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mematar
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:26:00 -
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Im sorry this patch kinda sucks to me sorry to say i put in all that hard work to get my raven good in pvp, and npc'ing then u guys do all of this hey i like most the patch like the dreadnauts and all that but u guys nerf'ed the raven to much in my point of view it was the best bs now it is the crappiest. that is my imput anyone agree
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:28:00 -
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 Originally by: mematar
it was the best bs now it is the crappiest.
Oh Gee....
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Domalais
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:31:00 -
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Have you trained the new skills? No.
Have you tried new setups? No.
SO you're crying for no reason? Yes.
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Valen L'eganas
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:31:00 -
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Edited by: Valen L''eganas on 06/07/2005 05:33:31
Edited by: Valen L''eganas on 06/07/2005 05:31:02
Dude,
Upgrade your skills. Train up a little EW, and then do havoc. Raven is still a good BS, just need some skill tweeking (and perhaps more time for doing missions  )...
Other then that, we saw the changes comming so we had time to prepare (skill training for missiles etc.). Posts like this more reflect your personal feeling to the CW-patch and is kinda inviting for flames (can we have your stuff etc.  ).
We had tweeks before (can you say beam weapons?) and its not like half of the population left for SWG pr something.
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Kage Getsu
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:32:00 -
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Torps are still good against battleships. You just have to use a little more thought and training if you want to do damage to anything else.
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Val Amon
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:34:00 -
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I could do angel 7/10 complexs with 1 apoc transferring to me so raven needed a nerf beat down of the highest order.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Domalais
Have you trained the new skills? No.
Have you tried new setups? No.
SO you're crying for no reason? Yes.
That said it all.
I'll add some more though
So you cant mash f1 through f6 and shout "look I'm l33t" anymore? Change setups and train skills.
This is only the 86th post with the same whine.
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Sochin
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:51:00 -
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What hard work? Caldari BS 5, Torpedos lvl 5?
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TheNecromancer
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:51:00 -
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wtb ravens...paying 10mil each..
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infused
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Posted - 2005.07.06 05:52:00 -
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Train what skills? To use a raven with torps and heavies you need what, 2-3m sp?
Pfff... go train the new skills.
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Purgatori
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Posted - 2005.07.06 06:10:00 -
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plz stop saying we had time to preparefor this... we didn't... missile skills ware introduced the same time with the nerf
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TheJay
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Posted - 2005.07.06 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Purgatori
plz stop saying we had time to preparefor this... we didn't... missile skills ware introduced the same time with the nerf
...and those changes were announced months ago IIRC
They've also been running for a while on the test server, have they not? 
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Begottenotmade
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Posted - 2005.07.06 06:53:00 -
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Edited by: Begottenotmade on 06/07/2005 06:55:51
hey,
FFS guys the skills for new missles just came.We have had no time to "prepare" accept awareness that it was coming.This has been bullshyt from day one and since it's release...the raven has had nothing but nerfs....nothing!!! Never anything added; just nerfs.
If we had the skills in advance to train etc. might of been different.Yet there is tech one skills they r jsut releasing!!!How many months has the new turrets been out?THe skills encluded? FFS guys open your eye's this is not fair...if we knew about it or not...Bottom line is CCP ****ed up on this and thats it.A tech 1 BS that is still in beta form...ffs thats bullshyt.
begotten
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jason hill
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Posted - 2005.07.06 06:57:00 -
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hmmm ..one word springs to mind ..adapt !!!
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Hells Bliss
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Posted - 2005.07.06 07:01:00 -
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Edited by: Hells Bliss on 06/07/2005 07:01:34
oh god, so the raven got nerfed.
fly a tempest around sometime. geez, you raven guys STILL have it good compared to that POS battleship lmao (I'm minmatar too *sigh*  )
you just need to train your skills up now....just like everybody else
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.07.06 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Begottenotmade
Edited by: Begottenotmade on 06/07/2005 06:55:51
hey,
FFS guys the skills for new missles just came.We have had no time to "prepare" accept awareness that it was coming.This has been bullshyt from day one and since it's release...the raven has had nothing but nerfs....nothing!!! Never anything added; just nerfs.
If we had the skills in advance to train etc. might of been different.Yet there is tech one skills they r jsut releasing!!!How many months has the new turrets been out?THe skills encluded? FFS guys open your eye's this is not fair...if we knew about it or not...Bottom line is CCP ****ed up on this and thats it.A tech 1 BS that is still in beta form...ffs thats bullshyt.
begotten
Gunnery...
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Tamur
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Posted - 2005.07.06 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: mematar
Im sorry this patch kinda sucks to me sorry to say i put in all that hard work to get my raven good in pvp, and npc'ing then u guys do all of this hey i like most the patch like the dreadnauts and all that but u guys nerf'ed the raven to much in my point of view it was the best bs now it is the crappiest. that is my imput anyone agree
FFS dude, the Raven has simply been balanced to bring it inline with all the other BS's out there.
People like you are just what this game DOESN't need! the patch is fine, the balancing is getting better so stop complaining that your Raven is now crap because it simply isn't, its is mearly now on par with the other BS's and will rely on YOUR skills to make it better rather than simply being overpowered from start.
Before you start moaning on here, sit back, have a think about what your going to write and look at it from all angles just like the Development team do before they do something like this! Its not a case of they get into work one morning and go "I know, today i'm going to change something for completely no reason at all!"
There IS a reason, and that was because it was overpowered before. Now it has been bought back into line. ADAPT!
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BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2005.07.06 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Begottenotmade
Edited by: Begottenotmade on 06/07/2005 06:55:51
hey,
FFS guys the skills for new missles just came.We have had no time to "prepare" accept awareness that it was coming.This has been bullshyt from day one and since it's release...the raven has had nothing but nerfs....nothing!!! Never anything added; just nerfs.
If we had the skills in advance to train etc. might of been different.Yet there is tech one skills they r jsut releasing!!!How many months has the new turrets been out?THe skills encluded? FFS guys open your eye's this is not fair...if we knew about it or not...Bottom line is CCP ****ed up on this and thats it.A tech 1 BS that is still in beta form...ffs thats bullshyt.
begotten
This is actually a very good point - give the skills before coming down on missile users like a ton of bricks.
Very good thinking...
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Cirale
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Posted - 2005.07.06 07:10:00 -
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missile nerf shissile nerf......
the new highways are what suck major goat nads. assets that were all within 10 jumps of eachother are now all past 10 jumps from eachother.....
ive been playing for 2 months, and to move over 300,000m3 of stuff to one loc, mostly through .4 gankgates, um I donno quiting seems more fun atm.
or just let it rot there and pretend imma newb again (okay im still a newb) till I can afford a transport ship to move it all safely to one place.....
meh, it was a fun 2 months
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BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2005.07.06 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Cirale
missile nerf shissile nerf......
the new highways are what suck major goat nads. assets that were all within 10 jumps of eachother are now all past 10 jumps from eachother.....
ive been playing for 2 months, and to move over 300,000m3 of stuff to one loc, mostly through .4 gankgates, um I donno quiting seems more fun atm.
or just let it rot there and pretend imma newb again (okay im still a newb) till I can afford a transport ship to move it all safely to one place.....
meh, it was a fun 2 months
This seems to me to be a rather well thought out idea - there is a sense of seperation between the 4 tribes or races. Let there be some sort of no-mans-land in between with dangerous areas between. Crossing from Gal' to Min space feels like something now...
Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage |
Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.07.06 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: BIRDofPREY
Originally by: Cirale
missile nerf shissile nerf......
the new highways are what suck major goat nads. assets that were all within 10 jumps of eachother are now all past 10 jumps from eachother.....
ive been playing for 2 months, and to move over 300,000m3 of stuff to one loc, mostly through .4 gankgates, um I donno quiting seems more fun atm.
or just let it rot there and pretend imma newb again (okay im still a newb) till I can afford a transport ship to move it all safely to one place.....
meh, it was a fun 2 months
This seems to me to be a rather well thought out idea - there is a sense of seperation between the 4 tribes or races. Let there be some sort of no-mans-land in between with dangerous areas between. Crossing from Gal' to Min space feels like something now...
Or you could sell and reprocess your **** instead of hoarding every bent nail and rusty hook you find.
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Cerberal
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Posted - 2005.07.06 08:03:00 -
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In other news...
Sucks for missile users...
But My artillery just became a whole lot sexier. I just ditched the 3 Heavy missile launchers on my BC and instead armed the biggest artillery i could find in the 5 turret slots. Oh yeah, and no worries about close combat, i have Heavy drones now along with weapon disruptors.
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Begottenotmade
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Posted - 2005.07.06 08:12:00 -
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hey,
People that replyed with the normal...the raven is now balanced..etc etc. I bet you fly a turret based BS's.So no need to hear your same regurgitated retoric. I have 3 accounts n EVE one of them is tech 2 tempest pilot.So I know how the cookie crumbles both ways.The fact is turrets both tech 2 mods and skill have been out forever!! FOREVER..Turret tech 2 damage mods anyone??
That is the point.The raven might be more "balanced" problem is the main weapon that platform is ment to used is nerfed back to genesis...I mean coem the **** on you can't be so blind as to see this is on the not fair side..ffs i have played this game since beta.... so i know how to adapt.The fact of the matter is....this is not fair on any lvl..none.First Ew skills them missle skills... ffs then put 6 turret slots on the ****in raven so i have some other route to go for now... this is just stupid and i stand very firmly next to that statement as i did when they talked about doing this shyt.
Adapting is one thing, being put back 3-4 months compared to all other bs users is bullshyt.At the moment the raven is a better vampire set up than anything else...how sad is that...Read the title of the raven.It's ment to be a hard hitting hard to kill ship.... and thats it.Now it sucks and untili have studied another 6-10 skills i won't be in comp. with any other in game bs's and that my people.. IS Bull ****!! 
begotten
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Grant Smith
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Posted - 2005.07.06 08:17:00 -
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WTF it doesn't take hardwork to get good at using a Raven in either PvP or PvE. At least you now need to train skills to be good at what you do just like us gunner do. Lovleh.
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Adam Weishaupt
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Posted - 2005.07.06 08:19:00 -
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Changes were announced a long time ago. They make sense, both in terms of 'realism' and in terms of game balance. I have personally trained more than a half million new points of Gunnery and increased my Drone skills since I heard this was going to happen, but I'm not sorry I put in the time for Torps 5...I plan to learn Torp Specialization, load up my tech 2 ammo, and go blast battleships with them. Meanwhile, my now much more accurate turrets and stronger drones will handle the little stuff.
If they had left it the same, it would have sucked more. Nobody is supposed to be able to waltz through level 4 missions with 2 or 3 million SP.
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Begottenotmade
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Posted - 2005.07.06 08:41:00 -
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hey
Grant just edit n delete your post....seriously.To the guy that trained drones n gunnery...um what ship are u going to use as neither bs has any hybrid bonuses....also the slots are lacking for turret use on the bs's...And caldari have the smallest drone bay of the bs's....so......
Does this mean i just take the hit and fly around a eagle or ferox... ffs.So now i have to comprimise with what i fly in game?Thats just about as big of a joke as i have heard.People don't think I don't know i can bust out my eagel when i want too...the bottom line is caldari is a missle based race.Plain n simple....More realistic?More balanced....um...possible.Tell me why people bring in Real life when it comes to explaining a nerf....there is so much in this game that isn't realistic or based upon that..mmmm kay.More balanced....thast the only statement that makes sense in any way....and they are deciding to balance this 2 years after the game has been out... WTF!!!
The point as I have said time and ****in time again..and i won't repeat as people just post after reading the first paragraph anyways...is.. This shyt should've been done a long time ago...this is just like the raven/missles are coming out of beta..
FFS HELLO PEOPLE THERE IS LIKE 4-6 NEW TECH 1 SKILLS TO LEARN!!!!!! FFS HELLO!!!!!!!! THIS DOES NOT TAKE IN ACCOUNT THE NEW EW I HAD TO TRAIN!!!!SO WHAT 10 ******* new skills.
ALL RELATING TO THE CALDARI SHIP BONUSES!!!!!!!!
How anyone can sit there and say this is fair....is beyond me...We should've had the skills a long time ago and bringing them out this late is about the most retarded thing in the world....I will be able to fly dread...b4 i have a decent Raven again... lol what a ******* joke.
begotten 
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aeti
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Posted - 2005.07.06 08:45:00 -
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raven got nerfed at close range, boosted at range, aka balanced ;|
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Golden Ratio
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Posted - 2005.07.06 08:49:00 -
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Edited by: Golden Ratio on 06/07/2005 08:50:13
Originally by: Begottenotmade
hey
Grant just edit n delete your post....seriously.To the guy that trained drones n gunnery...um what ship are u going to use as neither bs has any hybrid bonuses....also the slots are lacking for turret use on the bs's...And caldari have the smallest drone bay of the bs's....so......
Does this mean i just take the hit and fly around a eagle or ferox... ffs.So now i have to comprimise with what i fly in game?Thats just about as big of a joke as i have heard.People don't think I don't know i can bust out my eagel when i want too...the bottom line is caldari is a missle based race.Plain n simple....More realistic?More balanced....um...possible.Tell me why people bring in Real life when it comes to explaining a nerf....there is so much in this game that isn't realistic or based upon that..mmmm kay.More balanced....thast the only statement that makes sense in any way....and they are deciding to balance this 2 years after the game has been out... WTF!!!
The point as I have said time and ****in time again..and i won't repeat as people just post after reading the first paragraph anyways...is.. This shyt should've been done a long time ago...this is just like the raven/missles are coming out of beta..
FFS HELLO PEOPLE THERE IS LIKE 4-6 NEW TECH 1 SKILLS TO LEARN!!!!!! FFS HELLO!!!!!!!! THIS DOES NOT TAKE IN ACCOUNT THE NEW EW I HAD TO TRAIN!!!!SO WHAT 10 ******* new skills.
ALL RELATING TO THE CALDARI SHIP BONUSES!!!!!!!!
How anyone can sit there and say this is fair....is beyond me...We should've had the skills a long time ago and bringing them out this late is about the most retarded thing in the world....I will be able to fly dread...b4 i have a decent Raven again... lol what a ******* joke.
Exagerate more?
Whine more?
You are SO wrong on SO many points that I'm not even going to give you a statistic-filled reply. Please, please, please just quit eve. Now.
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d'hofren
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Posted - 2005.07.06 09:03:00 -
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Edited by: d''hofren on 06/07/2005 09:04:14
Missiles
I fly minmatar, missiles are quite important to me as well.
but
I read the threads in adavnce, I guessed what the pre-reqs would be for the support skills and trained them up.
I picked up the missile skills last night and started training. Target Navigation Prediction will be at lvl 4 within two days. Guided Missile Precision will be at lvl 3 within an other 3, (I guess). After that I'll go and run some lvl3 missions to form an opinion on which of the rof, damage etc skills should be trained next.
Spend a few days or maybe a week training the skills and then come back with a comment.
Map changes
The general gist of the map changes were posted 3 days ago. The night before patch day we had over 12k people online. If my corp reflected a microcosm of the macrocosm 90% of those players were hauling stuff around in preperation for the map changes. I feel sorry for anyone who missed out on the warnings and forum threads that prepped the ten thousand odd of us who saw it coming. This is a game where intel is half the fight.
Patch
I have to say nice one CCP and great job Q&A. After the exodus patch I was scared to undock for a week. This time I felt confident to undock in a frig and go shopping within a couple of hours of the patch going live. I logged on this morning to change skills and spoke to two corp mates who mined all night. Nice stable roll out so far chaps. If you Q&A chaps ever need a work referance drop me or the other subscribers a line.
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It's an online game. Online games are always populated at people who look at their wood elf and whine that everyone else's dagger is bigger than theirs.
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Gendo Onasha
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Posted - 2005.07.06 09:04:00 -
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Well, I am a Missile-only Frigate Pilot as well (rather new, tho).
I tried out the Missile changes once on the test server and thought to myself "That's going to suck a lot". I prepared for it mentally, kind of.
Now that we're hit with I got out and immediately got me those missile Skills and trained it up 1 level each. Tell you what? I'm almost back to my usual performance in my Kestrel. A bit lower range (like 2km less than usual) and a bit lower damage of like 90 on structure (used to be 108). I also can fit only 3 standard launchers now because of grid changes, which reduces the total damage output, but that's something I can live with.
But despite those facts I actually LIKE IT. Due to the increased Missile Speeds it is SO much more fun to do missile fights now, it gained a lot of speed and requires much faster reactions than ealier.
So I dare to say "Adapt and get over with or die" altho I'm pretty noobish...
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