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mematar
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:26:00 -
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Im sorry this patch kinda sucks to me sorry to say i put in all that hard work to get my raven good in pvp, and npc'ing then u guys do all of this hey i like most the patch like the dreadnauts and all that but u guys nerf'ed the raven to much in my point of view it was the best bs now it is the crappiest. that is my imput anyone agree
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:28:00 -
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 Originally by: mematar
it was the best bs now it is the crappiest.
Oh Gee....
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Domalais
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:31:00 -
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Have you trained the new skills? No.
Have you tried new setups? No.
SO you're crying for no reason? Yes.
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Valen L'eganas
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:31:00 -
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Edited by: Valen L''eganas on 06/07/2005 05:33:31
Edited by: Valen L''eganas on 06/07/2005 05:31:02
Dude,
Upgrade your skills. Train up a little EW, and then do havoc. Raven is still a good BS, just need some skill tweeking (and perhaps more time for doing missions  )...
Other then that, we saw the changes comming so we had time to prepare (skill training for missiles etc.). Posts like this more reflect your personal feeling to the CW-patch and is kinda inviting for flames (can we have your stuff etc.  ).
We had tweeks before (can you say beam weapons?) and its not like half of the population left for SWG pr something.
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Kage Getsu
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:32:00 -
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Torps are still good against battleships. You just have to use a little more thought and training if you want to do damage to anything else.
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Val Amon
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:34:00 -
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I could do angel 7/10 complexs with 1 apoc transferring to me so raven needed a nerf beat down of the highest order.
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How many pilots does it take to wire a Flux Capacitor?
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Domalais
Have you trained the new skills? No.
Have you tried new setups? No.
SO you're crying for no reason? Yes.
That said it all.
I'll add some more though
So you cant mash f1 through f6 and shout "look I'm l33t" anymore? Change setups and train skills.
This is only the 86th post with the same whine.
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Sochin
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:51:00 -
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What hard work? Caldari BS 5, Torpedos lvl 5?
Nemo me impune lacessit
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TheNecromancer
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:51:00 -
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wtb ravens...paying 10mil each..
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infused
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:52:00 -
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Train what skills? To use a raven with torps and heavies you need what, 2-3m sp?
Pfff... go train the new skills.
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Purgatori
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Posted - 2005.07.06 06:10:00 -
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plz stop saying we had time to preparefor this... we didn't... missile skills ware introduced the same time with the nerf
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TheJay
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Posted - 2005.07.06 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Purgatori
plz stop saying we had time to preparefor this... we didn't... missile skills ware introduced the same time with the nerf
...and those changes were announced months ago IIRC
They've also been running for a while on the test server, have they not? 
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Begottenotmade
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Posted - 2005.07.06 06:53:00 -
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Edited by: Begottenotmade on 06/07/2005 06:55:51
hey,
FFS guys the skills for new missles just came.We have had no time to "prepare" accept awareness that it was coming.This has been bullshyt from day one and since it's release...the raven has had nothing but nerfs....nothing!!! Never anything added; just nerfs.
If we had the skills in advance to train etc. might of been different.Yet there is tech one skills they r jsut releasing!!!How many months has the new turrets been out?THe skills encluded? FFS guys open your eye's this is not fair...if we knew about it or not...Bottom line is CCP ****ed up on this and thats it.A tech 1 BS that is still in beta form...ffs thats bullshyt.
begotten
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jason hill
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Posted - 2005.07.06 06:57:00 -
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hmmm ..one word springs to mind ..adapt !!!
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Hells Bliss
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Posted - 2005.07.06 07:01:00 -
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Edited by: Hells Bliss on 06/07/2005 07:01:34
oh god, so the raven got nerfed.
fly a tempest around sometime. geez, you raven guys STILL have it good compared to that POS battleship lmao (I'm minmatar too *sigh*  )
you just need to train your skills up now....just like everybody else
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.07.06 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Begottenotmade
Edited by: Begottenotmade on 06/07/2005 06:55:51
hey,
FFS guys the skills for new missles just came.We have had no time to "prepare" accept awareness that it was coming.This has been bullshyt from day one and since it's release...the raven has had nothing but nerfs....nothing!!! Never anything added; just nerfs.
If we had the skills in advance to train etc. might of been different.Yet there is tech one skills they r jsut releasing!!!How many months has the new turrets been out?THe skills encluded? FFS guys open your eye's this is not fair...if we knew about it or not...Bottom line is CCP ****ed up on this and thats it.A tech 1 BS that is still in beta form...ffs thats bullshyt.
begotten
Gunnery...
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Tamur
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Posted - 2005.07.06 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: mematar
Im sorry this patch kinda sucks to me sorry to say i put in all that hard work to get my raven good in pvp, and npc'ing then u guys do all of this hey i like most the patch like the dreadnauts and all that but u guys nerf'ed the raven to much in my point of view it was the best bs now it is the crappiest. that is my imput anyone agree
FFS dude, the Raven has simply been balanced to bring it inline with all the other BS's out there.
People like you are just what this game DOESN't need! the patch is fine, the balancing is getting better so stop complaining that your Raven is now crap because it simply isn't, its is mearly now on par with the other BS's and will rely on YOUR skills to make it better rather than simply being overpowered from start.
Before you start moaning on here, sit back, have a think about what your going to write and look at it from all angles just like the Development team do before they do something like this! Its not a case of they get into work one morning and go "I know, today i'm going to change something for completely no reason at all!"
There IS a reason, and that was because it was overpowered before. Now it has been bought back into line. ADAPT!
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BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2005.07.06 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Begottenotmade
Edited by: Begottenotmade on 06/07/2005 06:55:51
hey,
FFS guys the skills for new missles just came.We have had no time to "prepare" accept awareness that it was coming.This has been bullshyt from day one and since it's release...the raven has had nothing but nerfs....nothing!!! Never anything added; just nerfs.
If we had the skills in advance to train etc. might of been different.Yet there is tech one skills they r jsut releasing!!!How many months has the new turrets been out?THe skills encluded? FFS guys open your eye's this is not fair...if we knew about it or not...Bottom line is CCP ****ed up on this and thats it.A tech 1 BS that is still in beta form...ffs thats bullshyt.
begotten
This is actually a very good point - give the skills before coming down on missile users like a ton of bricks.
Very good thinking...
Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage |
Cirale
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Posted - 2005.07.06 07:10:00 -
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missile nerf shissile nerf......
the new highways are what suck major goat nads. assets that were all within 10 jumps of eachother are now all past 10 jumps from eachother.....
ive been playing for 2 months, and to move over 300,000m3 of stuff to one loc, mostly through .4 gankgates, um I donno quiting seems more fun atm.
or just let it rot there and pretend imma newb again (okay im still a newb) till I can afford a transport ship to move it all safely to one place.....
meh, it was a fun 2 months
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BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2005.07.06 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Cirale
missile nerf shissile nerf......
the new highways are what suck major goat nads. assets that were all within 10 jumps of eachother are now all past 10 jumps from eachother.....
ive been playing for 2 months, and to move over 300,000m3 of stuff to one loc, mostly through .4 gankgates, um I donno quiting seems more fun atm.
or just let it rot there and pretend imma newb again (okay im still a newb) till I can afford a transport ship to move it all safely to one place.....
meh, it was a fun 2 months
This seems to me to be a rather well thought out idea - there is a sense of seperation between the 4 tribes or races. Let there be some sort of no-mans-land in between with dangerous areas between. Crossing from Gal' to Min space feels like something now...
Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage |
Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.07.06 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: BIRDofPREY
Originally by: Cirale
missile nerf shissile nerf......
the new highways are what suck major goat nads. assets that were all within 10 jumps of eachother are now all past 10 jumps from eachother.....
ive been playing for 2 months, and to move over 300,000m3 of stuff to one loc, mostly through .4 gankgates, um I donno quiting seems more fun atm.
or just let it rot there and pretend imma newb again (okay im still a newb) till I can afford a transport ship to move it all safely to one place.....
meh, it was a fun 2 months
This seems to me to be a rather well thought out idea - there is a sense of seperation between the 4 tribes or races. Let there be some sort of no-mans-land in between with dangerous areas between. Crossing from Gal' to Min space feels like something now...
Or you could sell and reprocess your **** instead of hoarding every bent nail and rusty hook you find.
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Cerberal
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Posted - 2005.07.06 08:03:00 -
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In other news...
Sucks for missile users...
But My artillery just became a whole lot sexier. I just ditched the 3 Heavy missile launchers on my BC and instead armed the biggest artillery i could find in the 5 turret slots. Oh yeah, and no worries about close combat, i have Heavy drones now along with weapon disruptors.
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Begottenotmade
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Posted - 2005.07.06 08:12:00 -
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hey,
People that replyed with the normal...the raven is now balanced..etc etc. I bet you fly a turret based BS's.So no need to hear your same regurgitated retoric. I have 3 accounts n EVE one of them is tech 2 tempest pilot.So I know how the cookie crumbles both ways.The fact is turrets both tech 2 mods and skill have been out forever!! FOREVER..Turret tech 2 damage mods anyone??
That is the point.The raven might be more "balanced" problem is the main weapon that platform is ment to used is nerfed back to genesis...I mean coem the **** on you can't be so blind as to see this is on the not fair side..ffs i have played this game since beta.... so i know how to adapt.The fact of the matter is....this is not fair on any lvl..none.First Ew skills them missle skills... ffs then put 6 turret slots on the ****in raven so i have some other route to go for now... this is just stupid and i stand very firmly next to that statement as i did when they talked about doing this shyt.
Adapting is one thing, being put back 3-4 months compared to all other bs users is bullshyt.At the moment the raven is a better vampire set up than anything else...how sad is that...Read the title of the raven.It's ment to be a hard hitting hard to kill ship.... and thats it.Now it sucks and untili have studied another 6-10 skills i won't be in comp. with any other in game bs's and that my people.. IS Bull ****!! 
begotten
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Grant Smith
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Posted - 2005.07.06 08:17:00 -
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WTF it doesn't take hardwork to get good at using a Raven in either PvP or PvE. At least you now need to train skills to be good at what you do just like us gunner do. Lovleh.
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Adam Weishaupt
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Posted - 2005.07.06 08:19:00 -
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Changes were announced a long time ago. They make sense, both in terms of 'realism' and in terms of game balance. I have personally trained more than a half million new points of Gunnery and increased my Drone skills since I heard this was going to happen, but I'm not sorry I put in the time for Torps 5...I plan to learn Torp Specialization, load up my tech 2 ammo, and go blast battleships with them. Meanwhile, my now much more accurate turrets and stronger drones will handle the little stuff.
If they had left it the same, it would have sucked more. Nobody is supposed to be able to waltz through level 4 missions with 2 or 3 million SP.
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Begottenotmade
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Posted - 2005.07.06 08:41:00 -
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hey
Grant just edit n delete your post....seriously.To the guy that trained drones n gunnery...um what ship are u going to use as neither bs has any hybrid bonuses....also the slots are lacking for turret use on the bs's...And caldari have the smallest drone bay of the bs's....so......
Does this mean i just take the hit and fly around a eagle or ferox... ffs.So now i have to comprimise with what i fly in game?Thats just about as big of a joke as i have heard.People don't think I don't know i can bust out my eagel when i want too...the bottom line is caldari is a missle based race.Plain n simple....More realistic?More balanced....um...possible.Tell me why people bring in Real life when it comes to explaining a nerf....there is so much in this game that isn't realistic or based upon that..mmmm kay.More balanced....thast the only statement that makes sense in any way....and they are deciding to balance this 2 years after the game has been out... WTF!!!
The point as I have said time and ****in time again..and i won't repeat as people just post after reading the first paragraph anyways...is.. This shyt should've been done a long time ago...this is just like the raven/missles are coming out of beta..
FFS HELLO PEOPLE THERE IS LIKE 4-6 NEW TECH 1 SKILLS TO LEARN!!!!!! FFS HELLO!!!!!!!! THIS DOES NOT TAKE IN ACCOUNT THE NEW EW I HAD TO TRAIN!!!!SO WHAT 10 ******* new skills.
ALL RELATING TO THE CALDARI SHIP BONUSES!!!!!!!!
How anyone can sit there and say this is fair....is beyond me...We should've had the skills a long time ago and bringing them out this late is about the most retarded thing in the world....I will be able to fly dread...b4 i have a decent Raven again... lol what a ******* joke.
begotten 
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aeti
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Posted - 2005.07.06 08:45:00 -
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raven got nerfed at close range, boosted at range, aka balanced ;|
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Golden Ratio
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Posted - 2005.07.06 08:49:00 -
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Edited by: Golden Ratio on 06/07/2005 08:50:13
Originally by: Begottenotmade
hey
Grant just edit n delete your post....seriously.To the guy that trained drones n gunnery...um what ship are u going to use as neither bs has any hybrid bonuses....also the slots are lacking for turret use on the bs's...And caldari have the smallest drone bay of the bs's....so......
Does this mean i just take the hit and fly around a eagle or ferox... ffs.So now i have to comprimise with what i fly in game?Thats just about as big of a joke as i have heard.People don't think I don't know i can bust out my eagel when i want too...the bottom line is caldari is a missle based race.Plain n simple....More realistic?More balanced....um...possible.Tell me why people bring in Real life when it comes to explaining a nerf....there is so much in this game that isn't realistic or based upon that..mmmm kay.More balanced....thast the only statement that makes sense in any way....and they are deciding to balance this 2 years after the game has been out... WTF!!!
The point as I have said time and ****in time again..and i won't repeat as people just post after reading the first paragraph anyways...is.. This shyt should've been done a long time ago...this is just like the raven/missles are coming out of beta..
FFS HELLO PEOPLE THERE IS LIKE 4-6 NEW TECH 1 SKILLS TO LEARN!!!!!! FFS HELLO!!!!!!!! THIS DOES NOT TAKE IN ACCOUNT THE NEW EW I HAD TO TRAIN!!!!SO WHAT 10 ******* new skills.
ALL RELATING TO THE CALDARI SHIP BONUSES!!!!!!!!
How anyone can sit there and say this is fair....is beyond me...We should've had the skills a long time ago and bringing them out this late is about the most retarded thing in the world....I will be able to fly dread...b4 i have a decent Raven again... lol what a ******* joke.
Exagerate more?
Whine more?
You are SO wrong on SO many points that I'm not even going to give you a statistic-filled reply. Please, please, please just quit eve. Now.
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d'hofren
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Posted - 2005.07.06 09:03:00 -
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Edited by: d''hofren on 06/07/2005 09:04:14
Missiles
I fly minmatar, missiles are quite important to me as well.
but
I read the threads in adavnce, I guessed what the pre-reqs would be for the support skills and trained them up.
I picked up the missile skills last night and started training. Target Navigation Prediction will be at lvl 4 within two days. Guided Missile Precision will be at lvl 3 within an other 3, (I guess). After that I'll go and run some lvl3 missions to form an opinion on which of the rof, damage etc skills should be trained next.
Spend a few days or maybe a week training the skills and then come back with a comment.
Map changes
The general gist of the map changes were posted 3 days ago. The night before patch day we had over 12k people online. If my corp reflected a microcosm of the macrocosm 90% of those players were hauling stuff around in preperation for the map changes. I feel sorry for anyone who missed out on the warnings and forum threads that prepped the ten thousand odd of us who saw it coming. This is a game where intel is half the fight.
Patch
I have to say nice one CCP and great job Q&A. After the exodus patch I was scared to undock for a week. This time I felt confident to undock in a frig and go shopping within a couple of hours of the patch going live. I logged on this morning to change skills and spoke to two corp mates who mined all night. Nice stable roll out so far chaps. If you Q&A chaps ever need a work referance drop me or the other subscribers a line.
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It's an online game. Online games are always populated at people who look at their wood elf and whine that everyone else's dagger is bigger than theirs.
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Gendo Onasha
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Posted - 2005.07.06 09:04:00 -
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Well, I am a Missile-only Frigate Pilot as well (rather new, tho).
I tried out the Missile changes once on the test server and thought to myself "That's going to suck a lot". I prepared for it mentally, kind of.
Now that we're hit with I got out and immediately got me those missile Skills and trained it up 1 level each. Tell you what? I'm almost back to my usual performance in my Kestrel. A bit lower range (like 2km less than usual) and a bit lower damage of like 90 on structure (used to be 108). I also can fit only 3 standard launchers now because of grid changes, which reduces the total damage output, but that's something I can live with.
But despite those facts I actually LIKE IT. Due to the increased Missile Speeds it is SO much more fun to do missile fights now, it gained a lot of speed and requires much faster reactions than ealier.
So I dare to say "Adapt and get over with or die" altho I'm pretty noobish...
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Begottenotmade
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Posted - 2005.07.06 09:05:00 -
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I'm wrong... the reason u won't reply u muppet is for the fact that I am right.
Bring it m8,I hang around a2- and i'll smack you like the lazy punk you are.Either post something that has to do with the thread or stfu and come down so I can pod you a few times. thanks
begotten
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Steiner
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Posted - 2005.07.06 09:11:00 -
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I LUB this patch!
Good Job CCP *Big Kiss*
-Steiner
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Spaced Skunk
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Posted - 2005.07.06 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Spaced Skunk on 06/07/2005 09:19:16
Before the patch came out, I was setting up a mining route...one of my corp members anchored some secures to a belt, there were 2.5-5K pirates, nothing too hard for my 2 med drones...now theres 5 5-10K pirates using missiles! Forcing me now to give up my perfect mining setup on my osprey to something more offensive....the cold war patch to me is forcing everyone to learn fighting skills...I aint bothered about there being soooo many jumps to get to a place anymore...I subscribed to this game because I thought I could choose what profession I become!
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Tbone
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Posted - 2005.07.06 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Begottenotmade
hey,
People that replyed with the normal...the raven is now balanced..etc etc. I bet you fly a turret based BS's.So no need to hear your same regurgitated retoric. I have 3 accounts n EVE one of them is tech 2 tempest pilot.So I know how the cookie crumbles both ways.The fact is turrets both tech 2 mods and skill have been out forever!! FOREVER..Turret tech 2 damage mods anyone??
That is the point.The raven might be more "balanced" problem is the main weapon that platform is ment to used is nerfed back to genesis...I mean coem the **** on you can't be so blind as to see this is on the not fair side..ffs i have played this game since beta.... so i know how to adapt.The fact of the matter is....this is not fair on any lvl..none.First Ew skills them missle skills... ffs then put 6 turret slots on the ****in raven so i have some other route to go for now... this is just stupid and i stand very firmly next to that statement as i did when they talked about doing this shyt.
Adapting is one thing, being put back 3-4 months compared to all other bs users is bullshyt.At the moment the raven is a better vampire set up than anything else...how sad is that...Read the title of the raven.It's ment to be a hard hitting hard to kill ship.... and thats it.Now it sucks and untili have studied another 6-10 skills i won't be in comp. with any other in game bs's and that my people.. IS Bull ****!!
begotten
Yeah and us other people, didnt get the skills needed til the time came for a patch. Give it up. You now gotta train skills we did. Missile users been complaining for months they wanted new skills. GUESS WHAT, you got them! Now take the time we took to train them and quit complaining. Everything is better balance now, and ravens still hit hard on a BS. So pvpers will just have to get use to it.
2 words - MIXED FLEETS. (hint - use frigs for frigs/cruisers).
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Begottenotmade
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Posted - 2005.07.06 09:44:00 -
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yeah,
Understood, again it's not what i'm talking about m8.It's the fact of the time it is.The fact that this is not tech II.These skills are tech I.They are being released with tech II....that alone tells you how ****** and late they are into the game.Thats what i am saying.Again i adapt and will many times in this game..ofc it's to late ..to whine etc. i'm not whining i'm simply stating hte fact of fairness and this my friend is NOT FAIR..simple as that.
There was just introduced Tech I missles skils into the game close to 6 of them....not Tech II..Tech I.There has been no race or pilot that have had to do this until now... and this late into the game... i mean come on..thats just dumb.So please think of the full picture b4 posting.This " get with it and train like we had too" etc. don't cut it as this has never happened.Tech II and Tech I are sooo different.These are Tech I skills....and they are introduced 2 years into the game.Significantly nerfing Caldari pilots that choose to use missles.. bottom line. no more less.
begotten
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NoGun
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Posted - 2005.07.06 09:52:00 -
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NERF MINING!!! :)
*waits for the hate*
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Rogue Intake
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Posted - 2005.07.06 09:53:00 -
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Jesus Christ! i can't believe the amount of moaning and whining about the missile changes and supposed Raven nerf.
You say that you are now 3-4months (or whatever) behind the turret users. How about thinking that you are 3-4 months ahead with assets and cash you have been able to hoard on the lvl 4 missions etc.
The turret users haven't had as much luxury to go into lvl 4 missions and **** it like you's. Fine, you have training to do, but who the hell hasn't????
And although the turret based bs's have had their skills for a while and trained them up, does not mean they can go into lvl 4 missions like the raven used to, just count yourself lucky that you had 4 months of easy lvl 4 missions.
I think the changes are good myself. It will make a nice change to see other Battleships exiting Rens Brutor Tribe Treasury station than Ravens.
TBH, turret users still have it more difficult cos if they want tech 2 turrets on their BS's they have to train level 5 small medium and large turrets, as well as lvl 4 in the specializations. The Missile based players require just torpedo lvl 5 and the specialization lvl 1 onwards to fit them (I believe this is correct).
The amount of gunnery skills required to make turrets even worth bothering takes ages to learn (motion prediction, rapid firing, surgical strike etc). It's only fair for the missile users have the same.
So your cruise and torps won't hit small ships as well anymore. lol welcome to turretville where you'd be lucky to hit them at all.
Just learn to live with it or escrow your stuff to Rogue Intake..
Adapt ppl, you'll never do the lvl 4 missions like you did.....get used to it, we have!
Regards
Rogue
P.S. I fly Tempests, Apocs and Ravens.
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Grainsalt
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Posted - 2005.07.06 09:57:00 -
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My god... In the time I found out about this nerf I had time to train up a Megathron AND train 2.5million skill points in gunnery... whilst I am using that for level 4's now while I now train up my missiles again... And BTW you can still level 4 with ravens, just means you cant do it in 1 pop while watching a movie anymore.
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.07.06 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: TheJay
Originally by: Purgatori
plz stop saying we had time to preparefor this... we didn't... missile skills ware introduced the same time with the nerf
...and those changes were announced months ago IIRC
They've also been running for a while on the test server, have they not?
wtf? how does that help us? skills on sisi? OH, THAT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE. DAMN, IF I HAD ONLY KNOWN I WOULD HAVE HAD ALL MY SKILLS ON SINGULARITY TRAINED FOR WHEN THE PATCH CAME TO TRANQUILITY.
don't be dumb..
and for the record, i love the missile changes and I love the patch.
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I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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Tawl
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Posted - 2005.07.06 10:07:00 -
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stop bloody moaning and play the game............
BAH! grow up, the world is still spinning aint it?...
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Taho Ra
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Posted - 2005.07.06 10:10:00 -
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Uehh uehhh, i want do be feared again by BS, frigats, cruiser etc etc...
Before the patch, a apoc, could be raped by a few frigates or interceptors, and he couldnt do anything just *miss miss miss*
Raven (with just a few skill points in missel), would probably kill all the frigates and interceptors or they had to warp away.
Raven are still POWERFULL, but not agains all ships like they use to, if you where a tackler and you had to go and scambler a raven you will always think "im going to die" if it has other BS you wouldnt think that...
Raven still do the same damage agains BS and more damage because of the speed of the torp, and they still are one of the harder ships on 1on1.
Balance sucks doesnt it...
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2005.07.06 10:11:00 -
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its a bit too late for this! you should have read the forums more if you didn't like the coming changes. where were you 2 months ago?
Also yeah, raven is much more innefective for pve, if you had read the forum and saw it comeing you would have trained up gunnery skills and just given up on missles for PvE purposes.
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Erik Pathfinder
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Posted - 2005.07.06 10:18:00 -
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All in all a great patch, especially the missile changes. I do think the fitting requirements for standard launchers and rocket launchers is out of whack though. Also, CCP could have spared a lot of grief by releasing some of these skill early (sans bonuses of course, activated after patch day) most especially the flight time / flight speed skills, seeing as how those have been reduced significantly. I'm sure you would all agree that allowing players to prepare skills for a patch is more fair. Since their bonuses wouldn't be activated until after patch, there wouldn't be any unfair advantage and it would still be time spent training those skills instead of something else.
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Posted - 2005.07.06 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Begottenotmade
Edited by: Begottenotmade on 06/07/2005 09:13:12
Edited by: Begottenotmade on 06/07/2005 09:12:38
I'm wrong... the reason u won't reply u muppet is for the fact that I am right.
Bring it m8,I hang around a2- and i'll smack you like the lazy punk you are.Either post something that has to do with the thread or stfu and come down so I can pod you a few times. thanks
You probably wont be able to hit him now.
Anyway hard work for raven???? I spent 2 weeks training for a raven so i could rat easily and then i spent oooooo i dunno about 6 months so i could get a poc/geddon at a good stage. You know what else........ ah forget it go get me a beer and shut up.
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Posted - 2005.07.06 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Begottenotmade on 06/07/2005 11:26:39
NEW FLASH
NOT EVERYONE WITH A RAVEN HUNTS NPC OR MISSIONS...lol come with yet another excuse.. It's not fair how they did it plain and simple.. and i did ***** about this **** 2 months ago....So again...stop wasting peoples time tryign to psot excuses why it was or could be considered fair.
begotten
P.s. chippie come to me and get the beer m8, and i'll gladly get one for you....bring a decent ship too..mm kay.
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Aturayd
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Posted - 2005.07.06 11:32:00 -
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I dont know where you are getting this that the raven was overpowerful in pvp. Maybe in running agent missions but it was the worst ship tbh in pvp. Any small group of gunships would just love running into a couple ravens because A, tanks never last in group fights, B, missiles were slower than sh!t so by the time they came close to hitting, the target raven would warp or the missiled target would warp and the whole stream was a a waste. Now at least they have more of a chance of hitting, and at least you have to put a little more thought into your setups instead of just 6 seige and a cargo full of torps cruise and fofs.
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Xymbias
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Posted - 2005.07.06 11:59:00 -
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What i personally hate about these patches, it's that you have to train up a **** load of skills just to get back to where you were before the patch...
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Lufio II
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Posted - 2005.07.06 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Xymbias
What i personally hate about these patches, it's that you have to train up a **** load of skills just to get back to where you were before the patch...
if you train the skills completely you're actually better off than before the patch...
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Lyra VX
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Posted - 2005.07.06 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Begottenotmade
NOT EVERYONE WITH A RAVEN HUNTS NPC OR MISSIONS...lol come with yet another excuse.. It's not fair how they did it plain and simple.. and i did ***** about this **** 2 months ago....So again...stop wasting peoples time tryign to psot excuses why it was or could be considered fair.
I don't get it. Ravens are still going to be the best damage dealing battleship against other battleships. They can still punch cruisers hard enough to make them think twice.
Are you getting ****y because you can't 2-hit-kill interceptors anymore?
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Suze'Rain
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Posted - 2005.07.06 13:09:00 -
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personally, as a raven pilot, the nerf was a long time in the coming, and well deserved.
what, I'm personally irked by is that light/standard missile launchers have been absolutely murdered. seige launchers having a 25% powergrid increase rather pales into insignificance over the 266% increase on a standard launcher - not least because they've been hit a lot harder, and in ships like frigates that have much less leeway in their PG usage - a BS you might have 1-200pg spare, a frig, 1-2PG is priceless, and this patch has wrecked an awful lot of frigates much harder than the raven players. That's the thing that's rather anoyed me, personally, particularly as I consider frigs to be the "fun" ships for the game, and it's taken out most of the fun.
(and a little shame that the missile speeds mean my interceptors can't outrun missiles any more. I used to love orbiting so fast that missiles were chasing me... always made me laugh...)S.
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Begottenotmade
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Posted - 2005.07.06 13:22:00 -
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hey,
FFS people read what i type.....all of my posts explain time and time again what my beef is...ffs...and you still don't get it!!!Still talking about the raven not being uber..or good for this or that... use visine or what ever you have to clean your eye's out and read the ****in post....
The skills and the time it takes to train THEM... HELLO..is that so hard to understand or are you choosing to be dumb?We are talking about Tech I skills that got dropped on us...needing to be trained ot at east lvl 3's to even be close to where we were...not better...not as good.. sort of the same...We have 6 or so Tech I skills that we have to train...and no the raven won't be that much better after they are trained.Only thing that will be betteris the speed.The rest will be worse or the same..most being worse...mmm KAY.
So ffs get off the "omg ur raven is not uber" alrdy.Read a full post if you want to ******* comment here FFS...
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2005.07.06 13:29:00 -
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When the turret tracking changes hit a year ago alot of turret users had to train up a lot of tech1 skills to ge too reasonable efficiency as well. Hell, they still aren't asw efficient as they once were even with every conceivable skil at lvl 5.
Now, the skills you need to train to be at acceptable level of efficiency again (and acceptable being lower then pre-patch yes), is a few days, not more.
I suggest you get started and stop whining.
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Ryy Kishin
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Posted - 2005.07.06 13:44:00 -
[53]
 Waaaaaaaaaa boohoohoo they took away my win button
Take off the diapers ladies stop crying train the skills, adapt and overcome. 
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Begottenotmade
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Posted - 2005.07.06 14:02:00 -
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hey,
Thanks for nothing; both of you arse hats!!!I have the skills atm at lvl 2's and working my way up.Still don't change the facts.!!! This is unfair...not a whine..or a rant.. just a fact you noobies.
Those tech I turret skills you talk about havign to train fromt he start..lol!!!...WERE IN GAME FOREVER YOU MUPPET....so again read what is typed and come with a better reason why this is fair... ffs.You guys are just throwing shyt out without thinking I suggest you think b4 you post ffs.
and boo hoo like I said b4 you idiot.. I have three accounts only one based on caldari so I'm not that hurt by this...but the fact is it is unfair.. BOTTOM LINE.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2005.07.06 14:09:00 -
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Are Gallente piloting Caldari ships or something?
Eve has never been fair. Fairness doesn't even enter into the Caldari mindset. So it's our turn to suffer, so our missile turrets are developing faults and the fixes reduce their effectiveness. In the end it doesn't matter, because we are Caldari and will never let little things like this hold us back.
Adapt or die. It's not merely an adage, it's a way of life to us.
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Scrofalitic One
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Posted - 2005.07.06 14:11:00 -
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Begotten,
Would you prefer that CCP did nothing to rectify an imbalance? All you seem to be worked up about is that the skills are level 1 skills, well surely this is better? Will take less time to train, no?
They could eaasily have made all the new skills advanced ones, requiring at least level 4 in other skills first, but didn't.
Be grateful that we have devs & creative team who will CHANGE WHAT IS WRONG, even if that does mean putting in a load of level 1 skills.
Personally I'd far rather that every 8 - 12 mionths they do a substantial tweak to further balance the game, than just say "Meh, oh well, we got it wrong 12 months ago but can't chgange anything now because it will make it look like we are still altering a beta program".
Maybe (even after reading your rants repeatedly) I am still missing your point. Aleways possible :)
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Ryy Kishin
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Posted - 2005.07.06 14:19:00 -
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This was taken from another thread.
36hrs is not long to train skills to get things to the way they were.
To get back to pre patch Damage over time will take approx 12 hours (Rapid launching 3 and Warhead upgrades 2).
To double your damage against frigs will take approx another 12 hours (Guided Missile precision 3 and Target Navigation prediction 2)
To Double your range will take another 12 hours (Missile Bombardment 3, Missile Projection 2).
So in 36 hours (of which 12 is already done) you can get back to seriously wtfpwning. JUST THIRTY SIX HOURS TO BASICALLY DOUBLE YOUR EFFECTIVENESS.
After that, all further training makes you BETTER than pre-patch.
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Tanakka
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Posted - 2005.07.06 14:31:00 -
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CCP, How could you do this to us?!?!? How can you change things? DOnt you understand that change is bad? Why cant you just leave everything alone and let us enjoy the game.
That way, in about 6 months to a year, all of these annoying people would leave the game and leave us l33t players alone to enjoy it.
That would give us an 6 blissful change free months before CCP realizes the player base had shrunk below profitable levels.
You whinners dont think thats exactly what would happen without change? Look at how many great "Game of the year" winners are still going strong and unchanged after a year or two.
Change is life people. If you cant deal with that, get a therapist and a stand alone game and have at it.
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zaged
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Posted - 2005.07.06 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: zaged on 06/07/2005 15:53:09
ohhh raven pilots complaining? what about typhoon pilots eh? they have to train up missile skills aswell + they already had to train gunnery + alot of drone skills to make use of the nice and large dronebay....
Ohh damn i forgot, now we also need to train up drones to keep up.
No worries tho, i will adapt
In other words : dont think your the only ones affected and stop whining thx :)
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mematar
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Posted - 2005.07.06 17:53:00 -
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listen i dont care really that they nerfed the missles but i do see the only thing i hate is yea they told us they were going to but how could we prepare we did not have the skills to prepare for it. all we could do is sit there.im training to be in a mega and ishtar now so i dont care it will take me about 10days but all u turrent users shouldnt even be saying anything because u dont fly missles if u did hey kewl say what u got to, but if u are a turrent user stop talking lol more balanced yea right how do u call this more balanced i use to beable to kill a 8/10 compex now i cant even kill a dread spawn alone anymore. see atleast when u turrent users supposedly got nerf atleast u guys can still kill alone lol us ravens cant.
see i dont care that they did it now im going to gallente but its the fact they made the best ship the worst ship and that isnt even kewl but hey crap happens.like i said before if they had given use the skills before this to prepare EVERYTHING would be different but they didnt flat out and that was a mistake.
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Ronin Woman
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Posted - 2005.07.06 19:44:00 -
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I'll buy that crappy Raven from you for 15 million.
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Posted - 2005.07.06 19:58:00 -
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in other news......
the pope got ganked and they nerfed electric go carts
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Posted - 2005.07.06 20:02:00 -
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Ok, I have to put my 2 cents in.
I'd like to start off by saying that I'm relatively new (1 1/2 months). I'm in a Caracal already. Did I find it odd that I was able to get into a Cruiser straight away? Yes...I did. Do I find it odd that I can get into a BS within a few more days of training? Yes... I do. Why?
For all intents and purposes, let me just say that a n00b has no business being in a BS. I just got my a$$ handed to me in a lvl 2 mission with drones - in a Caracal!!! And in a few days I can fly a BS?? Sure...I'll run right out and do that, in the meantime, I am ineffectual as a true 'captain' of the ship because I don't have the *gasp* skills to use it yet!! Imagine that 1 1/2 months into the game and I don't have the skills to EFFECTIVELY fly a BS. And for those who can't read between the lines here - I'm being saracastic. Yes, I can get into a BS soon, no I won't be...not until I can use it the way it's supposed to be used.
God people, be somewhat realistic. So what if they CHANGED the way the missles are being used. ADAPT! And for heaven's sake, STOP YOUR WHINING AND BELLY ACHING! We are all sick of hearing it. You think it's oh so bad boo hoo...my God, it's happened to everyone, so stfu and gbtw...please! There's a tissue at the door on your way out....
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Posted - 2005.07.06 20:25:00 -
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Torps b4 Nerf 540 damage .... after nerf 40 damage .... thats a hefty nurf!!!! so ppl have the right to moan and voice there disgust ... after all its a free country..... so stop whinging about those who are whinging !
These ppl now have to recruit 3 more ppl to do the same damage in a similar time as they did solo pre nurf.....yet the reward has not quadrupled !
Oh and for those of you that say this is a multiplayer game and you shouldnt be playing solo .... read the Game manual it states solo as a choice .... besides Multiplayer means Multi players .....not 1 big group or lots of smaller groups.
Yes there are new skills ....yet they weren't available pre nurf, and even once trained to Lv5, Torps will not be hitting as they did Pre nurf !
personally I am Trained in Hybrids, Projectiles, Lazors as well as Tops/missiles .... yet Missiles suited they way i like to play ....... now I am forced to play in a different style .... that has made the game less apealing to me .... so I am Whinging too.
Whinge whinge whinge whinch.
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Imran
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Posted - 2005.07.06 20:41:00 -
[65]
megathrons for teh win.
ravens are teh sux ^^.
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grappler
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Posted - 2005.07.06 20:46:00 -
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ok everyone wants to complain about something and its usually about a nerf to a weapon class in one way or another, has anyone noticed that they just take away the good attributes of one class anytime someone starts complaining? lasers..used to own then people complained so they made them alot weaker, then they nerfed the crystal bonuses. projectiles..used to be uber then they took away the ability to hit a planet at 20 paces, now its time for the missiles to get screwed. why not jsut make each class comparable at each level and leave it at that? each race should have an option that is pretty comparable to each other races weapons in the same size. Now I am amarr and use lasers but I really dont agree with the changes because I know if you take a 10,000 sq foot house and drop a 10k pound bomb on it its gonna level the house right ? now take the same bomb and drop it on a 1000 sq foot house, is it gonna just break a window? nope its gonna freakin vaporize it, same concept different senario.
Time to get to start sellin frigs for 5 mil each since they are the new uber ship
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Posted - 2005.07.06 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: grappler
I know if you take a 10,000 sq foot house and drop a 10k pound bomb on it its gonna level the house right ? now take the same bomb and drop it on a 1000 sq foot house, is it gonna just break a window? nope its gonna freakin vaporize it, same concept different senario
Houses don't move, man. I'd love to see someone try and take out a fighter plane with a cruise missile.
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Tochik Nhill
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Posted - 2005.07.07 03:07:00 -
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Agreed Mrfuji, the poster above you gave a horrid example to the game. See my signature for something more relative
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Posted - 2005.07.07 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tochik Nhill
Agreed Mrfuji, the poster above you gave a horrid example to the game. See my signature for something more relative
Both witty and entirely correct.
I am sick to death of reading 'Missles are Nerfed' and 'I can't solo my level 4 missions anymore cause my win button has dissapeared'.
I am a Megathron / Dominix pilot only. I remember when my 425's could hit almost anything at almost any range. The day they introduced the 'Tracking changes' patch for turrets, was (at that point in time) the day I actually considered leaving for good. But I didn't, I trained up all those additional lvl1 skills to 3 or 4 each and, guess what, I started actually having MORE fun! Sure I couldn't one volley pop frigs anymore, but it introduced something a lot of the whining Raven pilots don't consider, a requirement to have SKILL.
I can't remember whether they introduced the turret skills prior to or after the introduction of the patch, however I didn't start training them until after. I don't see the problem with them introducing the skills at the same time as the change. Otherwise, we would have had many even more uber Ravens running around prior to the new patch.
Anyway, I'm getting off track. This is a highly needed change that has been a damm long time coming. The effect of the change not bought in would have had even further lasting reprocussions on the rest of the universe (inflation anyone?), as a noobish raven pilot was never intended to be able to solo lvl4 missions or pop frigs with torps.
Now go train some of those skills for a couple of days, then adapt to the changes. I have to fit different loadouts depending on what I intend to fight, and sometime I get it wrong and get podded. Now Ravens / missle based ships do as well.
So where is the problem?
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Corvus Anderran
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Posted - 2005.07.07 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Eleven
Torps b4 Nerf 540 damage .... after nerf 40 damage .... thats a hefty nurf!!!! so ppl have the right to moan and voice there disgust ... after all its a free country..... so stop whinging about those who are whinging !
These ppl now have to recruit 3 more ppl to do the same damage in a similar time as they did solo pre nurf.....yet the reward has not quadrupled !
Oh and for those of you that say this is a multiplayer game and you shouldnt be playing solo .... read the Game manual it states solo as a choice .... besides Multiplayer means Multi players .....not 1 big group or lots of smaller groups.
Yes there are new skills ....yet they weren't available pre nurf, and even once trained to Lv5, Torps will not be hitting as they did Pre nurf !
personally I am Trained in Hybrids, Projectiles, Lazors as well as Tops/missiles .... yet Missiles suited they way i like to play ....... now I am forced to play in a different style .... that has made the game less apealing to me .... so I am Whinging too.
Whinge whinge whinge whinch.
Shoot your torps at the targets they were intended for instead of frigates. That's all that really needs to be said.
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BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2005.07.07 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: MrFuji
Originally by: grappler
I know if you take a 10,000 sq foot house and drop a 10k pound bomb on it its gonna level the house right ? now take the same bomb and drop it on a 1000 sq foot house, is it gonna just break a window? nope its gonna freakin vaporize it, same concept different senario
Houses don't move, man. I'd love to see someone try and take out a fighter plane with a cruise missile.
Okay...
an AIM-54 Phoneix missle against a MiG-21PF...
Put that MiG over San Diego and launch that Phoenix From Los Angeles..
Say bye bye to the Mig..
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BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2005.07.07 06:12:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Corvus Anderran
Originally by: Eleven
Torps b4 Nerf 540 damage .... after nerf 40 damage .... thats a hefty nurf!!!! so ppl have the right to moan and voice there disgust ... after all its a free country..... so stop whinging about those who are whinging !
These ppl now have to recruit 3 more ppl to do the same damage in a similar time as they did solo pre nurf.....yet the reward has not quadrupled !
Oh and for those of you that say this is a multiplayer game and you shouldnt be playing solo .... read the Game manual it states solo as a choice .... besides Multiplayer means Multi players .....not 1 big group or lots of smaller groups.
Yes there are new skills ....yet they weren't available pre nurf, and even once trained to Lv5, Torps will not be hitting as they did Pre nurf !
personally I am Trained in Hybrids, Projectiles, Lazors as well as Tops/missiles .... yet Missiles suited they way i like to play ....... now I am forced to play in a different style .... that has made the game less apealing to me .... so I am Whinging too.
Whinge whinge whinge whinch.
Shoot your torps at the targets they were intended for instead of frigates. That's all that really needs to be said.
Funny thing...
A frigate is about 450 feet long.
Why do we keep acting like they are fighters?
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grappler
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Posted - 2005.07.07 10:02:00 -
[73]
Originally by: MrFuji
Originally by: grappler
I know if you take a 10,000 sq foot house and drop a 10k pound bomb on it its gonna level the house right ? now take the same bomb and drop it on a 1000 sq foot house, is it gonna just break a window? nope its gonna freakin vaporize it, same concept different senario
Houses don't move, man. I'd love to see someone try and take out a fighter plane with a cruise missile.
not talking about the ability to move Im talking about the impact. if by chance the cruise missle did hit the fighter plane what do you think it would do to the plane ? yeah your right it might scuff the paint.
and yes I an hit a fly with a banana
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Avalon Beholder
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Posted - 2005.07.07 10:05:00 -
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wrong If the plane was moving faster than the explosion, then it would not be damaged.
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Kar Brogan
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Posted - 2005.07.07 10:30:00 -
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I thought it was said a while ago that when a missile engages a ship smaller than the size it was intended for, it doesnt try to collide it instead proximity detonates.
Thus a fast ship with a low signature will not only be hard for the missile to track (and therfore harder to detonate near to) but will also escape the worst of the explosion.
Remember in space there is no concussion wave ahead of the explosion, so it is only the rapidly expanding cloud of particles/energy that the ship must minamise contact with.These 'clouds' are semi-permenant (ie last a few seconds).
A stationary ship will be inside the explosion for a full 2 or 3 seconds, taking '100%' damage.A fast moving ship may well only be on the edge of the explosion for less than a second, thus taking only a third (or less) of the full damage.
So that arbitary full '250pts' of damage is what would happen to a ship sitting directly inside the explosion for its entire 2 or 3 second duration, if the missile detonates directly next to it.
If the missile detonates away from the ship, and the ship is moving fast enough to only be in contact with the explosion for a second, then it is obviously only going to take a fraction of 'full' damage.
Additionaly, current day definitions of cruise missiles are pointless. In the world of Eve a cruise missile may be more like an old-style ICBM...try hitting a fighter reliably with one of those.
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Findail
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Posted - 2005.07.07 11:13:00 -
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Pity the patch didn't modify Caldari ships and give them 7 turret hardpoints. Would at least make them useful while training the new skills.
I'm leaving the raven in the garage for several weeks while I train up the new skills. If it still sucks after that..... could melt it down for something else I guess
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BladeMos
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Posted - 2005.07.07 15:31:00 -
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This patch really stinks cause of the bugs but if they fix the bugs fast it would be fun again but for now im leaving eve.i can spend 25dollors on something else.
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Ryy Kishin
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Posted - 2005.07.07 15:38:00 -
[78]
Originally by: BladeMos
This patch really stinks cause of the bugs but if they fix the bugs fast it would be fun again but for now im leaving eve.i can spend 25dollors on something else.
Bye
Live Hard Die Young Leave A Good Looking Corpse!
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Derik Tandy
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Posted - 2005.07.07 15:57:00 -
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Well, CCP did go way overboard on the missile nerf. I don't know play tested the nerf in Singualrity, but this is stupid. Increased equiping cost, decreased range, decrease damage, and increased rate of fire. I don't remember any of the other nerfs doing so much to a weapon type. One or two of these things would have balanced out the game. And for those yelling train the new skill, maybe you should take a close look at what happend and just what little difference the new skills will make and putting things even close to where they were. BTW.......... nerf the freaking npc's too CCP. Your missile launching frigates still do 75 points of damage for a missile hit. That's pretty bad when a heavy missile hitting said frigate only averages about 40 points.
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Na'Axin
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Posted - 2005.07.07 16:08:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Derik Tandy
Well, CCP did go way overboard on the missile nerf. I don't know play tested the nerf in Singualrity, but this is stupid. Increased equiping cost, decreased range, decrease damage, and increased rate of fire. I don't remember any of the other nerfs doing so much to a weapon type. One or two of these things would have balanced out the game. And for those yelling train the new skill, maybe you should take a close look at what happend and just what little difference the new skills will make and putting things even close to where they were. BTW.......... nerf the freaking npc's too CCP. Your missile launching frigates still do 75 points of damage for a missile hit. That's pretty bad when a heavy missile hitting said frigate only averages about 40 points.
The NPC's didn't whine... they trained the skills
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Ryy Kishin
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Posted - 2005.07.07 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ryy Kishin on 07/07/2005 16:27:07
Originally by: Na'Axin
The NPC's didn't whine... they trained the skills
Live Hard Die Young Leave A Good Looking Corpse
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Abudala
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Posted - 2005.07.07 17:07:00 -
[82]
Bah...the Raven will survive this....the thing that concerns me the most is that they did to the friggies....like a kestral. I have a friend that I just got started in the game and he all the sudden could not use his ship anymore. Rocket launchers are the only thing that he can fit 4 of in his ship and they arnt worth a crap as you have to be within like 10k+ range for them to even hit. So its not a matter of what is happening to the older players out ther...what about the noobs?
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Sean Drake
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Posted - 2005.07.07 19:12:00 -
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Ok i agree with the post above the raven got hit with the nerf bat but the caldari frigs, ceptors and too a lesser extent cruisers got godamn hamered with the nerf bat.As a calderi pilot who prefers to fly elite frigs and cruisers i have a hanger full of ships which are worthless for a good 2 months. And before someone repeats "train the skills" i am but what am i supposed to use till then harsh language? I am lucky that i trained my Gunnery and all the other races ships up to at least cruiser to lvl4 but a fairly new caldari player is screwed
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2005.07.07 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 07/07/2005 21:34:00
hehe.. all i can do is just laff..
my scrop is junk now and me raven that i have spent a year working on is now getting pushed around like mad buy long range condom amar ships. its just gona take me too long too work my ships back into fighting shap now. i have already taking a long time working these ships too what they are so its like starting alover again i guess. you suckers can hang around if you wont and put up with this but its time for me too bail i guess.. i am getting sick of being pushed back more and more in this game the longer i play it.
an't it sopost too be the other way around? 
im just sitting around anyway doing f-all for fighting im just skill nerfed too death here. since i rp i wont work other ships. then if or when i care too work these ravens/scorps back up people i bet will just wine and cry again too nerf them i bet.. soo.. f-this crap i have had it..
ccp got my coin for 6 months so they can injoy it. when i see fair play with some nerfs too the amar ships then ill come back and have a look around again i guess.
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Carter Burke
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Posted - 2005.07.07 22:04:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Begottenotmade
Edited by: Begottenotmade on 06/07/2005 06:55:51
hey,
FFS guys the skills for new missles just came.We have had no time to "prepare" accept awareness that it was coming.This has been bullshyt from day one and since it's release...the raven has had nothing but nerfs....nothing!!! Never anything added; just nerfs.
If we had the skills in advance to train etc. might of been different.Yet there is tech one skills they r jsut releasing!!!How many months has the new turrets been out?THe skills encluded? FFS guys open your eye's this is not fair...if we knew about it or not...Bottom line is CCP ****ed up on this and thats it.A tech 1 BS that is still in beta form...ffs thats bullshyt.
begotten
I began training the new skills within seconds of purchasing them. Why? Because I prepped the prerequisites ahead of time.
Like the others here have pointed out, you've had TONS of advance notice (check out test server, and watch forums). Boo, hoo, hoo, you have to pause for a few days while you get the new skills up. You've had plenty of time to check out setups and prep the prereqs.
Suck it up and deal with it, or quit.
T
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.07.07 22:11:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Tamur
Originally by: mematar
Im sorry this patch kinda sucks to me sorry to say i put in all that hard work to get my raven good in pvp, and npc'ing then u guys do all of this hey i like most the patch like the dreadnauts and all that but u guys nerf'ed the raven to much in my point of view it was the best bs now it is the crappiest. that is my imput anyone agree
FFS dude, the Raven has simply been balanced to bring it inline with all the other BS's out there.
People like you are just what this game DOESN't need! the patch is fine, the balancing is getting better so stop complaining that your Raven is now crap because it simply isn't, its is mearly now on par with the other BS's and will rely on YOUR skills to make it better rather than simply being overpowered from start.
Before you start moaning on here, sit back, have a think about what your going to write and look at it from all angles just like the Development team do before they do something like this! Its not a case of they get into work one morning and go "I know, today i'm going to change something for completely no reason at all!"
There IS a reason, and that was because it was overpowered before. Now it has been bought back into line. ADAPT!
Ahh yes raven was the absolute favorite ship for pvp. Yes it definately needed a nerf because it was absolutely umber in pvp those torps were just so umber powerfull thats why 9 out of 10 pvp bs out there are ravens instead of apocs and megas.
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Carter Burke
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Posted - 2005.07.07 22:12:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Begottenotmade
hey,
People that replyed with the normal...the raven is now balanced..etc etc. I bet you fly a turret based BS's.
PvE Raven here.
PvP Raven and Mega.
Does the missile nerf bug me? Nope. Why not? 'Cause I can still rule with a Raven. Have you considered for a moment that being a 2-month-old player should *not* put you on par with the toughest players in the game that drive Tempests?
Get over it, or get out of the way.
CB
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2005.07.07 22:48:00 -
[88]
Originally by: OffBeaT
Edited by: OffBeaT on 07/07/2005 21:34:00
hehe.. all i can do is just laff..
my scrop is junk now and me raven that i have spent a year working on is now getting pushed around like mad buy long range condom amar ships. its just gona take me too long too work my ships back into fighting shap now. i have already taking a long time working these ships too what they are so its like starting alover again i guess. you suckers can hang around if you wont and put up with this but its time for me too bail i guess.. i am getting sick of being pushed back more and more in this game the longer i play it.
an't it sopost too be the other way around?
im just sitting around anyway doing f-all for fighting im just skill nerfed too death here. since i rp i wont work other ships. then if or when i care too work these ravens/scorps back up people i bet will just wine and cry again too nerf them i bet.. soo.. f-this crap i have had it..
ccp got my coin for 6 months so they can injoy it. when i see fair play with some nerfs too the amar ships then ill come back and have a look around again i guess.
Guess you missed the nerf to Pulse lasers that most Amarr ships relied upon heavily.
Clueless, skill-less, oblivious.
You can escrow all that useless junk to me.
That's not a moon... that's my POS
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2005.07.07 22:53:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Allen Deckard
Originally by: Tamur
Originally by: mematar
Im sorry this patch kinda sucks to me sorry to say i put in all that hard work to get my raven good in pvp, and npc'ing then u guys do all of this hey i like most the patch like the dreadnauts and all that but u guys nerf'ed the raven to much in my point of view it was the best bs now it is the crappiest. that is my imput anyone agree
FFS dude, the Raven has simply been balanced to bring it inline with all the other BS's out there.
People like you are just what this game DOESN't need! the patch is fine, the balancing is getting better so stop complaining that your Raven is now crap because it simply isn't, its is mearly now on par with the other BS's and will rely on YOUR skills to make it better rather than simply being overpowered from start.
Before you start moaning on here, sit back, have a think about what your going to write and look at it from all angles just like the Development team do before they do something like this! Its not a case of they get into work one morning and go "I know, today i'm going to change something for completely no reason at all!"
There IS a reason, and that was because it was overpowered before. Now it has been bought back into line. ADAPT!
Ahh yes raven was the absolute favorite ship for pvp. Yes it definately needed a nerf because it was absolutely umber in pvp those torps were just so umber powerfull thats why 9 out of 10 pvp bs out there are ravens instead of apocs and megas.
Actually the Raven and the Gankageddon were tied for quite some time for most often used BS in up close gank-style PVP. And the Raven will be again. Takes a couple or three weeks to train to the point you were at before, from there on you get even stronger than before. Additionally the Raven then becomes a good ship for mid to long range combat, something that you could never have achieved under the old system.
And yes, one of my characters flies Ravens exclusively.
That's not a moon... that's my POS
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Lei Kuzama
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Posted - 2005.07.08 00:12:00 -
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I am just amazed at all the talk about the Raven being nerfed. Once I found the right set-up, I could take a raven in my Apoc. Didnt matter that they had arbs on it and had been playing for 2 years, as have I. Fact of the matter is, there seem to be alot of folks gloating over the ravens demise. I was one who once thought the Raven was too powerful. Then I learned what skills i needed to beat it. Then it became my favorite mission ship, and now it is scrap metal. At least until I learn all the new skills and get her up to speed. At least in my Raven, I could go anywhere I wanted. But the fof cruise is gone from the siege launchers now, so I guess the pkers are gonna have a blast. Nerfing the raven was prolly a good idea. They have just gone too far too fast. I cant really use my millions of gunnery skills effectively on her, she only has 4 slots. So, she now has to wait, and see,, if she can become something of her former self. |
Chippie MS
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Posted - 2005.07.08 17:14:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Begottenotmade
Edited by: Begottenotmade on 06/07/2005 11:26:39
NEW FLASH
NOT EVERYONE WITH A RAVEN HUNTS NPC OR MISSIONS...lol come with yet another excuse.. It's not fair how they did it plain and simple.. and i did ***** about this **** 2 months ago....So again...stop wasting peoples time tryign to psot excuses why it was or could be considered fair.
begotten
P.s. chippie come to me and get the beer m8, and i'll gladly get one for you....bring a decent ship too..mm kay.
Well i know everyone doesnt use ravens for npc. But for pvp you should have jamming skills anyway so they have basically balanced things by making them harder to train. No problems there for me ok ive got a ship thats now gonna sit in my hanger for the next few months but hey ho so what ill have a dread soon ;)
Where are you hanging out?? bit hard for me to find you.......you probably did write it in this load of waffle somewhere but I would end up loosing the will to live if i had to go through all of it to find out.
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2005.07.08 18:26:00 -
[92]
nerf too pules lassers.. oww wow..
i never worried about the pules lassers anyway even befor the nerf on them..
i wont there tanking cut back some more..
this is what i wont too see. they are too safe at long ranges aswell. this has too be delt with aswell.
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2005.07.08 18:31:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Allen Deckard
Originally by: Tamur
Originally by: mematar
Im sorry this patch kinda sucks to me sorry to say i put in all that hard work to get my raven good in pvp, and npc'ing then u guys do all of this hey i like most the patch like the dreadnauts and all that but u guys nerf'ed the raven to much in my point of view it was the best bs now it is the crappiest. that is my imput anyone agree
FFS dude, the Raven has simply been balanced to bring it inline with all the other BS's out there.
People like you are just what this game DOESN't need! the patch is fine, the balancing is getting better so stop complaining that your Raven is now crap because it simply isn't, its is mearly now on par with the other BS's and will rely on YOUR skills to make it better rather than simply being overpowered from start.
Before you start moaning on here, sit back, have a think about what your going to write and look at it from all angles just like the Development team do before they do something like this! Its not a case of they get into work one morning and go "I know, today i'm going to change something for completely no reason at all!"
There IS a reason, and that was because it was overpowered before. Now it has been bought back into line. ADAPT!
Ahh yes raven was the absolute favorite ship for pvp. Yes it definately needed a nerf because it was absolutely umber in pvp those torps were just so umber powerfull thats why 9 out of 10 pvp bs out there are ravens instead of apocs and megas.
bs pal, i rarly get attacked in a raven alway arma/apoc.. 80% of the time. only in solo fights do i combat raven/raven or scrops.. i think its you who dont know wtf your talking about. go back too your group huggen..
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