How can you out produce t2 BPOs?
A T2 BPO with 50 ME is going to be a hell of a lot cheaper than a -4 ME BPC, on top of the fact that it has already cost you to do the invention to produce the BPC in the first place.

I think youv'e missed the point. I'm not talking about build time, I'm talking about cost.

If it costs me 50 mil to produce something (including invention cost) but a T2 BPO can produce it at 45 mil, they can just sell the product at 49.5 mil, and make 4.5 mil profit per item, and I can't possibly undercut them, as I am totally unable to get my manufacture cost down low enough to make profit. And it's not though a fault of my own, I've produce the BPC the way the game intends, but because they got a BPO back in the day, and that was never removed, they automatically win the profit battle.

How can you out produce t2 BPOs?

Is the Invention & T2 BPO situation ever likely to change?

Volume GÇö the thing that already makes invention outproduce BPOs by a large margin in any area where T2 manufacturing is profitable.
Since there's no actual need for it to change, no. Not particularly likely.

yeh allot of t2 ships are almost impossible to build at a profit allot are built at a loss. most t2 items are rediculously underpriced

i think generally too thing are way to cheap in eve atm, t2 bpos would be a massive boost to the market

could try inventing teh ships that were introduced after t2 bpo's stopped. you know the ones

the need is in the fact that things are too cheap, and therefore unproifitbale for those who wernt lucky in a lottery

i understand fully what you mean.
t2 bpo produces say 1000 items / month netting you about 500
t2 bpc's produce say 750 per slot so x 10, netting you a bit less per item, but way more over all.

i make a lot of t2 items via invention, its profitible, very if you do it right

the need is in the fact that things are too cheap, and therefore unproifitbale for those who wernt lucky in a lottery

your argument is invalid because so what if you can produce 50 sleipnirs a month if you loose 10 mill on every one

the market is over stocked atm, thats due imo to reduced players. look at the online numbers. its not the bpo's fault ccp have shafted the game in teh last year

Then clearly you are producing items that don't have people competign witha T2 BPO.
Not only can they still produce copies so they can produce just as many, they dont pay invention costs, dont risk invention failure, and can sell at a price you simply can't match. It's nto that you would make little profit, its that you would make no profit at all.

t2 bpos should of been removed from the game when invention was errr invented...ofc the people owning them paid handsomely for it however...

Then clearly you are producing items that don't have people competign witha T2 BPO.
Not only can they still produce copies so they can produce just as many, they dont pay invention costs, dont risk invention failure, and can sell at a price you simply can't match. It's nto that you would make little profit, its that you would make no profit at all.

All I'm saying is, they should bring back BPOs so everyone has a fighting chance.

It should be fair across the board for everyone.

I mean, from a newbie point of view, whats the point of going into T2 production

no the items i producing do have t2 bpo's. i just out produce them and rely on volume of items to make the isk.

Everyone does have a fighting chance. Invention ensures just that.
If you believe that a BPO will give you some kind of advantage (which, given the copy comment, will probably turn out to be false), then go ahead and buy one GÇö it's what most of the current BPO holders did, after allGǪ
Fun fact: it is.

I've done the math on a number of T2 items, and some of them, no matter how much you throw into invention, you could never even produce cheap enough to make profit over existing sell orders, you'd actually be losing alot of ISK. Sure you might be lucky enough to avoid that market, and for me, I currently do, so can make a decent amount, but that doesnt change the experience I gained previously from attempting profitable T2 production.

I didnt say there wasnt a BPO, I said clearly theres no BPO owner competing with you. If there was, he/she could undercut you to the point you can't make profit, and your production would become redundant.

I've done the math on a number of T2 items, and some of them, no matter how much you throw into invention, you could never even produce cheap enough to make profit over existing sell orders, you'd actually be losing alot of ISK. Sure you might be lucky enough to avoid that market, and for me, I currently do, so can make a decent amount, but that doesnt change the experience I gained previously from attempting profitable T2 production.

Everyone does have a fighting chance. Invention ensures just that.
If you believe that a BPO will give you some kind of advantage (which, given the copy comment, will probably turn out to be false), then go ahead and buy one GÇö it's what most of the current BPO holders did, after allGǪ
Fun fact: it is.
From a newbie point of view, why do you think that T2 manufacturing is for you? Maybe it's something you should get into once you know the ropes a bit betterGǪ

GǪonce you do, the point of going into T2 production is obvious: it earns you more money than plain old T1.

Of course a T2 BPO gives you an advantage...

Sure people buy and sell them but thats beside the point really.

not many people have 20-100billion liquid cash Tippia.

Thats why t2 invention was made also to give people a chance.

if you lost money, you didnt do enough checking double and triple checking. most peopel dont when they start off, blindly invent stuff there is so little demand for the price is low.