure fight to be had. And who wins gets some nice iskies. - U could bash their POSs too ofc. Than more GFs to be had. So what wrong there. - It TEST play smart it really doesnt have to escalate to full sov grind. Eventually the morale would break one or another Alliance.
- U could do it for yours benefits, GFs that matter actually, u know?
LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6453
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Posted - 2013.01.24 10:17:00 -
[175] - Quote
in a defensive war you just move non-PvP assets to lowsec (or to hisec for liquidation) and stockpile PvP ships
goonswarm has been invaded before and at no point have we "collapsed," even when we lost delve we were still capable of functioning just fine while licking our wounds in syndicate ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Dave Stark
1664
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Posted - 2013.01.24 10:22:00 -
[176] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:You keep saying proof, I say you don't need it,
lots of words that i didn't read, so i thought i'd just quote this bit and laugh at you for being a complete idiot.
yes, if you want to accuse people of things, it's generally good to have proof so you don't look like a petulant child throwing a tantrum. i find it highly amusing that ever since one terrible EN24 article about a very small group of people engaging in RMT any one posting under a null sec corp/alliance tag get repeated "you're an RMTer"-esque comments thrown at them with no substance to such a claim.
it's akin to me calling you a donkey loving transvestite, even if i have no proof of it. however, i won't call you a donkey loving transvestite because i'm not a petulant child like that. the simple fact is shouting random phrases with no proof of anything makes you look like an inarticulate moron, even more so if you could have just not posted or posted something relevant and well thought out. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
269
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Posted - 2013.01.24 10:28:00 -
[177] - Quote
Andski wrote:in a defensive war you just move non-PvP assets to lowsec (or to hisec for liquidation) and stockpile PvP ships
goonswarm has been invaded before and at no point have we "collapsed," even when we lost delve we were still capable of functioning just fine while licking our wounds in syndicate
Yeah that s fine. And now imagine the scenario. U r in syndicate. U get camped. No more tech moons. And still u are paying your sov bills. Where TEST member would rat inbtw killing you. LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
715
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Posted - 2013.01.24 10:30:00 -
[178] - Quote
Andski wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:words you have no idea how alliance finances work do you (1) kiss your corp CEO's a**, PM him pictures of your sister, make an (homo)erotic soundcloud recording (2) get handed a personal tech moon or three (3) if your moons get attacked invoke alliance to bail you out (4) Profit.
that's how PL seems to run. I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Chortle Chortle
1
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Posted - 2013.01.24 10:33:00 -
[179] - Quote
Tbh I'm quite curious to see how these consensual staged wargames will play out. Who will be the referee? Which battleground will be chosen? Will it be ok to tackle capitals and supers, or is that a no no?
So much choices! So much excitements! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6453
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Posted - 2013.01.24 10:34:00 -
[180] - Quote
Zloco Crendraven wrote:Yeah that s fine. And now imagine the scenario. U r in syndicate. U get camped. No more tech moons. And still u are paying your sov bills. Where TEST member would rat inbtw killing you.
in english? ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
269
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Posted - 2013.01.24 10:50:00 -
[181] - Quote
Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Yeah that s fine. And now imagine the scenario. U r in syndicate. U get camped. No more tech moons. And still u are paying your sov bills. Where TEST member would rat inbtw killing you. in english?
Oooo the special boy needs a drawing?
LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.01.24 11:06:00 -
[182] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote: (1) kiss your corp CEO's a**, PM him pictures of your sister, make an (homo)erotic soundcloud recording (2) get handed a personal tech moon or three (3) if your moons get attacked invoke alliance to bail you out (4) Profit.
that's how PL seems to run - how corporations use their tech seems to be entirely up to them and handing out tech moons to individual members is common. Even trading/selling your tech moons to some other member seems acceptable. If you fall out of favor your tech moons get reappropriated.
I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid.
The bolded is apropos. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.01.24 11:07:00 -
[183] - Quote
Zloco Crendraven wrote:Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Yeah that s fine. And now imagine the scenario. U r in syndicate. U get camped. No more tech moons. And still u are paying your sov bills. Where TEST member would rat inbtw killing you. in english? Oooo the special boy needs a drawing?
If your drawings are more intelligible than your words, then go for it. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6453
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Posted - 2013.01.24 11:09:00 -
[184] - Quote
Zloco Crendraven wrote:Oooo the special boy needs a drawing?
well you seem fixated on this idea that the HBC would beat the CFC outright without significant losses in the process while managing to maintain a hellcamp in syndicate that we couldn't possibly break out of, after a grueling sovwar over all of our regions
dunno how you reached that conclusion ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
269
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Posted - 2013.01.24 11:09:00 -
[185] - Quote
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Yeah that s fine. And now imagine the scenario. U r in syndicate. U get camped. No more tech moons. And still u are paying your sov bills. Where TEST member would rat inbtw killing you. in english? Oooo the special boy needs a drawing? If your drawings are more intelligible than your words, then go for it.
For you goonies Drawings are more intelligible for sure :D LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3279
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Posted - 2013.01.24 11:13:00 -
[186] - Quote
Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Oooo the special boy needs a drawing? well you seem fixated on this idea that the HBC would beat the CFC outright without significant losses in the process while managing to maintain a hellcamp in syndicate that we couldn't possibly break out of, after a grueling sovwar over all of our regions dunno how you reached that conclusion Almost as if we don't have Boat, the undisputed master of things like shooting structures, blobbing, camping and so on. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
1932
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Posted - 2013.01.24 11:19:00 -
[187] - Quote
I have removed some trolling and personal attacks from this thread. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
269
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Posted - 2013.01.24 11:19:00 -
[188] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Oooo the special boy needs a drawing? well you seem fixated on this idea that the HBC would beat the CFC outright without significant losses in the process while managing to maintain a hellcamp in syndicate that we couldn't possibly break out of, after a grueling sovwar over all of our regions dunno how you reached that conclusion Almost as if we don't have Boat, the undisputed master of things like shooting structures, blobbing, camping and so on.
Nah u d just crumble cos of the pressure. Weak minds. LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6453
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Posted - 2013.01.24 11:21:00 -
[189] - Quote
Zloco Crendraven wrote:Nah u d just crumble cos of the pressure. Weak minds.
we clearly have a history of crumbling under pressure and not a seven year long history of not crumbling under pressure ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
269
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Posted - 2013.01.24 11:28:00 -
[190] - Quote
Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Nah u d just crumble cos of the pressure. Weak minds. we clearly have a history of crumbling under pressure and not a seven year long history of not crumbling under pressure
Only time when u were pressured was against DRF. Than u betrayed all your possible and impossible friends. Pity DRF didnt continue that way. LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6453
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Posted - 2013.01.24 11:33:00 -
[191] - Quote
Zloco Crendraven wrote:Only time when u were pressured was against DRF. Than u betrayed all your possible and impossible friends. Pity DRF didnt continue that way.
we were invaded by PL, RDN, Evoke and NCdot, not only did they reinforce a bunch of CSAAs but they also reinforced all of our core systems, while we fought the same alliances in a moon war
since we're still in our space and have tons of moons well you can see how that went ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
269
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Posted - 2013.01.24 11:58:00 -
[192] - Quote
Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Only time when u were pressured was against DRF. Than u betrayed all your possible and impossible friends. Pity DRF didnt continue that way. we were invaded by PL, RDN, Evoke and NCdot, not only did they reinforce a bunch of CSAAs but they also reinforced all of our core systems, while we fought the same alliances in a moon war since we're still in our space and have tons of moons well you can see how that went
Yeah and from White Noise, AAA, RA, SOLAR , Legion, Nulli etc etc. all attacking with full forces. Cmn, it was mostly Raiden with others u mentioned jumping in for fun. And even with that attitude they had, you almost crumbled. Than everyone just moved to south against AAA. LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
53
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Posted - 2013.01.24 12:03:00 -
[193] - Quote
If you don't like grate blue null NIP please support this and other similar ideas: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=196972 |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
363
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Posted - 2013.01.24 12:05:00 -
[194] - Quote
i love how people live nullsec vicariously Follow me on twitter |
Drone 16
Law Dogz
23
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Posted - 2013.01.24 12:06:00 -
[195] - Quote
Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0
I like the part where you threaten to come to hi-sec with the coalition you are afraid to start a "forever war" with to prove...what?
You lost me there.
Its like a slap fight that almost happened but then you decided to beat the dog instead just to prove your manliness.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6454
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Posted - 2013.01.24 12:09:00 -
[196] - Quote
Zloco Crendraven wrote:Yeah and from White Noise, AAA, RA, SOLAR , Legion, Nulli etc etc. all attacking with full forces. Cmn, it was mostly Raiden with others u mentioned jumping in for fun. And even with that attitude they had, you almost crumbled. Than everyone just moved to south against AAA.
neither Nulli nor -A- were involved in the DRF/NC war in any way and RA, Solar and XIX stopped after they took Vale
Tenal, Tribute and Branch were taken by RDN, NCdot and WN with support from PL and Evoke
We were nowhere close to "crumbling" - we defended our space and ended up with more moons than we had before that invasion. Unless, of course, you think evacuating non-PvP assets in case we screw up and lose all of our space is "close to crumbling" but then again you've never been in nullsec so w/e ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
363
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Posted - 2013.01.24 12:12:00 -
[197] - Quote
Drone 16 wrote:Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0 I like the part where you threaten to come to hi-sec with the coalition you are afraid to start a "forever war" with to prove...what? You lost me there. Its like a slap fight that almost happened but then you decided to beat the dog instead just to prove your manliness. unwilling to start is not the same as unwilling to fight Follow me on twitter |
Dave Stark
1664
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Posted - 2013.01.24 12:16:00 -
[198] - Quote
some times, threads like this make me wish as a miner i could mine rocks that refined to tinfoil. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6455
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Posted - 2013.01.24 12:23:00 -
[199] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:some times, threads like this make me wish as a miner i could mine rocks that refined to tinfoil.
how'd you end up getting the 's' capitalized ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Dave Stark
1665
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Posted - 2013.01.24 12:35:00 -
[200] - Quote
Andski wrote:Dave Stark wrote:some times, threads like this make me wish as a miner i could mine rocks that refined to tinfoil. how'd you end up getting the 's' capitalized
aww, you noticed! i feel special.
petitioned a GM. all fairly simple and straight forward really. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
269
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Posted - 2013.01.24 12:52:00 -
[201] - Quote
Andski wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Yeah and from White Noise, AAA, RA, SOLAR , Legion, Nulli etc etc. all attacking with full forces. Cmn, it was mostly Raiden with others u mentioned jumping in for fun. And even with that attitude they had, you almost crumbled. Than everyone just moved to south against AAA. neither Nulli nor -A- were involved in the DRF/NC war in any way and RA, Solar and XIX stopped after they took Vale Tenal, Tribute and Branch were taken by RDN, NCdot and WN with support from PL and Evoke We were nowhere close to "crumbling" - we defended our space and ended up with more moons than we had before that invasion. Unless, of course, you think evacuating non-PvP assets in case we screw up and lose all of our space is "close to crumbling" but then again you've never been in nullsec so w/e
That first sentence was sarcasm. Ofc u ended with more moons after u betrayed basically everyone. And i was living in nullsec for 1 year. Tnx good i moved away. LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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AndromacheDarkstar
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
711
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Posted - 2013.01.24 12:53:00 -
[202] - Quote
Kamden Line wrote:This really says a lot about EVE that the sovereignty mechanics suck so hard that even Montolio deliberately provoking war failed to start one.
Seriously CCP, Fix Sov mechanics so my balls can stop being so blue.
Its not all Ccp though is it and im sick of that ine being forced down everyones throats. People have been more than happy to do it before, the thing stopping them now is the isk that they crave and fear losing so much although i cant imagine why the so desperately crave keeping that isk fountain.
This was was a chance to fix the massive blue fest that the leaders have created in null sec, not CCP but the players themselves. Its a massive missed oppurtuinty and the arrange fight bulshit replacing it is not good enough. The Forsworn Protectorate-áAmarr Militia Corp Recruiting EU TZ PVP pilots now Also Looking for EU PVP corps to join-áa growing-áAmarr-áFW-áalliance
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Merch BAYLOR
New Eden Burns
12
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Posted - 2013.01.24 12:54:00 -
[203] - Quote
just when I thought I would be bored at work I find this thread. I love the drama and forum war in here. Keep it up.
Oh and I'd sure like to see another Burn Jita event. It was indeed fun to watch |
Dave Stark
1665
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Posted - 2013.01.24 13:15:00 -
[204] - Quote
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:People have been more than happy to do it before
i've never seen any one have a kind word to say about sov warfare, and just because it's the ONLY way to acquire sov doesn't mean people enjoy it. it's merely a means to an end, and the only option they have.
honestly, so much tin foil in this thread. guess what; some times, things are just as people say they are. hanlon's razor people, hanlon's razor. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Zol Interbottom
Nanotrasen Inc
141
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Posted - 2013.01.24 13:57:00 -
[205] - Quote
Null just sounds boring, that's all I can say
Also "WE NEED TO KEEP OUR MOONGOO TO ENSURE WE CAN FUND 100 SUPERCAP HOTDROP"
Maybe that's the problem, thinking too big rome |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1198
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Posted - 2013.01.24 14:05:00 -
[206] - Quote
So has anyone in this thread mentioned that TEST and Goons have reset each other and goons are actively camping Fountain and Delve killing any TEST they come across? It's making it hard on those of us who use Fountain and Delve npc space for mission running. someone make them kiss and make up, mama needs a new pair of BPCs from cashed in Blood Raider and Serpentis LP..... |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2631
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Posted - 2013.01.24 14:17:00 -
[207] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:So has anyone in this thread mentioned that TEST and Goons have reset each other and goons are actively camping Fountain and Delve killing any TEST they come across?.. oh man neutrals *gulp* shooting each other dont see why pcgamer isnt running an article about that tbh |
Skurja Volpar
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.01.24 14:33:00 -
[208] - Quote
Suppose sighs of relief will be up in both coalitions, but I was looking forward to some 3rd person drama on the blogs and forums. This was all building up so nicely too.
What a waste of popcorn. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6456
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Posted - 2013.01.24 14:56:00 -
[209] - Quote
by far, the most likely outcome is a white peace: we don't want to be an empire spanning from Vale of the Silent to Delve
since most hisec publords seem to think that it'd be a wash and we'd be utterly defeated, I can only get the impression that they want a SINGLE COALITION SPANNING FROM VALE TO CATCH ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Jamyl Khanid
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2013.01.24 15:22:00 -
[210] - Quote
The High Sec pubLords laugh at your conflict driven sandbox.
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Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
281
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Posted - 2013.01.24 15:48:00 -
[211] - Quote
Zol Interbottom wrote:Null just sounds boring, that's all I can say
Also "WE NEED TO KEEP OUR MOONGOO TO ENSURE WE CAN FUND 100 SUPERCAP HOTDROP"
Maybe that's the problem, thinking too big rome
Yeah in a game where literally nothing is free, having income is totally stupid stupid CFC and HBC who do these f*cksh*ts think they are? The only real, legitimate income is mining and ratting, and if you can't finance your wars on that and/or gigantic vassal corps doing it for you, you're not a real Eve Online player!
It's ok to have wealth in this game, it's really actually very productive to having fun within it. It's okay to make moongoo income a strategic resource, as it funds most of what the CFC, TEST, and Pandemic Legion does.
I know I'm personally invested in staying in deklein, and the CFC at-large is fairly invested in their sov not changing too much. That's actually OK. Nobody but Montolio and a teenaged diplomat wanted to play Roulette and see who emerged from a new foreverwar with all the tech. True motivations might be hard to ascertain if you're not inside the head of coalition and alliance leaders, or idling in the dipomacy room, but with what most people know, if you want to point a finger and blame someone for cooler heads prevailing in a war you have naught but a spectator's investment in, point it at CCP when they dropped the ball with both moongoo and sov. |
Evander Armistice
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.01.24 15:50:00 -
[212] - Quote
Andski wrote:by far, the most likely outcome is a white peace: we don't want to be an empire spanning from Vale of the Silent to Delve
since most hisec publords seem to think that it'd be a wash and we'd be utterly defeated, I can only get the impression that they want a SINGLE COALITION SPANNING FROM VALE TO CATCH
Sorry to say this Andski because I have followed many of your posts in the past and most often respect your positions but in this instance there is very little difference to my mind between hi-sec and null-sec coalition entities: both are "risk averse".
So you are going to get into a little tiff with TEST, neither party is risking anything or losing anything. All losses can and will be replaced with moon-goo income. Both parties are blaming games mechanics for the making sov war a grind. I have heard similar rationalizations from hi-sec players that have been ganked and then blame CCP for bad game design.
Of course, you have conquered that space in the past and it is yours to use as you wish just don't look down your nose at hi-sec any longer, the contrast between 0.0 and hi-sec is not as stark as it once was.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6458
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Posted - 2013.01.24 16:17:00 -
[213] - Quote
Evander Armistice wrote:Sorry to say this Andski because I have followed many of your posts in the past and most often respect your positions but in this instance there is very little difference to my mind between hi-sec and null-sec coalition entities: both are "risk averse".
So you are going to get into a little tiff with TEST, neither party is risking anything or losing anything. All losses can and will be replaced with moon-goo income. Both parties are blaming games mechanics for the making sov war a grind. I have heard similar rationalizations from hi-sec players that have been ganked and then blame CCP for bad game design.
Of course, you have conquered that space in the past and it is yours to use as you wish just don't look down your nose at hi-sec any longer, the contrast between 0.0 and hi-sec is not as stark as it once was.
and what would the individual pilot lose in an all-out sov war? it'd all be paid for with moongoo income regardless ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
CausticS0da
Viziam Amarr Empire
160
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Posted - 2013.01.24 16:24:00 -
[214] - Quote
The funny thing is that this thread deteriorated into a null vs high sec ragefest. It's the rank and file of the blue donut that should be complaining. Do you people play EVe wanting to fight? Or do you play to fatten the wallets of CEOs? What are the grunts gaining from the donut? Being able to rat safely? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6458
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Posted - 2013.01.24 16:30:00 -
[215] - Quote
CausticS0da wrote:The funny thing is that this thread deteriorated into a null vs high sec ragefest. It's the rank and file of the blue donut that should be complaining. Do you people play EVe wanting to fight? Or do you play to fatten the wallets of CEOs? What are the grunts gaining from the donut? Being able to rat safely?
http://standings.goonfleet.com http://standings.pleaseignore.com
we reset each other, done ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Karrl Tian
Exiled Assassins Equestria Alliance
167
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Posted - 2013.01.24 16:48:00 -
[216] - Quote
CausticS0da wrote:The funny thing is that this thread deteriorated into a null vs high sec ragefest.
Pretty much every thread in GD does this. I could make a thread about the history of peanut butter and by page 2 highsec and null would be tearing into each other. Maybe it's because they live in the two most boring parts of the game? Then again, with all the null alts in highsec and all the highsec alts in null, can you really claim that it's two different groups and not the same group beating themselves in the head with rocks? |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1122
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Posted - 2013.01.24 17:15:00 -
[217] - Quote
Posting in a Goonie alt thread... "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:56:00 -
[218] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:So has anyone in this thread mentioned that TEST and Goons have reset each other and goons are actively camping Fountain and Delve killing any TEST they come across? It's making it hard on those of us who use Fountain and Delve npc space for mission running. someone make them kiss and make up, mama needs a new pair of BPCs from cashed in Blood Raider and Serpentis LP.....
We keep mentioning the reset, but pubbies are ignoring it because it doesn't fit into there all-blue-nullsec narrative.
I also find it especially funny that some think HBC would completely trounce CFC in a full on sov war, and that half the map under HBC would some how be an improvement over the much maligned CFC/HBC pact.
My take is that a blue'd up nullsec is only bad when Goons happen to be blue too. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
284
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:07:00 -
[219] - Quote
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:So has anyone in this thread mentioned that TEST and Goons have reset each other and goons are actively camping Fountain and Delve killing any TEST they come across? It's making it hard on those of us who use Fountain and Delve npc space for mission running. someone make them kiss and make up, mama needs a new pair of BPCs from cashed in Blood Raider and Serpentis LP..... We keep mentioning the reset, but pubbies are ignoring it because it doesn't fit into there all-blue-nullsec narrative. I also find it especially funny that some think HBC would completely trounce CFC in a full on sov war, and that half the map under HBC would some how be an improvement over the much maligned CFC/HBC pact. My take is that a blue'd up nullsec is only bad when Goons happen to be blue too.
I wonder how many pubbies would be completely lost if you just changed corp/alliance names with the same people then show them a SOV map with none of the current names on it. Who would they hate then? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3280
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Posted - 2013.01.24 22:22:00 -
[220] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:So has anyone in this thread mentioned that TEST and Goons have reset each other and goons are actively camping Fountain and Delve killing any TEST they come across? It's making it hard on those of us who use Fountain and Delve npc space for mission running. someone make them kiss and make up, mama needs a new pair of BPCs from cashed in Blood Raider and Serpentis LP..... We keep mentioning the reset, but pubbies are ignoring it because it doesn't fit into there all-blue-nullsec narrative. I also find it especially funny that some think HBC would completely trounce CFC in a full on sov war, and that half the map under HBC would some how be an improvement over the much maligned CFC/HBC pact. My take is that a blue'd up nullsec is only bad when Goons happen to be blue too. I wonder how many pubbies would be completely lost if you just changed corp/alliance names with the same people then show them a SOV map with none of the current names on it. Who would they hate then? They would look for the mittani alts (everyone) and then hate them (again, everyone). Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
284
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Posted - 2013.01.24 22:50:00 -
[221] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:So has anyone in this thread mentioned that TEST and Goons have reset each other and goons are actively camping Fountain and Delve killing any TEST they come across? It's making it hard on those of us who use Fountain and Delve npc space for mission running. someone make them kiss and make up, mama needs a new pair of BPCs from cashed in Blood Raider and Serpentis LP..... We keep mentioning the reset, but pubbies are ignoring it because it doesn't fit into there all-blue-nullsec narrative. I also find it especially funny that some think HBC would completely trounce CFC in a full on sov war, and that half the map under HBC would some how be an improvement over the much maligned CFC/HBC pact. My take is that a blue'd up nullsec is only bad when Goons happen to be blue too. I wonder how many pubbies would be completely lost if you just changed corp/alliance names with the same people then show them a SOV map with none of the current names on it. Who would they hate then? They would look for the mittani alts (everyone) and then hate them (again, everyone).
Mittani's alt whining at mittani for not starting a war VS mittani's alt.
Gotta love pubbies. |
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
755
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Posted - 2013.01.24 23:54:00 -
[222] - Quote
Nullbears, nuff said. EvE isn't game, its style of living. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.01.25 00:06:00 -
[223] - Quote
Tarvos Telesto wrote:Nullbears, nuff said.
Yah, those lazy nullbears, who between the 2 blocs ground through some 8 regions in the past year.
If you scrubs on the sidelines are so desperate for a sov grind, go buy some SBUs and get to work. The rest of us are going to enjoy the fruits of our labors. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3283
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Posted - 2013.01.25 00:48:00 -
[224] - Quote
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Tarvos Telesto wrote:Nullbears, nuff said. Yah, those lazy nullbears, who between the 2 blocs ground through some 8 regions in the past year. If you scrubs on the sidelines are so desperate for a sov grind, go buy some SBUs and get to work. The rest of us are going to enjoy the fruits of our labors. Delicious SBUs. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
310
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Posted - 2013.01.25 01:06:00 -
[225] - Quote
Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0 Oh yeah, I'll be first in line to get podded, seriously when is Goonswarm gonna come to Jita again I wanted to see the goon fleet but missed burn jita...I just don't want to get podded by a pis s ant scrub I want to be ripped to bits by a fleet. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
247
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Posted - 2013.01.25 04:20:00 -
[226] - Quote
Evander Armistice wrote:So you are going to get into a little tiff with TEST, neither party is risking anything or losing anything. All losses can and will be replaced with moon-goo income. Both parties are blaming games mechanics for the making sov war a grind. I have heard similar rationalizations from hi-sec players that have been ganked and then blame CCP for bad game design.
It's not even a little tiff, it's just the removal of an existing relationship.
Of course, some of us are disappointed we didn't wind up in a horrible grindy foreverwar.
Come back Molle, we need you to be terrible at Eve Online again.
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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1533
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Posted - 2013.01.25 04:27:00 -
[227] - Quote
Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0
It didn't quite work out like you imagined last time. But don't let that stop you from dreaming.
Don't let them EVER take your dreams away from you. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Zol Interbottom
Nanotrasen Inc
143
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Posted - 2013.01.25 04:43:00 -
[228] - Quote
Burn Jita please |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1361
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Posted - 2013.01.25 04:53:00 -
[229] - Quote
Tarvos Telesto wrote:Nullbears, nuff said.
Please tell me this is a cyno alt. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3284
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Posted - 2013.01.25 05:03:00 -
[230] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Tarvos Telesto wrote:Nullbears, nuff said. Please tell me this is a cyno alt. Better reject the application, might be an awoxer. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1362
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Posted - 2013.01.25 05:03:00 -
[231] - Quote
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:I got the same impression as Dinsdale Pirannha: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The mentality in high sec and null sec is the same. It has always been the same when it comes to wealth generation. [...] The sov null sec bunch are just as risk adverse as any high sec group. Winning is when you maintain tech and power sounds the same to me like winning is when you have the highest isk/hour ratio.
All the tengu's in the world won't win a war if you show up with armor reps. Many of the old defeated alliances that are now skulking around in crappy space are wealthy beyond the pale. The real trick is spending it wisely. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3284
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Posted - 2013.01.25 05:06:00 -
[232] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:I got the same impression as Dinsdale Pirannha: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The mentality in high sec and null sec is the same. It has always been the same when it comes to wealth generation. [...] The sov null sec bunch are just as risk adverse as any high sec group. Winning is when you maintain tech and power sounds the same to me like winning is when you have the highest isk/hour ratio. All the tengu's in the world won't win a war if you show up with armor reps. Many of the old defeated alliances that are now skulking around in crappy space are wealthy beyond the pale. The real trick is spending it wisely. We're winning, according to the EVEO pubbies. Rejoice ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1363
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Posted - 2013.01.25 05:14:00 -
[233] - Quote
If you guys just wanted to see Goons shooting Test and Test shooting Goons, this is actually happening right now. There's about a half dozen marauding bands of goons wandering through test space and vice versa. We're shooting eachother. We're just not doing the structure grind. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.01.25 05:28:00 -
[234] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Andski wrote:but seriously if you want game content so much, we can bring both coalitions to Jita with 6000 Tornadoes
that way you hiseccers will also enjoy content that would otherwise be restricted to 0.0 It didn't quite work out like you imagined last time. But don't let that stop you from dreaming. Don't let them EVER take your dreams away from you.
You are right. It worked out better than we imagined. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
758
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Posted - 2013.01.25 05:54:00 -
[235] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:lots of words that i didn't read.
Glad to see you have finally admitted your own ignorance at last.
EvE Forum Bingo |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3284
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Posted - 2013.01.25 06:05:00 -
[236] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:If you guys just wanted to see Goons shooting Test and Test shooting Goons, this is actually happening right now. There's about a half dozen marauding bands of goons wandering through test space and vice versa. We're shooting eachother. We're just not doing the structure grind. Boat must be disappointed, after his dreams of the wonderful test reinforce timers. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Dave Stark
1679
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Posted - 2013.01.25 08:49:00 -
[237] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:Dave Stark wrote:lots of words that i didn't read. Glad to see you have finally admitted your own ignorance at last.
considering you were replying to a point i didn't make i felt justified ignoring your response. it was irrelevant. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Kalle Demos
Ironic Corp Name
52
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Posted - 2013.01.25 11:10:00 -
[238] - Quote
OP is not allowed to post on his main due to rules and regulations in the child friendly, internet spaceship alliance GSF.
This thread needs to be on CAOD, so we dont have so many whiny, generic alts spamming.
As for this 'war' understand that while TEST are emo over FA for some random reason, TEST leadership still brown nose GSF leadership, so what will happen is a few fleet attacks here and there, maybe a jump bridge down, after all "NO LIMITS TO WHAT YOU CAN ATTACK" means "NO LIMITS UNTIL WE ARE BLUE AND SUCKING EACH OTHER OFF WHILE PRINTING ISK".
I think both powerblocs should just kiss and make up now rather than in 2 weeks when everyone is bored, I dont say this as a fan of either side but lets be honest, sov mechanics are a joke and a random skirmish here and there isnt worthy of a thread.
Who really wants to spend their free time shooting structures? Clearly it must be majority of EVE players, after all its the only reason CCP would not focus on fixing 0.0
CFC, HBC, Solar, Nulli etc The only real efficient way to make CCP give two fucks about 0.0 is if you immediately NAP each other, sell moon goo at 10x the price and clog empire with your blobs. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3284
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Posted - 2013.01.25 13:03:00 -
[239] - Quote
Kalle Demos wrote:Then again who really wants to spend their free time shooting structures? Clearly it must be majority of EVE players, after all its the only reason CCP would not focus on fixing 0.0
CFC, HBC, Solar, Nulli etc The only real efficient way to make CCP give two fucks about 0.0 is if you immediately NAP each other, sell moon goo at 10x the price and clog empire with your blobs. It it came to it, I guess Boat is an amazing role model for all of us, inspiring his followers to shoot structures.
Would clogging empire and price gauging on tech result in amazing tears? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
965
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Posted - 2013.01.25 15:18:00 -
[240] - Quote
I must congratulate goons and test on creating the largest Red v Blue outings ever witnessed.
It must feel great to be blowing up each other's T1 ships, with the occasional T2 thrown in for good measure. Tell me, do the themepark rules state you can't blow up each other's supercaps as well, or is it limited to strictly no attacking the wealth generation mechanisms?
You know, if you just want good fights, I am sure there are many people in Syndicate that would welcome your elite fighting fleets. You want to prove how hard core you are? How about waging a campaign to inflict, say 50 billion ISK in ship losses in Syndicate?
And say you take 100 billion in losses doing that. How many hours of moon goo production is that for test, goons, and PL combined? Four, maybe six hours?
The tech must flow. |
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Ambrocio Hanaya
Belmont Consortium
0
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:26:00 -
[241] - Quote
I've seen the rumor of this happening alot even in my local area. I am pretty new but I see how much things cost and know what it would be like for a major war like this to happen. Trillions of ISK lost? Who would really want to risk that?!
Someday though someone will remember that this is a game and not real life, and they will get tired of being bored all the time. Gather 500 like minded people and make a bloody mess all over the place.
The only thing in this universe that can cause alot of damage is bored and dedicated people driven by a purpose and a plan. |
Aston Martin DB5
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:14:00 -
[242] - Quote
DIdn't know players were out in Null sec. Last time I heard it was dead. |
Daisai
The Riot Formation Unclaimed.
72
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:25:00 -
[243] - Quote
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:DIdn't know players were out in Null sec. Last time I heard it was dead.
Nope , that is low sec. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
370
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:37:00 -
[244] - Quote
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:DIdn't know players were out in Null sec. Last time I heard it was dead.
It is.
This is just an agreement to share time molesting the corpse. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1539
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:44:00 -
[245] - Quote
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:You are right. It worked out better than we imagined.
Prices didn't even hiccup, so that killed the fantasy of disrupting anything whatsoever. I think in the end there were more goons on the receiving end of killmails than any other group.
But it was awfully nice for you all to broaden your horizons and enjoy some hisec content. You're welcome back any time. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Mac Omac
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:46:00 -
[246] - Quote
Dear Children the new null sec love is happening as we speak
The pretend fight games are underway and love is being spread all around
Why can't the forums follow the new example of the new EVE LOVE
I urge our nullsec overlords to bring the NEW LOVE to the forums, just as sov/moon taking was eradicated, trolls and flames must be dealt with the same way
THE NEW LOVE IS HERE TO STAY! |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
225
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:27:00 -
[247] - Quote
This says more about the sov mechanics than anything.
We like shooting spaceships, not structures.
We can still shoot goons as much as we want.
Nobodoy "likes" sov warfare in its current state |
Dave Stark
1702
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:33:00 -
[248] - Quote
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:Nobodoy "likes" sov warfare in its current state
inb4 that didn't stop test invading delve, etc. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Cearain
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
804
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:27:00 -
[249] - Quote
What changes to sov mechanics will make the null sec alliance leaders fight?
The only changes I hear from them is "farms and fields" which sounds like making null sec more of a carebear grazing land.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
369
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:38:00 -
[250] - Quote
Cearain wrote:What changes to sov mechanics will make the null sec alliance leaders fight?
The only changes I hear from them is "farms and fields" which sounds like making null sec more of a carebear grazing land.
There are 2 points to adding to the "carebear grazing land" of nullsec;
(1) To promote bottom up alliance income, so that nullsec groups have to undock and use there space rather than rely on moons while the line members goof off on highsec alts.
(2) To promote undocking and doing stuff in space to an extant that roaming gangs can not only find targets, but that (going back to point 1) doing so will financially hurt a nullsec organization, giving some value to hit and run guerrilla tactics. |
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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1539
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:42:00 -
[251] - Quote
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:We like shooting spaceships, not structures.
Then why do you blue everyone instead of shooting their spaceships? No one is forcing you to shoot their structures if you don't want to. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2645
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:49:00 -
[252] - Quote
the secret goal of 'farms and fields' is
- get nullsec players doing their pve in null instead of highsec - so that we can raze each others' fields and burn down their farms and wreck their ability to supply themselves and engender real buttmad feelings within rival 0.0 alliances
I disagree with the term 'farms and fields' because the phrase is distinctly non-industrial, and I believe the solution lies within fixing POSs and boosting null industry, not 'farming', but whatever.
some of the highseccer extremists think its all a conspiracy to get them specifically to roll down in their npc corp mining toon around catch so we can all highfive each other on some mackinaw kill. really though, you can stay in highsec - you aren't wanted. your input isn't needed |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1470
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:51:00 -
[253] - Quote
Cearain wrote:What changes to sov mechanics will make the null sec alliance leaders fight?
Ones that don't lead to their rank and file members spending every day shooting tens of millions of hitpoints in stationary structures, over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Quote:The only changes I hear from them is "farms and fields" which sounds like making null sec more of a carebear grazing land. And the point of 'farms and fields' is that they, and/or the alliance members using them, become targets for hostiles to catch and kill, which incentivises roaming gangs and defence gangs to counter them. Rather than today, where the only way to weaken or annoy or provoke a response from a hostile power is shooting tens of millions of hitpoints in their stationary structures, over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1539
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:56:00 -
[254] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:get nullsec players doing their pve in null instead of highsec
0.0 has already been made more profitable than hisec by several magnitudes when people claimed it would solve every problem, and by scurrying to safety whenever a stranger enters local you're even safer there than hisec. Everyone knows this.
CCP can even check the numbers if they have to, and see how many people are turning their nose up at 0.0 income and instead running L4s on an alt. To think you can fool them again is ridiculous. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6477
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:59:00 -
[255] - Quote
what's it like when you speculate blindly on nullsec gameplay without having dipped a toe outside of the safety of highsec ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1539
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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:02:00 -
[256] - Quote
Andski wrote:what's it like when you speculate blindly on nullsec gameplay without having dipped a toe outside of the safety of highsec
You put the ass in assume.
"The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
369
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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:12:00 -
[257] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Andski wrote:what's it like when you speculate blindly on nullsec gameplay without having dipped a toe outside of the safety of highsec You put the ass in assume.
So do you.
There are only a handful of anomalies that are a sure-thing better than highsec PvE income. Most everything else, especially anything that involves getting items that must be sold for isk, adds an annoying layer of nullsec logistics. 23 jumps in a blockade runner to get those OSE's and deadspace mods to Jita kills your isk/hr.
If general nullsec income were so great, you wouldn't see so many complaints over true-sec, the anomaly nerf, bad industrial services, and massive moongoo wealth in the hands of the few. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1541
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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:18:00 -
[258] - Quote
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:There are only a handful of anomalies that are a sure-thing better than highsec PvE income.
The much higher payouts you can get in 0.0 tends to balance that out.
But maybe try mining. Better isk/hour gathering ABC ore than there is doing L4s.
Always hearing about how hisec L4s are so very easy and boring, from 0.0 players, so mining should be no different. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2645
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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:25:00 -
[259] - Quote
Oh boy someone needs to sit Necran down and explain to him what 'opportunity cost' is |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3289
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Posted - 2013.01.26 01:21:00 -
[260] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Oh boy someone needs to sit Necran down and explain to him what 'opportunity cost' is It's something that's high enough I wouldn't bother spending the time to try such a feat. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Steph Wing
Applied Agoraphobia
79
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Posted - 2013.01.26 01:58:00 -
[261] - Quote
The Mittani has secured peace for our time!
http://onebit.us/x/i/6xZeuuPG3j.png |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3291
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Posted - 2013.01.26 03:15:00 -
[262] - Quote
This will end well... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Nylith Empyreal
Crowbar Industries. Rebel Alliance of New Eden
311
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Posted - 2013.01.26 03:17:00 -
[263] - Quote
Ah business as usual. Should take more rl examples go turn over a 3rd world country for sport or **** off your own people and crush rebellions. "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here." |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6478
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Posted - 2013.01.26 04:41:00 -
[264] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:But maybe try mining. Better isk/hour gathering ABC ore than there is doing L4s.
mining arkanor is less than 60M/hour
and that's with a hulk with rorqual bonuses, after probing down a grav site and it assumes you're mining arkanor continuously
meanwhile, mining crokite and bistot is less profitable than mining scordite in 0.9, and a lot more effort ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3292
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Posted - 2013.01.26 04:49:00 -
[265] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Theodoric Darkwind wrote:Nobodoy "likes" sov warfare in its current state inb4 that didn't stop test invading delve, etc. Honestly, I think that was sort of "our" fault because once Soco escalated to -A-'s "help" (haha), then HBC escalted to CFC help and suddenly all there was to shoot were structures.
And we all know what happens then, Boat goes on a freeding frenzy, so so speak and the rest is history as tons of sov got bulldozed before someone said "ok enough, we don't like shooting structures even if you do" Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
814
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:17:00 -
[266] - Quote
My vision of a better sov system is to move away from structure bashing and more to small-large scale pve/pvp.
The first thing i would do is make sov based on a slide not on an absolute number.
The second thing i would do is rework annoms into group pve with enhanced AI like incursions.
To gain Sov you as a corp or alliance will have to complete various annoms and clear them of rats to maintain sov...
The annoms would have restrictions on amount of ships and size restrictions that would scale from 5 cruisers on the small level all the way to unlimited when you get to the largest annom which has the tcu in it but you dont shoot the tcu you have to kill the npc (who are in capital ships now) and fight the defending fleet...
As an added bonus on the higher tier annoms there would be a chance based system that would drop a tech II BPC of a meta 2-4 mod.
Note. Tech II meta 2-4 mods can only be made in 0.0 and only in a pos or outpost that is in a owned system.
pretty much this would take sov away from structure grind to all levels of pvp/pve that is group based and dynamic.
i would also add more ihub upgrades to make 0.0 industry worth the effort and risk.
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2646
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:37:00 -
[267] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:My vision of a better sov system is to move away from structure bashing and more to small-large scale pve/pvp.
The first thing i would do is make sov based on a slide not on an absolute number.
The second thing i would do is rework annoms into group pve with enhanced AI like incursions.
To gain Sov you as a corp or alliance will have to complete various annoms and clear them of rats to maintain sov...
The annoms would have restrictions on amount of ships and size restrictions that would scale from 5 cruisers on the small level all the way to unlimited when you get to the largest annom which has the tcu in it but you dont shoot the tcu you have to kill the npc (who are in capital ships now) and fight the defending fleet... the goal is 'make sov warfare more fun' somehow you aimed for that and ended up at 'tons of ratting-based sov' |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2646
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:38:00 -
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'CFC defeated by The Jagged Allliance, experts credit warmaster rmfhorus for brilliant sov defense' |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
373
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:43:00 -
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Andski wrote:Bane Necran wrote:But maybe try mining. Better isk/hour gathering ABC ore than there is doing L4s. mining arkanor is less than 60M/hour and that's with a hulk with rorqual bonuses, after probing down a grav site and it assumes you're mining arkanor continuously meanwhile, mining crokite and bistot is less profitable than mining scordite in 0.9, and a lot more effort pretty sure L4s pay more than that
Yah, I love how people throw around "ABC ores" like they are magic. Oh, and they never factor in the time and cost of getting this stuff to a market.
And the A part of that is the _only_ one that is worth more isk/hr than commonly available highsec ores.
And unlike missions, you can't just dock up and get an NPC agent to just hand you a bookmark to the next site.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3293
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Posted - 2013.01.26 05:51:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Andski wrote:Bane Necran wrote:But maybe try mining. Better isk/hour gathering ABC ore than there is doing L4s. mining arkanor is less than 60M/hour and that's with a hulk with rorqual bonuses, after probing down a grav site and it assumes you're mining arkanor continuously meanwhile, mining crokite and bistot is less profitable than mining scordite in 0.9, and a lot more effort pretty sure L4s pay more than that Yah, I love how people throw around "ABC ores" like they are magic. Oh, and they never factor in the time and cost of getting this stuff to a market. And the A part of that is the _only_ one that is worth more isk/hr than commonly available highsec ores. And unlike missions, you can't just dock up and get an NPC agent to just hand you a bookmark to the next site. SURPRISE, you should be in highsec!!!!! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
1025
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:23:00 -
[271] - Quote
^ I thought the goons are suppose to care, when doing an activity just leads to hard work and no fun.
Suppose Shepard, should just blue all the asteroids, or just have fun combat with them. Instead of actually trying to mine or something. Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3293
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:37:00 -
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rodyas wrote:^ I thought the goons are suppose to care, when doing an activity just leads to hard work and no fun.
Suppose Shepard, should just blue all the asteroids, or just have fun combat with them. Instead of actually trying to mine or something. I'm fine with things being horribly out of balance. It's all good in our HARSH AND COLD HIGHSEC ONLINE INTERNET NPC POLICE game. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
1026
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Posted - 2013.01.26 07:13:00 -
[273] - Quote
^ I suppose it is fair that you are angry at us for bluing Concord.
In the beginning Concord and hi seccers were fierce enemies. Then we slacked our blood lust and saw how much we can control if we worked together. With Hi seccers blued with Concord, now we get all the stations slots, all the roid belts, and forced fed missions 24/7.
What has diplomacy brought. Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1372
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Posted - 2013.01.26 07:54:00 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:This says more about the sov mechanics than anything.
We like shooting spaceships, not structures.
We can still shoot goons as much as we want.
Nobodoy "likes" sov warfare in its current state
Shooting pos in supercaps is a chore. Shooting pos in subcaps is a sure way to encourage suicide. And in the kind of war we would have had, subcaps would have done 90% of the heavy lifting. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
285
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:03:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Theodoric Darkwind wrote:This says more about the sov mechanics than anything.
We like shooting spaceships, not structures.
We can still shoot goons as much as we want.
Nobodoy "likes" sov warfare in its current state Shooting pos in supercaps is a chore. Shooting pos in subcaps is a sure way to encourage suicide. And in the kind of war we would have had, subcaps would have done 90% of the heavy lifting.
Just to be sure I get this point right, subcap would of done the heavy lifting because no side would of wanted to risk thier supercaps right? |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1373
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:09:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote: Just to be sure I get this point right, subcap would of done the heavy lifting because no side would of wanted to risk thier supercaps right?
They would all be logged in prepared to jump on the other side if they deployed supers. It's a weird dance. As a general rule you want to be the one that engages in the fight on your terms. It's not like subcaps where you can just send the pilots home to snag another ship more fitted for the job at hand. |
Dave Stark
1706
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:55:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Yah, I love how people throw around "ABC ores" like they are magic. Oh, and they never factor in the time and cost of getting this stuff to a market.
And the A part of that is the _only_ one that is worth more isk/hr than commonly available highsec ores.
And unlike missions, you can't just dock up and get an NPC agent to just hand you a bookmark to the next site.
also worth nothing that to flip the belt you have to mine 2m/jetcan spod, which is a complete joke, it's worth half of any given high sec ore, if not less.
if you end up in a situation where a new grav site spawns in some one's prime time, and they cherry pick the HAH ores (and maybe the jaspet too) out of them, then every one else mining in that grav site earns less than they would in high sec because all that's left are high sec ores, and ores worth less than high sec ores. also, you have to mine all of them in order to flip the belt, and if you don't then it's questionable if you'll be able to cherry pick enough of the lucrative ores to maintain the indy level in the system. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
285
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:21:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Yah, I love how people throw around "ABC ores" like they are magic. Oh, and they never factor in the time and cost of getting this stuff to a market.
And the A part of that is the _only_ one that is worth more isk/hr than commonly available highsec ores.
And unlike missions, you can't just dock up and get an NPC agent to just hand you a bookmark to the next site.
also worth nothing that to flip the belt you have to mine 2m/jetcan spod, which is a complete joke, it's worth half of any given high sec ore, if not less. if you end up in a situation where a new grav site spawns in some one's prime time, and they cherry pick the HAH ores (and maybe the jaspet too) out of them, then every one else mining in that grav site earns less than they would in high sec because all that's left are high sec ores, and ores worth less than high sec ores. also, you have to mine all of them in order to flip the belt, and if you don't then it's questionable if you'll be able to cherry pick enough of the lucrative ores to maintain the indy level in the system.
How the hell is a system like that even supposed to make sense? |
Dave Stark
1707
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:42:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Yah, I love how people throw around "ABC ores" like they are magic. Oh, and they never factor in the time and cost of getting this stuff to a market.
And the A part of that is the _only_ one that is worth more isk/hr than commonly available highsec ores.
And unlike missions, you can't just dock up and get an NPC agent to just hand you a bookmark to the next site.
also worth nothing that to flip the belt you have to mine 2m/jetcan spod, which is a complete joke, it's worth half of any given high sec ore, if not less. if you end up in a situation where a new grav site spawns in some one's prime time, and they cherry pick the HAH ores (and maybe the jaspet too) out of them, then every one else mining in that grav site earns less than they would in high sec because all that's left are high sec ores, and ores worth less than high sec ores. also, you have to mine all of them in order to flip the belt, and if you don't then it's questionable if you'll be able to cherry pick enough of the lucrative ores to maintain the indy level in the system. How the hell is a system like that even supposed to make sense?
*shrug* ask ccp, they made it.
you've also go to remember the contents of a grav site is identical every time it's flipped. the proportions of minerals/ores within them were created (i think) when drone alloys were still in the game, and low ends were considerably cheaper, therefore until you got to spod you were almost always making profit above high sec, that unfortunately is no longer true.
basically, the rest of the game has changed and it seems that 0.0 sov grav sites simply haven't caught up. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
373
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:44:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Yah, I love how people throw around "ABC ores" like they are magic. Oh, and they never factor in the time and cost of getting this stuff to a market.
And the A part of that is the _only_ one that is worth more isk/hr than commonly available highsec ores.
And unlike missions, you can't just dock up and get an NPC agent to just hand you a bookmark to the next site.
also worth nothing that to flip the belt you have to mine 2m/jetcan spod, which is a complete joke, it's worth half of any given high sec ore, if not less. if you end up in a situation where a new grav site spawns in some one's prime time, and they cherry pick the HAH ores (and maybe the jaspet too) out of them, then every one else mining in that grav site earns less than they would in high sec because all that's left are high sec ores, and ores worth less than high sec ores. also, you have to mine all of them in order to flip the belt, and if you don't then it's questionable if you'll be able to cherry pick enough of the lucrative ores to maintain the indy level in the system. How the hell is a system like that even supposed to make sense?
It doesn't, and it is a reason nullsec mining is largely not a thing. And when it is, it tends to be dominated by Euro TZ people who can jump in right after downtime and get the grav sites while there is still some decent ore in it.
But highsec players don't know this. They are under the impression that nullsec belts are full of ark. The reality is that one usually has to chew through a ton of spod and then probe down a fresh grav site so you can cherry pick the highend (lol, check those market prices) ores, and leave the spod and crap for the next poor shmuck who thought he could make it big on nullsec mining.
Oh, and if the miners don't just put up with this, and mine all the spod everyday no matter how lame it is, the system will lose its industry level and the grav sites go back to being just a random occurrence like the other probed sites.
But we have ABC ores and are thus rolling in easy isk. Excuse me, I just rolled my eyes so hard that I sprained something.
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Dave Stark
1707
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:50:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:it tends to be dominated by Euro TZ people who can jump in right after downtime and get the grav sites while there is still some decent ore in it.
i am so, so very guilty of this.
i would literally pick the arkonor out of every site, and then go afk/log out until a new grav site popped up. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Cass Lie
State War Academy Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2013.01.26 10:26:00 -
[282] - Quote
Just give it time ;)
There is still too much brohood left between the two groups. Let the frustrations sink, passions stew, incidents happen. Each great null sec war needs a good narrative. The Goonswarm of olde was driven by the hatred for the condescending manners of BoB, the forces of the DRF were whipped into action by the hatred for the northern carebear paradise ruled over by RMT overlords (an argument, perhaps ironically, used by both sides propaganda machines) and so on.
Sooner or later, something is bound to happen, the leaders will find ways to hate each other guts publicly, and the ~content~ will be provided. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
943
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:10:00 -
[283] - Quote
Is this a fair summary of this thread?
Folk who were not fighting each other, have decided to carry on not fighting each other. This is not a signature. |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
41
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:32:00 -
[284] - Quote
More like players have become bored with SOV mechanics and just want fights. |
Sentamon
647
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Posted - 2013.01.26 13:57:00 -
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Moonbears rejoice! ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
814
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Posted - 2013.01.26 14:31:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:MeBiatch wrote:My vision of a better sov system is to move away from structure bashing and more to small-large scale pve/pvp.
The first thing i would do is make sov based on a slide not on an absolute number.
The second thing i would do is rework annoms into group pve with enhanced AI like incursions.
To gain Sov you as a corp or alliance will have to complete various annoms and clear them of rats to maintain sov...
The annoms would have restrictions on amount of ships and size restrictions that would scale from 5 cruisers on the small level all the way to unlimited when you get to the largest annom which has the tcu in it but you dont shoot the tcu you have to kill the npc (who are in capital ships now) and fight the defending fleet... the goal is 'make sov warfare more fun' somehow you aimed for that and ended up at 'tons of ratting-based sov'
the idea can be adjusted by all means.
What i am aiming for is you have to farm a system to own a system and farming it will setup chances for reds to come in and try and **** on your castle.
its an enhanced mechanic that is used in FW but without any of the LP. All upgrades to system and such are done via ISK collection.
What this would do is greatly reduce the amount of systems an alliance can hold as they can only activly farm so much space.
Plus this would setup alot more small- mid scale pvp and allow smaller entities to mess with someone elses sov.
If done correctly its a win win for large and small scale alliances.
This has to happen with the advent of modular pos system/ destructable but more upgradable outposts/ ring mining and blance brought to force (projection).
What it would do is allow small - mid sized alliance the ability to gain sov and has fleet pvp
it would also bring industry back to 0.0
and it would make eve feel large again. Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Katherine Jasmone
18
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Posted - 2013.01.26 15:00:00 -
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The only reason for war to be averted would be that it would f**k up either party's revenue stream - ratting, roiding, mooning and other "-ings" that are part of the null-problem rather than the null-solution.
So stay blue, stay nullbear. 4lifeyo! [sarcasm] Goons suck. TEST suck. Sov sucks. The Mittani is a nullbear. Nullbears FTW. Oh right this is EVE. [/sarcasm] |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3304
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Posted - 2013.01.26 17:30:00 -
[288] - Quote
Katherine Jasmone wrote:The only reason for war to be averted would be that it would f**k up either party's revenue stream - ratting, roiding, mooning and other "-ings" that are part of the null-problem rather than the null-solution.
So stay blue, stay nullbear. 4lifeyo! xxXNullbear4lyfeXxx YOLO Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Dave Stark
1718
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Posted - 2013.01.26 17:35:00 -
[289] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Katherine Jasmone wrote:The only reason for war to be averted would be that it would f**k up either party's revenue stream - ratting, roiding, mooning and other "-ings" that are part of the null-problem rather than the null-solution.
So stay blue, stay nullbear. 4lifeyo! xxXNullbear4lyfeXxx YOLO you forgot #swag. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Cearain
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
806
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Posted - 2013.01.26 18:25:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Cearain wrote:What changes to sov mechanics will make the null sec alliance leaders fight? Ones that don't lead to their rank and file members spending every day shooting tens of millions of hitpoints in stationary structures, over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Quote:The only changes I hear from them is "farms and fields" which sounds like making null sec more of a carebear grazing land. And the point of 'farms and fields' is that they, and/or the alliance members using them, become targets for hostiles to catch and kill, which incentivises roaming gangs and defence gangs to counter them. Rather than today, where the only way to weaken or annoy or provoke a response from a hostile power is shooting tens of millions of hitpoints in their stationary structures, over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Isn't that what capital ships are for?
Seems like you want to replace the days when large alliances used to fight massive capital battles with enemies ganking eachothers ratting ships.
Low sec already provides that.
I'm not saying the current system is great, but I don't see anything in these proposals that will cause the current risk averse alliance leaders to actually do something news worthy in null sec. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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fukier
RISE of LEGION
764
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Posted - 2013.01.26 18:29:00 -
[291] - Quote
is it true that afk cloaking is breaking the NIP?
That seems rather lame if you ask me... At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3313
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Posted - 2013.01.26 19:02:00 -
[292] - Quote
fukier wrote:is it true that afk cloaking is breaking the NIP?
That seems rather lame if you ask me... No, it's not as far as I know, we have TEST people afking in our systems and of course some of ours are in their systems.
TEST Ratters (please ignore) seem to be rather annoyed by this. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1387
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Posted - 2013.01.26 19:16:00 -
[293] - Quote
fukier wrote:is it true that afk cloaking is breaking the NIP?
That seems rather lame if you ask me...
Nope. Been doing it off and on all week. |
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