The only players that object to removing T2 BPOs are the ones that have them.

And they have the audacity to say that invention is better.

But as you say the players have 0 information about how many of each type of BPO is out there

Patently false. But sure, if you want to take that route: the only ones who want T2 BPOs removed are the ones who have no idea how manufacturing works, and who need someone to blame because they cannot bear the thought that it is their own failure that is bringing them downGǪ

Regardless if T2 BPO's are an advantage or not. The should be removed.

• if It is an advantage, it should be removed to balance the game.

• If it is not an advantage and invention is better, then tech 2 BPO's are not needed and will not be missed.

I would favor change them to a max run bpc with the same ME and PE to ensure enough training time for the untrained to catch up.

Hi
Is the Invention & T2 BPO situation ever likely to change?
The problem being that where originally BPOs were given out, which can be researched and all that jazz, but now only invention works giving you some crappy ME copy.
This means that if you don't own a T2 BPO, you will NEVER be able to produce at a price that is competetive to an alliance with a T2 BPO.

It doesnt even matter if it's ridiculously hard to produce a BPO, make it a 1 in 1,000,000 chance on invention or something, but either BPOs need to start working their way back into the game, or the existing T2 BPOs need to go, because without that you are basically saying there's no point in working towards industry since you'll never be able to beat the already exising industial corps.

Posting to confirm OP is an idiot.
Also, eve isn't fair, T2BPO's don't give an advantage, and newbs cry.
Carry on.

Long story short, if you want the "alleged" advantage of T2BPO's buy them, they only cost billions.

Posting to confirm you have no idea what your talking about.

Actually I know exactly what im talking about, everything I said was true...
Eve is not far, T2BPO's don't give an advantage, and Newbies DO cry....better luck next time.
Ohh and OP is an idiot

last time i checked it nigh impossible to make any kind of profit on the t2 sabre market when inventing BPC's. short of FINDING the materials yourself.

Im game. If everyone else has to work to get their T2 Bpcs, the current holders of T2 BPOs should too. Its pretty unfair that T2 researchers are handling the only chance based function (couldnt think of a better word) IN THE GAME (where it applies to manufacturing etc) when there are people with the BPOs to build those items and dont have to deal with stupid chances.

Better yet, make it so the BPOs have a chance to build the item based on the chance to not build the item in question.

I mean seriously, think of how that whole fun chance based thing would be if it wasnt just invention that had it. If all industrial jobs had it. How fun would it be if all jobs to build a ship had a chance to fail and consume the resources without getting anything back. Or for that matter, if mining lasers had a chance to fail at the end of the cycle. Or weapons. Wouldnt THAT be fun?

Actually I know exactly what im talking about, everything I said was true...
Eve is not far, T2BPO's don't give an advantage, and Newbies DO cry....better luck next time.
Ohh and OP is an idiot

As the lovely troll a few posts above me pointed out,

Fact of the matter is:

Everyone(!) here will argue to their own benefit.


For someone new to the game, understandably, they feel they should get a fair shot at getting their hands on these items as the dinasaurs or business mongooses OR would stop complaining if there was no (Functional) T2 BPO out there.

If someone are in possession of any T2 BPOs they will claim T2 BPOs hardly exist at all and they will at the same time lie about owning one while making any retorical argumentation available to torpedo anyone who argues for removal or reimplementation of T2 BPOs. We all understand that realisation of either of these two posibilitis would result in a major loss to these individuals. You are allowed to disagree but stuff the math up your arses, you're not fooling anyone.


Bottom line:

There is no real reason why T2 BPOs should be allowed to remain in game in there present form. Render them inert so people can keep the as collectables or some such OR re-introduced T2 BPOs in some form of another. This will form an equal market and, after all, getting new people to join in on the Eve experience without feeing they are going agains an unbeatable elite is what matters no?


Stay sharp,T2 BPOs are on their way (out)

(flunk out the last word... or not... whichever suits you).

Dribble

Sight, it's like wankink off with a cheese grater....

Your reasoning is nothing else then crap and puts you into the secret T2 BPO owner category.

The only players that object to removing T2 BPOs are the ones that have them.

And they have the audacity to say that invention is better.

Come on, it would be fair for you to say "the only ones that was T2 BPOS removed are the ones that don't have them", but theres no needto go saying people dont understand manufacturing

I think this thread has shown that the matter is fairly heavily split with relatively good arguments both for and against.

I don't have one, I don't want them removed.

And I have yet to see any motive here other than envy and jealousness to support their removal.


By the way, did you know that some T2 BPOs are real cheap? I'm sure you can find something like a T2 micro-smartbomb BPO pour less than 500M, or a Wasp II BPO for les than 4B. Saying you can't obtain a T2 BPO is patently false.

I was actually pretty pissed off when I realized there is effectively a hard ceiling on production in that you cant GET T2 BPOs anymore.

Then I realized the WHY of it. They need to do this in more games and yes, they need to remove the BPOs as well.

I've done the math on a number of T2 items, and some of them, no matter how much you throw into invention, you could never even produce cheap enough to make profit over existing sell orders, you'd actually be losing alot of ISK. Sure you might be lucky enough to avoid that market, and for me, I currently do, so can make a decent amount, but that doesnt change the experience I gained previously from attempting profitable T2 production.