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Ronin Woman
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Posted - 2005.07.06 19:44:00 -
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I'll buy that crappy Raven from you for 15 million.
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Helmuth Halbstein
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Posted - 2005.07.06 19:58:00 -
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in other news......
the pope got ganked and they nerfed electric go carts
"Helmuth Halbstein Caldari Gorilla"
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Trinity Trixx
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Posted - 2005.07.06 20:02:00 -
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Ok, I have to put my 2 cents in.
I'd like to start off by saying that I'm relatively new (1 1/2 months). I'm in a Caracal already. Did I find it odd that I was able to get into a Cruiser straight away? Yes...I did. Do I find it odd that I can get into a BS within a few more days of training? Yes... I do. Why?
For all intents and purposes, let me just say that a n00b has no business being in a BS. I just got my a$$ handed to me in a lvl 2 mission with drones - in a Caracal!!! And in a few days I can fly a BS?? Sure...I'll run right out and do that, in the meantime, I am ineffectual as a true 'captain' of the ship because I don't have the *gasp* skills to use it yet!! Imagine that 1 1/2 months into the game and I don't have the skills to EFFECTIVELY fly a BS. And for those who can't read between the lines here - I'm being saracastic. Yes, I can get into a BS soon, no I won't be...not until I can use it the way it's supposed to be used.
God people, be somewhat realistic. So what if they CHANGED the way the missles are being used. ADAPT! And for heaven's sake, STOP YOUR WHINING AND BELLY ACHING! We are all sick of hearing it. You think it's oh so bad boo hoo...my God, it's happened to everyone, so stfu and gbtw...please! There's a tissue at the door on your way out....
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Eleven
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Posted - 2005.07.06 20:25:00 -
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Torps b4 Nerf 540 damage .... after nerf 40 damage .... thats a hefty nurf!!!! so ppl have the right to moan and voice there disgust ... after all its a free country..... so stop whinging about those who are whinging !
These ppl now have to recruit 3 more ppl to do the same damage in a similar time as they did solo pre nurf.....yet the reward has not quadrupled !
Oh and for those of you that say this is a multiplayer game and you shouldnt be playing solo .... read the Game manual it states solo as a choice .... besides Multiplayer means Multi players .....not 1 big group or lots of smaller groups.
Yes there are new skills ....yet they weren't available pre nurf, and even once trained to Lv5, Torps will not be hitting as they did Pre nurf !
personally I am Trained in Hybrids, Projectiles, Lazors as well as Tops/missiles .... yet Missiles suited they way i like to play ....... now I am forced to play in a different style .... that has made the game less apealing to me .... so I am Whinging too.
Whinge whinge whinge whinch.
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Imran
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Posted - 2005.07.06 20:41:00 -
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megathrons for teh win.
ravens are teh sux ^^.
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grappler
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Posted - 2005.07.06 20:46:00 -
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ok everyone wants to complain about something and its usually about a nerf to a weapon class in one way or another, has anyone noticed that they just take away the good attributes of one class anytime someone starts complaining? lasers..used to own then people complained so they made them alot weaker, then they nerfed the crystal bonuses. projectiles..used to be uber then they took away the ability to hit a planet at 20 paces, now its time for the missiles to get screwed. why not jsut make each class comparable at each level and leave it at that? each race should have an option that is pretty comparable to each other races weapons in the same size. Now I am amarr and use lasers but I really dont agree with the changes because I know if you take a 10,000 sq foot house and drop a 10k pound bomb on it its gonna level the house right ? now take the same bomb and drop it on a 1000 sq foot house, is it gonna just break a window? nope its gonna freakin vaporize it, same concept different senario.
Time to get to start sellin frigs for 5 mil each since they are the new uber ship
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MrFuji
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Posted - 2005.07.06 23:56:00 -
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 Originally by: grappler
I know if you take a 10,000 sq foot house and drop a 10k pound bomb on it its gonna level the house right ? now take the same bomb and drop it on a 1000 sq foot house, is it gonna just break a window? nope its gonna freakin vaporize it, same concept different senario
Houses don't move, man. I'd love to see someone try and take out a fighter plane with a cruise missile.
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Tochik Nhill
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Posted - 2005.07.07 03:07:00 -
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Agreed Mrfuji, the poster above you gave a horrid example to the game. See my signature for something more relative
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The best way to explain the missile changes is to liken it to throwing a banana at a housefly. Can you hit a housefly with a banana? |
Fillmeup
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Posted - 2005.07.07 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tochik Nhill
Agreed Mrfuji, the poster above you gave a horrid example to the game. See my signature for something more relative
Both witty and entirely correct.
I am sick to death of reading 'Missles are Nerfed' and 'I can't solo my level 4 missions anymore cause my win button has dissapeared'.
I am a Megathron / Dominix pilot only. I remember when my 425's could hit almost anything at almost any range. The day they introduced the 'Tracking changes' patch for turrets, was (at that point in time) the day I actually considered leaving for good. But I didn't, I trained up all those additional lvl1 skills to 3 or 4 each and, guess what, I started actually having MORE fun! Sure I couldn't one volley pop frigs anymore, but it introduced something a lot of the whining Raven pilots don't consider, a requirement to have SKILL.
I can't remember whether they introduced the turret skills prior to or after the introduction of the patch, however I didn't start training them until after. I don't see the problem with them introducing the skills at the same time as the change. Otherwise, we would have had many even more uber Ravens running around prior to the new patch.
Anyway, I'm getting off track. This is a highly needed change that has been a damm long time coming. The effect of the change not bought in would have had even further lasting reprocussions on the rest of the universe (inflation anyone?), as a noobish raven pilot was never intended to be able to solo lvl4 missions or pop frigs with torps.
Now go train some of those skills for a couple of days, then adapt to the changes. I have to fit different loadouts depending on what I intend to fight, and sometime I get it wrong and get podded. Now Ravens / missle based ships do as well.
So where is the problem?
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Corvus Anderran
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Posted - 2005.07.07 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Eleven
Torps b4 Nerf 540 damage .... after nerf 40 damage .... thats a hefty nurf!!!! so ppl have the right to moan and voice there disgust ... after all its a free country..... so stop whinging about those who are whinging !
These ppl now have to recruit 3 more ppl to do the same damage in a similar time as they did solo pre nurf.....yet the reward has not quadrupled !
Oh and for those of you that say this is a multiplayer game and you shouldnt be playing solo .... read the Game manual it states solo as a choice .... besides Multiplayer means Multi players .....not 1 big group or lots of smaller groups.
Yes there are new skills ....yet they weren't available pre nurf, and even once trained to Lv5, Torps will not be hitting as they did Pre nurf !
personally I am Trained in Hybrids, Projectiles, Lazors as well as Tops/missiles .... yet Missiles suited they way i like to play ....... now I am forced to play in a different style .... that has made the game less apealing to me .... so I am Whinging too.
Whinge whinge whinge whinch.
Shoot your torps at the targets they were intended for instead of frigates. That's all that really needs to be said.
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BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2005.07.07 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: MrFuji
Originally by: grappler
I know if you take a 10,000 sq foot house and drop a 10k pound bomb on it its gonna level the house right ? now take the same bomb and drop it on a 1000 sq foot house, is it gonna just break a window? nope its gonna freakin vaporize it, same concept different senario
Houses don't move, man. I'd love to see someone try and take out a fighter plane with a cruise missile.
Okay...
an AIM-54 Phoneix missle against a MiG-21PF...
Put that MiG over San Diego and launch that Phoenix From Los Angeles..
Say bye bye to the Mig..
Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage |
BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2005.07.07 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Anderran
Originally by: Eleven
Torps b4 Nerf 540 damage .... after nerf 40 damage .... thats a hefty nurf!!!! so ppl have the right to moan and voice there disgust ... after all its a free country..... so stop whinging about those who are whinging !
These ppl now have to recruit 3 more ppl to do the same damage in a similar time as they did solo pre nurf.....yet the reward has not quadrupled !
Oh and for those of you that say this is a multiplayer game and you shouldnt be playing solo .... read the Game manual it states solo as a choice .... besides Multiplayer means Multi players .....not 1 big group or lots of smaller groups.
Yes there are new skills ....yet they weren't available pre nurf, and even once trained to Lv5, Torps will not be hitting as they did Pre nurf !
personally I am Trained in Hybrids, Projectiles, Lazors as well as Tops/missiles .... yet Missiles suited they way i like to play ....... now I am forced to play in a different style .... that has made the game less apealing to me .... so I am Whinging too.
Whinge whinge whinge whinch.
Shoot your torps at the targets they were intended for instead of frigates. That's all that really needs to be said.
Funny thing...
A frigate is about 450 feet long.
Why do we keep acting like they are fighters?
Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage |
grappler
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Posted - 2005.07.07 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: MrFuji
Originally by: grappler
I know if you take a 10,000 sq foot house and drop a 10k pound bomb on it its gonna level the house right ? now take the same bomb and drop it on a 1000 sq foot house, is it gonna just break a window? nope its gonna freakin vaporize it, same concept different senario
Houses don't move, man. I'd love to see someone try and take out a fighter plane with a cruise missile.
not talking about the ability to move Im talking about the impact. if by chance the cruise missle did hit the fighter plane what do you think it would do to the plane ? yeah your right it might scuff the paint.
and yes I an hit a fly with a banana
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Avalon Beholder
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Posted - 2005.07.07 10:05:00 -
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wrong If the plane was moving faster than the explosion, then it would not be damaged.
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Kar Brogan
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Posted - 2005.07.07 10:30:00 -
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I thought it was said a while ago that when a missile engages a ship smaller than the size it was intended for, it doesnt try to collide it instead proximity detonates.
Thus a fast ship with a low signature will not only be hard for the missile to track (and therfore harder to detonate near to) but will also escape the worst of the explosion.
Remember in space there is no concussion wave ahead of the explosion, so it is only the rapidly expanding cloud of particles/energy that the ship must minamise contact with.These 'clouds' are semi-permenant (ie last a few seconds).
A stationary ship will be inside the explosion for a full 2 or 3 seconds, taking '100%' damage.A fast moving ship may well only be on the edge of the explosion for less than a second, thus taking only a third (or less) of the full damage.
So that arbitary full '250pts' of damage is what would happen to a ship sitting directly inside the explosion for its entire 2 or 3 second duration, if the missile detonates directly next to it.
If the missile detonates away from the ship, and the ship is moving fast enough to only be in contact with the explosion for a second, then it is obviously only going to take a fraction of 'full' damage.
Additionaly, current day definitions of cruise missiles are pointless. In the world of Eve a cruise missile may be more like an old-style ICBM...try hitting a fighter reliably with one of those.
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Findail
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Posted - 2005.07.07 11:13:00 -
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Pity the patch didn't modify Caldari ships and give them 7 turret hardpoints. Would at least make them useful while training the new skills.
I'm leaving the raven in the garage for several weeks while I train up the new skills. If it still sucks after that..... could melt it down for something else I guess 
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BladeMos
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Posted - 2005.07.07 15:31:00 -
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This patch really stinks cause of the bugs but if they fix the bugs fast it would be fun again but for now im leaving eve.i can spend 25dollors on something else.
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Ryy Kishin
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Posted - 2005.07.07 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: BladeMos
This patch really stinks cause of the bugs but if they fix the bugs fast it would be fun again but for now im leaving eve.i can spend 25dollors on something else.
Bye
Live Hard Die Young Leave A Good Looking Corpse!
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Derik Tandy
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Posted - 2005.07.07 15:57:00 -
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Well, CCP did go way overboard on the missile nerf. I don't know play tested the nerf in Singualrity, but this is stupid. Increased equiping cost, decreased range, decrease damage, and increased rate of fire. I don't remember any of the other nerfs doing so much to a weapon type. One or two of these things would have balanced out the game. And for those yelling train the new skill, maybe you should take a close look at what happend and just what little difference the new skills will make and putting things even close to where they were. BTW.......... nerf the freaking npc's too CCP. Your missile launching frigates still do 75 points of damage for a missile hit. That's pretty bad when a heavy missile hitting said frigate only averages about 40 points.
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Na'Axin
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Posted - 2005.07.07 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Derik Tandy
Well, CCP did go way overboard on the missile nerf. I don't know play tested the nerf in Singualrity, but this is stupid. Increased equiping cost, decreased range, decrease damage, and increased rate of fire. I don't remember any of the other nerfs doing so much to a weapon type. One or two of these things would have balanced out the game. And for those yelling train the new skill, maybe you should take a close look at what happend and just what little difference the new skills will make and putting things even close to where they were. BTW.......... nerf the freaking npc's too CCP. Your missile launching frigates still do 75 points of damage for a missile hit. That's pretty bad when a heavy missile hitting said frigate only averages about 40 points.
The NPC's didn't whine... they trained the skills
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Ryy Kishin
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Posted - 2005.07.07 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ryy Kishin on 07/07/2005 16:27:07
Originally by: Na'Axin
The NPC's didn't whine... they trained the skills
Live Hard Die Young Leave A Good Looking Corpse
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Abudala
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Posted - 2005.07.07 17:07:00 -
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Bah...the Raven will survive this....the thing that concerns me the most is that they did to the friggies....like a kestral. I have a friend that I just got started in the game and he all the sudden could not use his ship anymore. Rocket launchers are the only thing that he can fit 4 of in his ship and they arnt worth a crap as you have to be within like 10k+ range for them to even hit. So its not a matter of what is happening to the older players out ther...what about the noobs?
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Sean Drake
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Posted - 2005.07.07 19:12:00 -
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Ok i agree with the post above the raven got hit with the nerf bat but the caldari frigs, ceptors and too a lesser extent cruisers got godamn hamered with the nerf bat.As a calderi pilot who prefers to fly elite frigs and cruisers i have a hanger full of ships which are worthless for a good 2 months. And before someone repeats "train the skills" i am but what am i supposed to use till then harsh language? I am lucky that i trained my Gunnery and all the other races ships up to at least cruiser to lvl4 but a fairly new caldari player is screwed
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2005.07.07 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 07/07/2005 21:34:00
hehe.. all i can do is just laff..
my scrop is junk now and me raven that i have spent a year working on is now getting pushed around like mad buy long range condom amar ships. its just gona take me too long too work my ships back into fighting shap now. i have already taking a long time working these ships too what they are so its like starting alover again i guess. you suckers can hang around if you wont and put up with this but its time for me too bail i guess.. i am getting sick of being pushed back more and more in this game the longer i play it.
an't it sopost too be the other way around? 
im just sitting around anyway doing f-all for fighting im just skill nerfed too death here. since i rp i wont work other ships. then if or when i care too work these ravens/scorps back up people i bet will just wine and cry again too nerf them i bet.. soo.. f-this crap i have had it..
ccp got my coin for 6 months so they can injoy it. when i see fair play with some nerfs too the amar ships then ill come back and have a look around again i guess.
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Carter Burke
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Posted - 2005.07.07 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Begottenotmade
Edited by: Begottenotmade on 06/07/2005 06:55:51
hey,
FFS guys the skills for new missles just came.We have had no time to "prepare" accept awareness that it was coming.This has been bullshyt from day one and since it's release...the raven has had nothing but nerfs....nothing!!! Never anything added; just nerfs.
If we had the skills in advance to train etc. might of been different.Yet there is tech one skills they r jsut releasing!!!How many months has the new turrets been out?THe skills encluded? FFS guys open your eye's this is not fair...if we knew about it or not...Bottom line is CCP ****ed up on this and thats it.A tech 1 BS that is still in beta form...ffs thats bullshyt.
begotten
I began training the new skills within seconds of purchasing them. Why? Because I prepped the prerequisites ahead of time.
Like the others here have pointed out, you've had TONS of advance notice (check out test server, and watch forums). Boo, hoo, hoo, you have to pause for a few days while you get the new skills up. You've had plenty of time to check out setups and prep the prereqs.
Suck it up and deal with it, or quit.
T
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.07.07 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tamur
Originally by: mematar
Im sorry this patch kinda sucks to me sorry to say i put in all that hard work to get my raven good in pvp, and npc'ing then u guys do all of this hey i like most the patch like the dreadnauts and all that but u guys nerf'ed the raven to much in my point of view it was the best bs now it is the crappiest. that is my imput anyone agree
FFS dude, the Raven has simply been balanced to bring it inline with all the other BS's out there.
People like you are just what this game DOESN't need! the patch is fine, the balancing is getting better so stop complaining that your Raven is now crap because it simply isn't, its is mearly now on par with the other BS's and will rely on YOUR skills to make it better rather than simply being overpowered from start.
Before you start moaning on here, sit back, have a think about what your going to write and look at it from all angles just like the Development team do before they do something like this! Its not a case of they get into work one morning and go "I know, today i'm going to change something for completely no reason at all!"
There IS a reason, and that was because it was overpowered before. Now it has been bought back into line. ADAPT!
Ahh yes raven was the absolute favorite ship for pvp. Yes it definately needed a nerf because it was absolutely umber in pvp those torps were just so umber powerfull thats why 9 out of 10 pvp bs out there are ravens instead of apocs and megas.
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Carter Burke
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Posted - 2005.07.07 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Begottenotmade
hey,
People that replyed with the normal...the raven is now balanced..etc etc. I bet you fly a turret based BS's.
PvE Raven here.
PvP Raven and Mega.
Does the missile nerf bug me? Nope. Why not? 'Cause I can still rule with a Raven. Have you considered for a moment that being a 2-month-old player should *not* put you on par with the toughest players in the game that drive Tempests?
Get over it, or get out of the way.
CB
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2005.07.07 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT
Edited by: OffBeaT on 07/07/2005 21:34:00
hehe.. all i can do is just laff..
my scrop is junk now and me raven that i have spent a year working on is now getting pushed around like mad buy long range condom amar ships. its just gona take me too long too work my ships back into fighting shap now. i have already taking a long time working these ships too what they are so its like starting alover again i guess. you suckers can hang around if you wont and put up with this but its time for me too bail i guess.. i am getting sick of being pushed back more and more in this game the longer i play it.
an't it sopost too be the other way around?
im just sitting around anyway doing f-all for fighting im just skill nerfed too death here. since i rp i wont work other ships. then if or when i care too work these ravens/scorps back up people i bet will just wine and cry again too nerf them i bet.. soo.. f-this crap i have had it..
ccp got my coin for 6 months so they can injoy it. when i see fair play with some nerfs too the amar ships then ill come back and have a look around again i guess.
Guess you missed the nerf to Pulse lasers that most Amarr ships relied upon heavily.
Clueless, skill-less, oblivious.
You can escrow all that useless junk to me.
That's not a moon... that's my POS
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2005.07.07 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Allen Deckard
Originally by: Tamur
Originally by: mematar
Im sorry this patch kinda sucks to me sorry to say i put in all that hard work to get my raven good in pvp, and npc'ing then u guys do all of this hey i like most the patch like the dreadnauts and all that but u guys nerf'ed the raven to much in my point of view it was the best bs now it is the crappiest. that is my imput anyone agree
FFS dude, the Raven has simply been balanced to bring it inline with all the other BS's out there.
People like you are just what this game DOESN't need! the patch is fine, the balancing is getting better so stop complaining that your Raven is now crap because it simply isn't, its is mearly now on par with the other BS's and will rely on YOUR skills to make it better rather than simply being overpowered from start.
Before you start moaning on here, sit back, have a think about what your going to write and look at it from all angles just like the Development team do before they do something like this! Its not a case of they get into work one morning and go "I know, today i'm going to change something for completely no reason at all!"
There IS a reason, and that was because it was overpowered before. Now it has been bought back into line. ADAPT!
Ahh yes raven was the absolute favorite ship for pvp. Yes it definately needed a nerf because it was absolutely umber in pvp those torps were just so umber powerfull thats why 9 out of 10 pvp bs out there are ravens instead of apocs and megas.
Actually the Raven and the Gankageddon were tied for quite some time for most often used BS in up close gank-style PVP. And the Raven will be again. Takes a couple or three weeks to train to the point you were at before, from there on you get even stronger than before. Additionally the Raven then becomes a good ship for mid to long range combat, something that you could never have achieved under the old system.
And yes, one of my characters flies Ravens exclusively.
That's not a moon... that's my POS
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Lei Kuzama
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Posted - 2005.07.08 00:12:00 -
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I am just amazed at all the talk about the Raven being nerfed. Once I found the right set-up, I could take a raven in my Apoc. Didnt matter that they had arbs on it and had been playing for 2 years, as have I. Fact of the matter is, there seem to be alot of folks gloating over the ravens demise. I was one who once thought the Raven was too powerful. Then I learned what skills i needed to beat it. Then it became my favorite mission ship, and now it is scrap metal. At least until I learn all the new skills and get her up to speed. At least in my Raven, I could go anywhere I wanted. But the fof cruise is gone from the siege launchers now, so I guess the pkers are gonna have a blast. Nerfing the raven was prolly a good idea. They have just gone too far too fast. I cant really use my millions of gunnery skills effectively on her, she only has 4 slots. So, she now has to wait, and see,, if she can become something of her former self. |
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