Hi
Is the Invention & T2 BPO situation ever likely to change?
The problem being that where originally BPOs were given out, which can be researched and all that jazz, but now only invention works giving you some crappy ME copy.
This means that if you don't own a T2 BPO, you will NEVER be able to produce at a price that is competetive to an alliance with a T2 BPO.

It doesnt even matter if it's ridiculously hard to produce a BPO, make it a 1 in 1,000,000 chance on invention or something, but either BPOs need to start working their way back into the game, or the existing T2 BPOs need to go, because without that you are basically saying there's no point in working towards industry since you'll never be able to beat the already exising industial corps.

While I agree that invention effectively puts an upper limit to the sale price of ALL items, this does not mean that some items aren't exclusively produced by T2 BPO owners, in other words, the inventors are denied entry on this market.

But the thing is that, where (if) that's the case, it's not the BPO owners that deny them entry GÇö it's the consumers, who lack the interest in the product.

Yes they lose money and yes they exist! I know several that i on an almost daily basis try to pound sense into "but i do this for fun i dont care about the money" and then go and run incursions to make the money needed to waste away selling crap under production cost.

Simetraz,

If T2 BPOs is not an issue for a particular item, does not mean it's not an issue for ALL items.

There's simply no public information that allows you or me or anyone to make such conclusions.

While I agree that invention effectively puts an upper limit to the sale price of ALL items, this does not mean that some items aren't exclusively produced by T2 BPO owners, in other words, the inventors are denied entry on this market.

yes, damn people for having fun here. I wont have it!

This makes no sense whatsoever.

You MUST cover your POS costs with manufacture. If not, then there's no reason to do manufacture at all, just do what you used to do in order to "cover" you POS costs and you'll have bigger income.

Here's an example, if something is still not clear.
Taking into account only recurring costs. Say, you have a medium POS, which takes 160M/month fuel cost. You cover you fuel cost, say, with missions. In the same time, You profit from the POS less than 160M/month, say, 159M, Remember, the proposition is you don't cover you POS costs from manufacturing.

Bottom line:
+160M from missions
+159M from manufacturing
-160M for fuel

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159M profit

If you don't have a POS at all:
+160M from missions

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160M profit

Regardless if T2 BPO's are an advantage or not. The should be removed.

• if It is an advantage, it should be removed to balance the game.

Regardless if T2 BPO's are an advantage or not. The should be removed.

• if It is an advantage, it should be removed to balance the game.

I think it's been pretty clearly explained that there is no real advantage of BPO vs invention already in this thread.
What about genuine variety in game mechanics? You could pose the question...why have different types of turrets if they are all effectively the same? They all have a short, med, long range variant.

Why have more than one mission?
etc...

It's been pretty firmly established that T2 BPOs don't offer any sort of advantage over invention, in this thread as well as the myriad other threads that this has come up in. They just allow for a bit of variety in manufacturing mechanics...and variety is good.

Considerable uncertainty factor in Invention?

I can point you to t2 BPO owners that have invested billions in a T2 BPO, only to have it nerfed the next patch. The price of the BPO drops entirely and they can't produce the stuff for a profit. Also, if people aren't willing to buy the item you produce, why the hell would they buy a BPC for it?

With invention if something gets nerfed you can just start inventing something else.

But you are talking about people that bought the BPOs in an unwise investment. That's their issue. The current owner can STILL produce the item at a cost lower than inventors. Whether the item is saleable is something they should have looked at before purchase. Either way, doesnt change the fact that they removed the feature, but not the items, which is crazy. It's like removing freighters and saying "oh but you guys already with freighters can keep them"

The only players that object to removing T2 BPOs are the ones that have them.

And they have the audacity to say that invention is better.

But you are talking about people that bought the BPOs in an unwise investment. That's their issue. The current owner can STILL produce the item at a cost lower than inventors. Whether the item is saleable is something they should have looked at before purchase.

The only players that object to removing T2 BPOs are the ones that have them.