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Wraith Hunter	Posted - 2005.07.07 15:26:00 - [61] Amarr Empire \ Joint Harvesting Amarr Empire \ Royal Amarr Institute Caldari State \ Expert Distribution Caldari State \ Kaalakiota Corporation Caldari State \ Minedrill Gallente Federation \ Aliastra Gallente Federation \ Astral Mining Inc. Gallente Federation \ Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation \ Federal Freight Gallente Federation \ Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation \ Material Acquisition Gallente Federation \ Roden Shipyards Gallente Federation \ TransStellar Shipping Gallente Federation \ University of Caille Minmatar Republic \ Core Complexion Inc. Minmatar Republic \ Freedom Extension Minmatar Republic \ Minmatar Mining Corporation ORE \ Outer Ring Excavations Sansha's Nation \ True Power these items arnt in the market when will they be ??? or is this another ghost in the machine
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2005.07.07 15:41:00 - [62] Originally by: Shiva Aleth Originally by: Genevieve Blue Edited by: Genevieve Blue on 07/07/2005 12:57:20 Originally by: Dante Chusuk Originally by: Valentine Keen Strange, 'cause last night Sinq Laison region was showing 'none available' for me. Valentine, I had the same problem with Warhead Upgrades in Sinq Liason region after the patch. The regional market showed none available until I docked at one of the "university" stations and suddenly they were available in that station (at a reasonable cost). The "clear cache" workaround I have seen posted elsewhere did not clean up this particular issue. I'm going to check this same "procedure" tonight when I get home (if I get home through the rush hour traffic). Hmm, well, I guess it's nice to be wrong for once, but hardly pleasing that it's because of another bug instead. Ah well. VK Edit: Oops, stupid alt. A whole lot of people from the price_check channel and I just scoured the universe and couldn't seem to locate any of these. Can you please confirm if your method worked and at which system. Thank you, Shiva Oh, not so wrong after all. Looks around for Oveur. And, sorry, no, not tried clearing cache myself yet - am at work, sadly.
Thidrek	Posted - 2005.07.07 15:54:00 - [63] Originally by: Nac MacFeegle put a slash or a dot in the center of the zero! This is not a zero and will never be: Ï It is a letter in the Norwegian and Danish languages. But maybe this is something that suits you: θ
Michaela Kel'Dragon	Posted - 2005.07.07 15:56:00 - [64] /emote sits in Core Complexion station in Eram and does find neither a Mining Drone I BPO nor a price history. So they are not ingame yet i think
Ticondrius	Posted - 2005.07.07 16:16:00 - [65] Edited by: Ticondrius on 07/07/2005 16:17:04 Checked every corp and region in that list Oveur, no Mining Drone I BPO. I had my entire corp go looking for them in every empire region...nothing. Please don't tell me the only source is ORE in Outer Ring like so much of the new Industry stuff BPOs... EDIT: Found it in the research lotto queue. Brilliant, Ovuer...Just fing brilliant. "If I'm brutally honest and it offends you, that's not my fault." (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.

Oveur	Posted - 2005.07.07 16:18:00 - [66] Originally by: Michaela Kel'Dragon /emote sits in Core Complexion station in Eram and does find neither a Mining Drone I BPO nor a price history. So they are not ingame yet i think You'll see it after next downtime, I just logged on to the same station and saw what was wrong. _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.

Septh Mac	Posted - 2005.07.07 16:18:00 - [67] Been talking to a gm about them, he said they are in game hes checked, just rather rare atm, they wil become more common in a week or 2 he said, along with most the new stuff
Dante Chusuk	Posted - 2005.07.07 17:09:00 - [68] Apologies Valentine, you're right it seems (didn't see page 4 until I got home from work ... South Circular ugh!). I'm wondering if it is related to only 1 BP for the Basic Mining Drone being available per station. Ah well Oveur appears to be sorting it out
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2005.07.07 17:34:00 - [69] Originally by: Par'Gellen Oveur, It's all about "Quality Of Product". I could build awesome glowing dancing computers for people but if the buttons fell off when pressed and the CD-ROM ejected itself at random intervals AND IT WAS NEVER FIXED, EVER, I promise you people would quickly begin to lose interest. It's simple Quality 101. No rocket science involved... Please tell Apple that. Stupid ipods...
Trader Klyde	Posted - 2005.07.07 18:35:00 - [70] Thanks much Valentine for pointing those out. They have been irritating me for a long time. Here's another small one that bothers me... Prior to Exodus, you could right-click a chat channel header and get a drop-down of commands... Such as "Invite to channel" (I think it was), and once hovering the mouse over it a list of players from the buddy list would appear, so you could select a person to invite to the channel. It was very handy, very. It's been gone since Exodus, along with most of the channel commands. I BR'd it a long time ago and was told it would get fixed. Hehe... Unless it has changed recently, another "Shiva" feature was a MOTD for the corp channel. Still haven't seen that one since the expansion, yet it was on Singularity during Shiva testing. Small bugs, yet aggravating. ________________________________________________ From deep in space where nobody hears my screams... Sometimes in fear, sometimes in anger, mostly just my singing style.
sable's helper	Posted - 2005.07.07 18:36:00 - [71] my only gripe with the game is it does'nt have anyway to show that your afk.
Imaweepony	Posted - 2005.07.07 19:27:00 - [72] Originally by: sable's helper my only gripe with the game is it does'nt have anyway to show that your afk. Try typing "AFK"? I agree on some of the little things getting me as well. My personal peeve right now is that I've been training Advanced Weapons upgrades for the last couple of days so that I can get back some of my original ships setups; only to find out that now there is a bug with that skill. Makes me wonder how many other skills added may have bugs?
Novacain	Posted - 2005.07.08 02:21:00 - [73] Originally by: Lidza Edited by: Lidza on 07/07/2005 07:58:17 Valentine Keen, Well written and very good points that CCP keeps missing. Even with this new additions, EVE continues a bit dull LAG remains unchanged... fleet combat continues a complete joke due to LAG. With the tons of dropes made my npcs, T1 market is dead with exception of T1 ships. So why bother buying BPOs and research them! T2 market its on the limbo! BPO monopoly intruduced by CCP (like they did with miner 2's well before this lotto nocense) the prices of frigates are over 10x their value. The npc missions are so boring and repetitive. So whats the point of playing this game a game? Its just to see the char SP points slowly raising? Just a though! Cya one day in BF2 Great post Lidza. I was thinking that the fact that the economy in eve is entirely controled by ccp is what is keeping the game from taking new directions. Alas as it has been pointed out 'the patch' was a content patch. But essentially previous patches must have been as well. In as much as they have not added the potential of a greater game-character depth. Where skills and acquired enhancements are just a mantel(cloack) to be worn by players and altered at wim of dev's. Eve has depth, but is not one that is penetrates or is generated by players when the attributes that constitutes character is skin deep. Naturally the divine intervention is to some extent a product of balancing the game but at the same time making it a little bland. Who is running the stock market?(no one) In another thread it was pointed out that nearly all generic items from either of the 4 main factions are readily available throughtout eve. A homogenous singleplayer experience under the illusion of freedom. Naturally it is in a sense benificial for traders that a greater proximity between regions has been added throught 'highways', yet what is the point if all is already within reach. Within reach is also the skill/tech levels. With time and in equal messure. The true ownership of game elements is essential if there is going to be any strategy or impetus to wage war in more than one sense. e.g. That of a gun.(Peace is just the preperation for war and until then, war by other means). Which should render bugs in the interface negiable outside the grind of npc-agent missions.
Vodwyn	Posted - 2005.07.08 04:27:00 - [74] I started playing EvE last August during their big push on getting new subscribers. A month or two after that, I had some inrl things happen and pretty much couldn't play from Sept or October until about 3 weeks ago. Coming back post-exodus and into coldwar, I can honestly say that the commitment that the developers and company make towards progressing the game is awesome. A patch in EvE is like a whole expansion in another game and then some. I can't name all the changes that I have seen and think are absolutely fantastic. Even market is better. CCP shows an awesome devotion to this game, and while there may be some things that might not have come around yet, I have faith in them because they have shown that they are commited to make the game a good experience for their players. I doubt you will find any mmorpg company out there that shows such a great commitment to their game(esp on that huge isk seller ban). I do tend to agree that you should be able to either pick the new font or the old, but that is so minor I really don't notice. A patch like this on any mmorpg would have left the game unplayable for days. I am willing to deal with some text errors until they fix it. If small things about this game are bothering you, maybe you are too wrapped up in it.
AvanCade	Posted - 2005.07.08 04:36:00 - [75] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Valentine Keen So, in conclusion, it's not the game's direction or the major changes that leave me with my mouse hovering over cancel on my accounts, it's the petty annoyances that grind on me every time I log in - the broken chats, the repeatedly breaking autopilot, the missing market entries, those are the things that make me want to give it all up. I look at what was supposed to come with Exodus and I wonder why I'm still here deceiving myself into thinking it will ever come. I have adressed the missing Exodus features a number of times. What you see in the CWE is all content, that's why it's called a content patch. Content does for the most part (about 95%) not require any programming. We wouldn't never have been able to put the last features of EXODUS into the 5% of this patch even if I wanted to (and I really did). But we will. The small things you mention, like someone said here, if they are the only things wrong, I guess the rest of EVE is in pretty good shape, wouldn't you say? Oh, and the Tech 1 Mining drones are in this patch, along with a Tech 2 variant. If you have any more specific things which are supposed to be on the market, feel free to list them. (Actually, last time I checked, Hammer did use a list from you.) Anyways, thanks for the post, keeps me on my toes. Amazing how much can go wrong in that 5%
Hella May	Posted - 2005.07.08 07:34:00 - [76] Edited by: Hella May on 08/07/2005 07:33:57 By the way.... Where did 'invite' to a convo go? how annoying is it when three of you want to talk outside of the usual channels but you can only now have a 1 on 1? IMO that goes totally against the CCP PvP ethos..... Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2005.07.08 08:25:00 - [77] Originally by: Vodwyn I started playing EvE last August during their big push on getting new subscribers. A month or two after that, I had some inrl things happen and pretty much couldn't play from Sept or October until about 3 weeks ago. Coming back post-exodus and into coldwar, I can honestly say that the commitment that the developers and company make towards progressing the game is awesome. A patch in EvE is like a whole expansion in another game and then some. I can't name all the changes that I have seen and think are absolutely fantastic. Even market is better. CCP shows an awesome devotion to this game, and while there may be some things that might not have come around yet, I have faith in them because they have shown that they are commited to make the game a good experience for their players. I doubt you will find any mmorpg company out there that shows such a great commitment to their game(esp on that huge isk seller ban). I do tend to agree that you should be able to either pick the new font or the old, but that is so minor I really don't notice. A patch like this on any mmorpg would have left the game unplayable for days. I am willing to deal with some text errors until they fix it. If small things about this game are bothering you, maybe you are too wrapped up in it. But this is my point. With bugs having been around in the same form since 2003, my confidence in their ability to fix text errors and so forth is pretty low. I have to resign myself to knowing that the new bugs I'm finding so irritating will also likely be around for a long time to come, and that does get to you after 2 years of the same problems. My confidence in the future is reduced by the inability to correct the continuing problems with the past, the ongoing bugs that take the shine off the game little by little on a daily basis, more so when they never get fixed. For example, if I can't trust them to get the little things, like Tech 1 BPOs right, how confident can I be when they promise Tech 3 in the future? Oh, and as a plea - if anyone is around after downtime, I'd appreciate knowing if the Tech 1 Mining drone BPOs do finally seed, as I'm at work and unable to check for hours.
Tatl Eon	Posted - 2005.07.08 10:36:00 - [78] 1 thing that really annoys me is that thing that objects now pop up and just dissapear in the distance! THAT SUCKS eve is great because its field of view is so immens, but with astroids changing into dots while there still very good visible makes me puke. man, change it back damnit.
Wraith Hunter	Posted - 2005.07.08 11:36:00 - [79] Edited by: Wraith Hunter on 08/07/2005 11:36:36 well i just loged in and no mining drone 1 in any of the market another borken prommis
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2005.07.08 11:52:00 - [80] yes i am in the wondering of this as well, i see no bpo
Tatl Eon	Posted - 2005.07.08 12:04:00 - [81] those will be poping up upcomming 2 weeks
Elin Eliasson	Posted - 2005.07.08 12:14:00 - [82] I got "huge" problems too see the text now days it blurry and well I cant say I like it Still I thought the nav system would have a new look but I havent seen any beside the chatt
Wraith Hunter	Posted - 2005.07.08 12:39:00 - [83] what i mean it the dev sed that there was a problem and they would be in game after dt, its ferther back in this thred, i have been to the staitons and nothing
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2005.07.08 12:43:00 - [84] Bumpage until Oveur sees it. Still no drones??????????
Dante Chusuk	Posted - 2005.07.08 12:54:00 - [85] A friend who is not working today has tried three different regions for me and has not seen any Mining Drone I BPOs. Getting him to check the other "odd" thing I spotted yesterday where there was only 1 (one) Basic Mining Drone BPO available per station ...
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2005.07.08 15:06:00 - [86] Anyone any more information on these? Going to be rather disappointed returning home to find them still not in game.
Kaliesin	Posted - 2005.07.08 15:17:00 - [87] Edited by: Kaliesin on 08/07/2005 15:18:45 Sorry Val, still no sign. And that makes this one of those small annoying things, pointing out a bug, having a promise to fix and neither a fix, nor a 'sorry its harder to fix than I thought and will take X days'.
Avon	Posted - 2005.07.08 15:22:00 - [88] Originally by: Hella May Edited by: Hella May on 08/07/2005 07:33:57 By the way.... Where did 'invite' to a convo go? how annoying is it when three of you want to talk outside of the usual channels but you can only now have a 1 on 1? IMO that goes totally against the CCP PvP ethos..... Still there. ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2005.07.08 15:31:00 - [89] Originally by: Kaliesin Edited by: Kaliesin on 08/07/2005 15:18:45 Sorry Val, still no sign. And that makes this one of those small annoying things, pointing out a bug, having a promise to fix and neither a fix, nor a 'sorry its harder to fix than I thought and will take X days'. Val nods and resets his timer. Tech 1 Mining Drones. 2 years, 2 months and counting...
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2005.07.09 14:11:00 - [90] Another day, another DT, still no BP.

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