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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.06 23:43:00 -
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It's not the big updates, the direction of the game or the drive towards 0.0 that bug me. NWO, Cosmos, Outposts are all great ideas and the right direction for the game.
It's not even the missile balancing, or the new toys for the PvPers.
It's the minor details, the broken functions and the forgotten promises that really make me want to jack it all in and walk away. The things that shake my confidence in the quality of the product.
For example, the new chat interface. It's buggy as hell and whether or not you like the new font (and I personally find it harder to read on both my monitors), it's the poor formatting, the broken portraits, the broken word wrapping and broken commands such as /me that really disappoint.
And then on top of that, it's the real gripes. The fact that the channel member list and the channel tab showing the number of people in the channel are still bugged - it's still telling me there are the wrong number of people in the channel. I'm still shocked by comments coming in from people I can't see being in the channel.
I mean, please, we've been living with that bug for 2 years now, but it never gets any better. Instead we get new toys, shiny interfaces and fonts - but the fact remains it's bugged start to finish.
Or really the two major things that annoy me.
Firstly, the forgotten side of EVE - the Exodus features that still haven't made it. Dreadnoughts, Outposts and COSMOS are all great, but they're not the features you sold to me that made me stay playing for Exodus. The mining features, the contract system, the revised taxes, those were the things that I wanted to see - yet they've slipped away, been ever more ignored as yet more shiny new toys and ships are created, new ideas for 0.0 brought in.
Again, I don't dislike those ideas, but as an industrialist, I'm saddened that they're implemented from concept to final patch before the items you've told us you're working on for non-pvpers. I was offered something you've not delivered, but you've gone and delivered all these extra surprises to the people you've already delivered on your promises too and more.
I'm left feeling a second class customer - ignored and left to cope in a broken game with CCP's Exodus advertising a bitter taste of ashes in my mouth.
And then, finally, of course, the one thing I've been complaining about for almost as long as the game's been out.
Missing Tech 1 items. How anyone can believe in a promise of Tech 2 when you clearly don't have the competence to deliver the things that were missed two years ago, I really don't know. I mean how many patches have we had and still the simple things like Tech 1 Mining drones have been screwed up.
So here we are, perhaps the third or fourth patch promising some of the missing Tech 1 content, and lo and behold, from the Dev Blog onwards, it's gone wrong, I can't find anyone in game who's seen the blueprints for these, and so I'm left to wonder - how much faith can I have left for a group of Developers seemingly unable to add 1 database entry and seed it to the market when they've had 26 months to do it?
So, in conclusion, it's not the game's direction or the major changes that leave me with my mouse hovering over cancel on my accounts, it's the petty annoyances that grind on me every time I log in - the broken chats, the repeatedly breaking autopilot, the missing market entries, those are the things that make me want to give it all up.
I look at what was supposed to come with Exodus and I wonder why I'm still here deceiving myself into thinking it will ever come. 
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2005.07.06 23:57:00 -
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Yea i hate the chat box to, it was fine before they change it
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Sweetpain
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Posted - 2005.07.07 00:01:00 -
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Good, and very valid.
I have not played for two years, barely two months. But yes i did read the Exodus patch notes, and i did notice the issues that very marked (delayed, will be adressed in one of the many upcomming patches)
its vital for any to firstly keep the old promisses before making new ones.
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Dralon
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Posted - 2005.07.07 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Dralon on 07/07/2005 00:13:14
I'm gonna hold my tongue on this one and anticipate a couple more patches over the next few weeks to solve a few of these bugs.
The patch deployment was delayed to solve problems, so they say, one nasty theory is that they were pressed to release this patch by 'the man' and extended their deadline to solve the bugs but 'the man' wouldn't be any more leniant with the deadline and that they were still fully aware of many of the bugs upon deployment because of the beta.
Evil thinking I have.
I'm quite a new player as well so i've got hope in me yet for the devs to crush though  . There's a structured sentence in there somewhere 
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Nac MacFeegle
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Posted - 2005.07.07 00:12:00 -
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What I want to know... is that they changed the fonts. WHY does the letter 'O' STILL look EXACTLY like the number '0'? Criminy, put a slash or a dot in the center of the zero!
0 and O, 1 and l, l and I should not look the same... that's just bad...
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.07.07 00:20:00 -
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If I can make an acute observation:
If all that ruins eve for you are the little things, isn't that a good thing? Doesn't that mean that the game is so good that the only things left that you don't like are little, inconsequential things? And if that's true, I think the only thing to realise is that these things will be improved over time. The things that have persisted are a problem, though. Have you ever bug-reported that client chat bug? I know I don't get that bug, personally, but if I did I'd certainly report it.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.07.07 00:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Valentine Keen
I'm still shocked by comments coming in from people I can't see being in the channel.
Most chat channels I'm in are set to only show people when they speak so that the channel can be larger than some limit.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.07.07 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Nac MacFeegle
What I want to know... is that they changed the fonts. WHY does the letter 'O' STILL look EXACTLY like the number '0'? Criminy, put a slash or a dot in the center of the zero!
0 and O, 1 and l, l and I should not look the same... that's just bad...
Quoted for truth.
Originally by: Morela
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.07.07 01:11:00 -
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The text handler for the chat windows and EVEmail has been completely borked ever since I started playing early last fall. I don't know how long it's been true, maybe it's been that way since the start. It annoyed the hell out of me then, and it annoys me just as much to this very day. I hate it. It's such a simple thing, WHY CAN'T IT WORK? With every other computer program you type in, when you type, the letter shows up...NOW. You click and drag, it selects the text you clicked and dragged. You highlight text and hit delete, it deletes the highlighted section, not just some random section it chooses to delete, which may be all or part of what you selected or it may be a totally different section. The time it takes for text to show up after typing it is the worst, it throws me off completely because I can't see what I've typed, so I only realized I typed something completely wrong when I'm way past it, and then it's almost impossible to go back and change it because when you click the mouse on part of the text, it might move you to that part or it might move to somewhere else or it might not move at all. And if I try to get back by deleting everything I've typed, either I select everything back until I get to where I want to start over, and hit delete or start typing...and it doesn't work right (see above), or I just use the backspace key and it takes FOREVER to get back there.
Somebody please fix this. Steal the code from another program. In AIM chat, all of these basic word processing/text handling functions work fine, why not steal their code? Or at least learn from them.
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Christopher Scott
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Posted - 2005.07.07 01:36:00 -
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Can secure containers be destoryed YET? Do they still have 10 million HPs?
What happened to salvage drones? Repair Drones? Unanchoring drones??
Where is the contract system that I've been really waiting for? :-(
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flummox
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Posted - 2005.07.07 01:45:00 -
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yeah. i totally have to agree. been with the game since it's first month and i've seen Valentine Keen talking about this for a long long time.
so, let's throw him a bone and seed those damn T1 items already.
man, i'm on a posting binge today 8)
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Glowy
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Posted - 2005.07.07 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: Glowy on 07/07/2005 02:00:43
Here is one I can't believe is still unfixed: The "Enter Items into Escrow" wizard can not sort items by "Group." This has been a real pain the in arse forever. If you have a large number of items in your hanger (and no way to organize them for lack of Station Containers in 0.0... another problem) and you attempt to sort them by "Group" hilarity ensues as the "algorithm" is clearly borked. If you sit there and re-click the "Group" column header a couple hundred times the game will incrementally sort the items...
Look, sorting is Computer Science 101. We've had many decades of smart folks figuring out how to sort stuff using computers. Should we not expect Eve to leverage this knowledge? I sure as $!&*# do and it just burns me to see this. Clearly among "the little things" that ruin Eve.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.07.07 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Valentine Keen
....and broken commands such as /me that really disappoint...
/emote never knew that /me DID work, and wonders why people are so upset at having to type three extra letters.
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Novacain
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Posted - 2005.07.07 03:13:00 -
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Valid post Valentine.
The little things, "The mining features, the contract system, the revised taxes" are also those things that I see as missing. Small but potentially what could enrich gameplay beyond the new fancy toys that do little to move this game in directions challenging to both devs and players alike. Allow me. Your 'rant' against the chat interface is equally well placed as it perhaps drowns those little things that would make a world of a difference.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2005.07.07 03:25:00 -
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23 months and 3 days into EVE...
Games change... and because DEVS say x,y,z will make it in doesn't mean that ideas can't change and pet peeves be put on the back burner. If small things make you peeved... don't get married.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.07.07 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Novacain
Your 'rant' against the chat interface is equally well placed as it perhaps drowns those little things that would make a world of a difference.
Valentine's or mine?
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Novacain
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Posted - 2005.07.07 04:07:00 -
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Edited by: Novacain on 07/07/2005 04:08:41
I would hardly call a gathering amount of 'promised' elements influencing the economic mechanics of eve leading to a potential overhaul, pet peeves. Yet they often drown in a rant over minor albit anoying bugs. Thus I see much of the player driven economy fueled and orbiting npc-agent missions while loot is scantly distributed by pirates. But that is perhaps the essences of being a player bound by holy matrimony.
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Novacain
Your 'rant' against the chat interface is equally well placed as it perhaps drowns those little things that would make a world of a difference.
Valentine's or mine?
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.07.07 04:18:00 -
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i would have to agree
mining drone I <--- this is really the big obvious miss in the dev lub department
taxes - i just saw the new tax system in place and i noticed that it works pretty good, its a good start anyway
as for the other drones (repair,salvage,etc.) yes those would be nice but may have developer issues or something that we dont know about or its still on chalkboard.
i love and hate the amount of things to know ingame from ship types,modules,skills,content,politics,people it makes it so unique, no other game has so much diversity and options to choose from to utilize and that is still running, however you need to be a super-genius or a "rain-man" savaant to remember it all. (i'm neither) 
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Hella May
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Posted - 2005.07.07 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Edited by: Nyphur on 07/07/2005 00:21:21
If I can make an acute observation:
If all that ruins eve for you are the little things, isn't that a good thing? Doesn't that mean that the game is so good that the only things left that you don't like are little, inconsequential things? And if that's true, I think the only thing to realise is that these things will be improved over time. What we have right now is a product that's just been sculpted in a new shape. It'll take time to refine it a little and smooth off a few of those edges before we're all comfortable with it. The things that have persisted are a problem, though. Have you ever bug-reported that client chat bug? I know I don't get that bug, personally, but if I did I'd certainly report it.
valentine is trying to say that for a lot of us, its the little things that are spoiling the game. He and certainly i would like ot see the things that are wrong with the game fixed in preference to features that need not be implemented yet. The things CCP do are great, but they sadly have a habit of promising one thing and delivering anohter thing.
IMO what Valentine says is great, but i would like to point out to him that whilst he (and I for that matter)are industrialists, the focus of this game is sadly moving from pvp general to pvp fighting. This seems to be some thing that CCP embrase. As such they are more intent with creating fights than fixes.
Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.07 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Valentine Keen
....and broken commands such as /me that really disappoint...
/emote never knew that /me DID work, and wonders why people are so upset at having to type three extra letters.
Because it's a display of new features being brought in broken and worse than what they replace, even when people told them the new features sucked.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.07 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
23 months and 3 days into EVE...
Games change... and because DEVS say x,y,z will make it in doesn't mean that ideas can't change and pet peeves be put on the back burner. If small things make you peeved... don't get married.
I know things go on the back burner. But why 100% of the time does it have to be the non-pvper that gets shafted?
My money's as good as anyone's. My gameplay counts too. My contributions to the game are equally valid.
Yet the features I based my plans on never came, whilst PvPers get Dreadnoughts and Outposts to play with that were never even part of the plan for Exodus, let alone missed features.
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Hella May
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Posted - 2005.07.07 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: Hella May on 07/07/2005 07:30:26
Valentine you have plenty of chances to move out of Empire and some times it is often down the the miners fear of the unknown and change in gaming style. You would make far more mining crokite than trit (we'll at present)
The opportunities are there if you look for them.
I still understand that you are sayng though
Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
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Cornelius Murphy
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Posted - 2005.07.07 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Hella May
Edited by: Hella May on 07/07/2005 07:25:10
I would just like to point out though, that its about priorities, and CCPS priorities (whether they admit it or not) are to gaining subscriptions and keeping the players interested with new features.
Then it has not worked. I have cancelled 2 of my 3 accounts. This remaining one will stay as I am hoping the new skills and features will prove good in the long run, I just refuse to pay for 3 accts til I find out.
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smuld
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Posted - 2005.07.07 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Valentine Keen
Edited by: Valentine Keen on 07/07/2005 07:23:48
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
23 months and 3 days into EVE...
Games change... and because DEVS say x,y,z will make it in doesn't mean that ideas can't change and pet peeves be put on the back burner. If small things make you peeved... don't get married.
I know things go on the back burner. But why 100% of the time does it have to be the non-pvper that gets shafted?
My money's as good as anyone's. My gameplay counts too. My contributions to the game are equally valid.
Yet the features I based my plans on never came, whilst PvPers get Dreadnoughts and Outposts to play with that were never even part of the plan for Exodus, let alone missed features.
Edit:
As an example, adding the promised dynamic asteroid respawning would have made low sec and early 0.0 space more profitable, as the chances of finding better asteroids increased.
Who knows how many people this could have drawn out to dabble in 0.4s and even 0.0s for the sake of mining a few rarer rocks.
People complained of missions drawing people back to Empire, but as a miner, I never got the chance to move out from Empire.
i can only agree with u.
this is really becomming a PvP game. If it was me who was making this game, then if u was to have -0.1 in standing then u cant come into empire becrouse u have kill`d another player, just like en real life(police will kill u when he see u)
then they have to think about killing, and then we dont have so many weekend pirats.
but for now, i will stay in my little ship and mine some ore in empire, so i dont die
regards smuld
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Hyperforce99
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Posted - 2005.07.07 07:37:00 -
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yeh, some things never got added that sux
they also promised factory's for POS's but now they added those to outpostes, what the hell!
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Hella May
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Posted - 2005.07.07 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cornelius Murphy
Originally by: Hella May
Edited by: Hella May on 07/07/2005 07:25:10
I would just like to point out though, that its about priorities, and CCPS priorities (whether they admit it or not) are to gaining subscriptions and keeping the players interested with new features.
Then it has not worked. I have cancelled 2 of my 3 accounts. This remaining one will stay as I am hoping the new skills and features will prove good in the long run, I just refuse to pay for 3 accts til I find out.
To be quite blunt my friend: You are one of a minority - more than joined and stayed than left.
One could go one abour the product life cycle and all that.
As for Valentines' post: I still totally agree with it
Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
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Lidza
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Posted - 2005.07.07 07:57:00 -
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Edited by: Lidza on 07/07/2005 07:58:17
Valentine Keen,
Well written and very good points that CCP keeps missing.
Anyway I'm on holidays from EVE... from time being its Battlefield 2 to get away from EVE boredom and then I'll consider if I'd continue with EVE or not.
Even with this new additions, EVE continues a bit dull
LAG remains unchanged... fleet combat continues a complete joke due to LAG.
With the tons of dropes made my npcs, T1 market is dead with exception of T1 ships. So why bother buying BPOs and research them!
T2 market its on the limbo! BPO monopoly intruduced by CCP (like they did with miner 2's well before this lotto nocense) the prices of frigates are over 10x their value.
The npc missions are so boring and repetitive.
So whats the point of playing this game a game? Its just to see the char SP points slowly raising?
Just a though!
Cya one day in BF2 
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Xhanserbal
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Posted - 2005.07.07 07:57:00 -
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Divisional Wallets would have been so nice to see and the new mining system.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2005.07.07 08:01:00 -
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my gripe is the evemail system, for some reason the SOAB will just keep on blinkin' no matter how many times i click on all my mail. as well as not being able to send without clicking on portrait.
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Dante Chusuk
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Posted - 2005.07.07 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Dante Chusuk on 07/07/2005 08:29:24
Very well put there Valentine in your original post and replies.
I think that people quitting aren't really going to bring the issues people want to "complain" about to the fore (neither will "omgbbqfishstixmymisllsrbrkn") but a reasoned and well written post such as your might draw a bit more attention from the devs (when they have cleared the bugs from CW). There are aspects of Exodus I won't use but I would still like to see them followed through for the players that will use them so they can contribute to Eve in the way they want to.
Some days I wish I was as literate as someone like Valentine but at least this way he can post and I can agree or ask questions
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Jerusaleman
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Posted - 2005.07.07 08:38:00 -
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Well since the patch 2 of my corp members have left eve i have cancelled 1 account and i am pondering over my main account. For me and the people i know in eve who use missiles for there every day activitys what are we supposted to do were defencless train up the new skills which cost me a fortune i may add. So after paying rl money to play eve and with MY TIME i chose to train caldari and missils spending months traing them and testing them having fun as i learnt. Now these skills i payed for in more ways than 1 have been taken away from me made usless on a grand scale and im being forced to retrain weapon systems to compansate , that also means all my goals have been put on hold for, i may add; what looks like months. can not do missions anymore with out the aid of a large group well what happens when im on my own, when there not on line or i just want to be on my own. i was/we were happy doing missions now im left with nothing thats what the game was for me and my friends.
bugs and issues relating to them nar im not bothered so what if the chat is a bit dodgy ill survive. as i have said you have taken away what i payed for. My game is dwafed from the former glory it was only a few days ago i did not and do not want to stop to take time out from what i was doing to train month after month of conpulsive skills. what can i call you guys that will hit hard but wont get this post removed because im thinking it ......
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Disaster Case
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Posted - 2005.07.07 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: Disaster Case on 07/07/2005 08:46:17
I pride myself on not posting in the forums as my opinions may get a bit rash at times. That said, I've had since patch time to think over my feelings and now I can safely say that I completely agree, with a certain extent, with most of the above posts. The day after patch I and a few in my corp were contemplating our situation with the annoyances (bugs and new doped up chick voice alike). We for the most part feel like only 70% of the game that has been promised has been delivered. Granted they are small features but when you tabulate the sheer number of them and the time that passed since their inception... All those small features equal a big hassle. I like Eve alot. I think it has great potential. There is no other choice but to be patient and hope things work out. In the end, I applaud the above posters for voicing their opinions. I see alot of people either 1) not expressing themselves maturally or 2) getting shot-down by over-zelous "I played in Beta and I'm ubber so my opinion is better" forum jockeys. Nice job all :)
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Fortior
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: smuld
i can only agree with u.
this is really becomming a PvP game. If it was me who was making this game, then if u was to have -0.1 in standing then u cant come into empire becrouse u have kill`d another player, just like en real life(police will kill u when he see u)
then they have to think about killing, and then we dont have so many weekend pirats.
but for now, i will stay in my little ship and mine some ore in empire, so i dont die
regards smuld
Am I the only one who was under the impression that this was a PVP-game to begin with? I'm sorry if you were being sarcastic in your post (that's one of the saddest/funniest I've read in quite some time), but if anything people might say EVE is becoming less PVP. The now fixed bugged-sec-status for the 750k NPCs will really reduce the empire-pirating whether CCP likes it or not.
I'm no PVP'er myself (my combat merits consist of blindly charging into a CA gate-camp, alone, and running from an apoc with hull burning) but I like the sense of danger and added excitement an active PVP game brings. If I wanted a game where nothing but my patience is lost, I'd go back to WoW. /me shudders.
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Miri Tirzan
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Fortior
Originally by: smuld
i can only agree with u.
this is really becomming a PvP game. If it was me who was making this game, then if u was to have -0.1 in standing then u cant come into empire becrouse u have kill`d another player, just like en real life(police will kill u when he see u)
then they have to think about killing, and then we dont have so many weekend pirats.
but for now, i will stay in my little ship and mine some ore in empire, so i dont die
regards smuld
Am I the only one who was under the impression that this was a PVP-game to begin with? I'm sorry if you were being sarcastic in your post (that's one of the saddest/funniest I've read in quite some time), but if anything people might say EVE is becoming less PVP. The now fixed bugged-sec-status for the 750k NPCs will really reduce the empire-pirating whether CCP likes it or not.
I'm no PVP'er myself (my combat merits consist of blindly charging into a CA gate-camp, alone, and running from an apoc with hull burning) but I like the sense of danger and added excitement an active PVP game brings. If I wanted a game where nothing but my patience is lost, I'd go back to WoW. /me shudders.
All of Eve is PvP, but if you read the post, it is about Eve becoming a combat game. Not all of us play just for combat and there are other forms of PvP that are just as bloody but you dont bother to use a gun.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Grant Smith
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:44:00 -
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I agree with what our saying but the chat box is the main issue for me. It loked far better on the rpevious patc... they should have simply added the new functions like url to the old style chat
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Hella May
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:45:00 -
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PvP means person vs person. CCP attempted to create a multiplayer environment in which people work together and compete together.
A number of great issues, releases and new patches are changing the focus of the game from PvP total to PvP combat. CCP have not fixed the problems or created the original PvP total content that was promised.
It would be nice to see CCP develop the areas they promised and repair the bugs that have been present since beta before concentrating on attracting new customers. From my experience, most æolderÆ players feel that a lot of these bugs are being ignored as they are not a method of attracting new customers. Ironically, if people are closing accounts due to the lack of ccp addressal to these issues, one could argue that ccp are winning customers, only to lose the older customer base.
Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
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Redeol
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:50:00 -
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why they replaced/removed the "/me" command in chat is beyond me, i mean this is used in IRC etc etc, is it a mistake or intented, if intended i say the one that implemented that and the one that gave his or hers approval for it should lay off the ***** pipe, get a clue!
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Lungorthin
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Posted - 2005.07.07 09:52:00 -
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The issue with the current chat font is that it is a sans-serif font.
sans-serif = e.g. Arial
serif = e.g. Times, Times New Roman
Sans Serif fonts strain the eye when reading bigger masses of texts.
The reason Newpapers for example choose serif fonts (like Times) is because it is less straining, more pleasant.
Sans Serif Fonts are ok for Titles and headers or highlights, but not for reading bigger sections of texts over prolongued periods of time.
This is a know graphic design thing.
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Oveur
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Posted - 2005.07.07 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Valentine Keen
So, in conclusion, it's not the game's direction or the major changes that leave me with my mouse hovering over cancel on my accounts, it's the petty annoyances that grind on me every time I log in - the broken chats, the repeatedly breaking autopilot, the missing market entries, those are the things that make me want to give it all up.
I look at what was supposed to come with Exodus and I wonder why I'm still here deceiving myself into thinking it will ever come.
I have adressed the missing Exodus features a number of times. What you see in the CWE is all content, that's why it's called a content patch. Content does for the most part (about 95%) not require any programming. We wouldn't never have been able to put the last features of EXODUS into the 5% of this patch even if I wanted to (and I really did). But we will.
The small things you mention, like someone said here, if they are the only things wrong, I guess the rest of EVE is in pretty good shape, wouldn't you say?
Oh, and the Tech 1 Mining drones are in this patch, along with a Tech 2 variant. If you have any more specific things which are supposed to be on the market, feel free to list them. (Actually, last time I checked, Hammer did use a list from you.)
Anyways, thanks for the post, keeps me on my toes.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.07.07 11:40:00 -
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Am I right in thinking the Tech 1 mining drone BP's were added to the lottery too? I think doing that was a bit ghey of you CCP.
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2005.07.07 11:43:00 -
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Coldwar 4tw
i LUV this patch
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extra cAKe for ouvrer and CCP devs
content 4tw
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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Oveur
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Posted - 2005.07.07 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: babyblue
Am I right in thinking the Tech 1 mining drone BP's were added to the lottery too? I think doing that was a bit ghey of you CCP.
No, on the market.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.07.07 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: babyblue
Am I right in thinking the Tech 1 mining drone BP's were added to the lottery too? I think doing that was a bit ghey of you CCP.
No, on the market.
Good, good. I was misinformed. One of the side-effects of coming to the forums for information.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.07 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: babyblue
Am I right in thinking the Tech 1 mining drone BP's were added to the lottery too? I think doing that was a bit ghey of you CCP.
No, on the market.
Not on the markets I've checked. 
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.07 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Valentine Keen
So, in conclusion, it's not the game's direction or the major changes that leave me with my mouse hovering over cancel on my accounts, it's the petty annoyances that grind on me every time I log in - the broken chats, the repeatedly breaking autopilot, the missing market entries, those are the things that make me want to give it all up.
I look at what was supposed to come with Exodus and I wonder why I'm still here deceiving myself into thinking it will ever come.
I have adressed the missing Exodus features a number of times. What you see in the CWE is all content, that's why it's called a content patch. Content does for the most part (about 95%) not require any programming. We wouldn't never have been able to put the last features of EXODUS into the 5% of this patch even if I wanted to (and I really did). But we will.
The small things you mention, like someone said here, if they are the only things wrong, I guess the rest of EVE is in pretty good shape, wouldn't you say?
Oh, and the Tech 1 Mining drones are in this patch, along with a Tech 2 variant. If you have any more specific things which are supposed to be on the market, feel free to list them. (Actually, last time I checked, Hammer did use a list from you.)
Anyways, thanks for the post, keeps me on my toes.
No, it's the small things that get to you daily. The chat bugs that make being in a corp a chore and affect your fun. The problems with my mouse and zoom that make my mining difficult. The autopilot that affects my trading and so forth.
Yes, I often enjoy EVE despite them, sometimes I don't and they get me down. The fact remains little ever gets done to resolve them. It doesn't change the fact that seeing the same bug day in day out for 2 years is annoying and needlessly so.
We're full steam ahead on the main line, but for goodness sake it's a bumpy ride.
The fact is Outposts and Dreadnoughts and freighters were nothing to do with Exodus, and now, 7 months late on Exodus, I really no longer care whether they're content or coding, all I know is non-Exodus stuff seems to be getting far more attention than the missing parts of Exodus.
Maybe behind the scenes it's in progress, but please, for the sake of the few of us not salivating over bigger guns, bother to TELL US once in a while where these features are.
I mean COSMOS and such features must surely be coding, yet a random asteroid spawning which would have complimented Exodus greatly still can't be done? You've had to band-aid low sec with Zydrine when if you'd managed what you set out to, it wouldn't have been needed in the first place.
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Xantarr
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Posted - 2005.07.07 12:04:00 -
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Quote:
I mean how many patches have we had and still the simple things like Tech 1 Mining drones have been screwed up.
What is wrong with Tech 1 mining Drones?
I have never had a problem with them.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.07 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Xantarr
Quote:
I mean how many patches have we had and still the simple things like Tech 1 Mining drones have been screwed up.
What is wrong with Tech 1 mining Drones?
I have never had a problem with them.
You've never had a problem with them because you've never used one.
Basic Mining drones are Sub-tech 1 and Tech 1 mining drones have been missing since day one.
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Oveur
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Posted - 2005.07.07 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Valentine Keen
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: babyblue
Am I right in thinking the Tech 1 mining drone BP's were added to the lottery too? I think doing that was a bit ghey of you CCP.
No, on the market.
Not on the markets I've checked.
Market distribution for type Mining Drone I Blueprint
Amarr Empire \ Joint Harvesting
Amarr Empire \ Royal Amarr Institute
Caldari State \ Expert Distribution
Caldari State \ Kaalakiota Corporation
Caldari State \ Minedrill
Gallente Federation \ Aliastra
Gallente Federation \ Astral Mining Inc.
Gallente Federation \ Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation \ Federal Freight
Gallente Federation \ Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation \ Material Acquisition
Gallente Federation \ Roden Shipyards
Gallente Federation \ TransStellar Shipping
Gallente Federation \ University of Caille
Minmatar Republic \ Core Complexion Inc.
Minmatar Republic \ Freedom Extension
Minmatar Republic \ Minmatar Mining Corporation
ORE \ Outer Ring Excavations
Sansha's Nation \ True Power
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.07 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Valentine Keen
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: babyblue
Am I right in thinking the Tech 1 mining drone BP's were added to the lottery too? I think doing that was a bit ghey of you CCP.
No, on the market.
Not on the markets I've checked.
Market distribution for type Mining Drone I Blueprint
Amarr Empire \ Joint Harvesting
Amarr Empire \ Royal Amarr Institute
Caldari State \ Expert Distribution
Caldari State \ Kaalakiota Corporation
Caldari State \ Minedrill
Gallente Federation \ Aliastra
Gallente Federation \ Astral Mining Inc.
Gallente Federation \ Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation \ Federal Freight
Gallente Federation \ Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation \ Material Acquisition
Gallente Federation \ Roden Shipyards
Gallente Federation \ TransStellar Shipping
Gallente Federation \ University of Caille
Minmatar Republic \ Core Complexion Inc.
Minmatar Republic \ Freedom Extension
Minmatar Republic \ Minmatar Mining Corporation
ORE \ Outer Ring Excavations
Sansha's Nation \ True Power
Strange, 'cause last night Sinq Laison region was showing 'none available' for me.
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Xantarr
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Posted - 2005.07.07 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Valentine Keen
Originally by: Xantarr
Quote:
I mean how many patches have we had and still the simple things like Tech 1 Mining drones have been screwed up.
What is wrong with Tech 1 mining Drones?
I have never had a problem with them.
You've never had a problem with them because you've never used one.
Basic Mining drones are Sub-tech 1 and Tech 1 mining drones have been missing since day one.
Ahh...I see, thanks for clarifing that.
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Hella May
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Posted - 2005.07.07 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Valentine Keen
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: babyblue
Am I right in thinking the Tech 1 mining drone BP's were added to the lottery too? I think doing that was a bit ghey of you CCP.
No, on the market.
Not on the markets I've checked.
Market distribution for type Mining Drone I Blueprint
Amarr Empire \ Joint Harvesting
Amarr Empire \ Royal Amarr Institute
Caldari State \ Expert Distribution
Caldari State \ Kaalakiota Corporation
Caldari State \ Minedrill
Gallente Federation \ Aliastra
Gallente Federation \ Astral Mining Inc.
Gallente Federation \ Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation \ Federal Freight
Gallente Federation \ Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation \ Material Acquisition
Gallente Federation \ Roden Shipyards
Gallente Federation \ TransStellar Shipping
Gallente Federation \ University of Caille
Minmatar Republic \ Core Complexion Inc.
Minmatar Republic \ Freedom Extension
Minmatar Republic \ Minmatar Mining Corporation
ORE \ Outer Ring Excavations
Sansha's Nation \ True Power
Valentine how many times have I told you not to argue with the Devs!?
Ov, even after repairing the mining drones, will you be address the other 'minor'* issues in the near future?
*minor in size not annoyance
Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
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Chade Malloy
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Posted - 2005.07.07 12:23:00 -
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btw the building requirements for TII drones are rather harsh... (lvl V in two respective science skills) I mean they are drones not even HACs have that high building requirements.
Oh well, time for some specialisation.
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Par'Gellen
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Posted - 2005.07.07 12:25:00 -
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Valentine Keen,
Thank you for the excellent and very well written post. It is so true. I'm glad I'm not the only person that the little stuff gets to.
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Par'Gellen
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Posted - 2005.07.07 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Par''Gellen on 07/07/2005 12:31:52
Originally by: Oveur
The small things you mention, like someone said here, if they are the only things wrong, I guess the rest of EVE is in pretty good shape, wouldn't you say?
I do not agree. The inability to fix tiny simple bugs destroys the player base's confidence in the devs' abilities and therefore raises questions in our minds like "If they can't fix something this simple, does the new stuff they just added even work? Can I rely on it?"
Oveur, It's all about "Quality Of Product". I could build awesome glowing dancing computers for people but if the buttons fell off when pressed and the CD-ROM ejected itself at random intervals AND IT WAS NEVER FIXED, EVER, I promise you people would quickly begin to lose interest.
It's simple Quality 101. No rocket science involved...
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.07.07 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 07/07/2005 12:46:39
Originally by: Lungorthin
The issue with the current chat font is that it is a sans-serif font. <snip>
This is a know graphic design thing.
Ugh. Thanks for pointing that out, Lungorthin.
Can CCP just release a TTF of the old font, and let us plug that back in?
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Sid Carrera
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Posted - 2005.07.07 12:47:00 -
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I think that the game is slowly turning to what i expected it to be from day one, which makes me glad that i started playing again only few months ago.
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Dante Chusuk
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Posted - 2005.07.07 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Valentine Keen
Strange, 'cause last night Sinq Laison region was showing 'none available' for me.
Valentine, I had the same problem with Warhead Upgrades in Sinq Liason region after the patch. The regional market showed none available until I docked at one of the "university" stations and suddenly they were available in that station (at a reasonable cost). The "clear cache" workaround I have seen posted elsewhere did not clean up this particular issue.
I'm going to check this same "procedure" tonight when I get home (if I get home through the rush hour traffic).
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Hella May
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Posted - 2005.07.07 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sid Carrera
I think that the game is slowly turning to what i expected it to be from day one, which makes me glad that i started playing again only few months ago.
A game full of unfilled promises and annoying bugs???
Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
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Genevieve Blue
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Posted - 2005.07.07 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Genevieve Blue on 07/07/2005 12:57:20
Originally by: Dante Chusuk
Originally by: Valentine Keen
Strange, 'cause last night Sinq Laison region was showing 'none available' for me.
Valentine, I had the same problem with Warhead Upgrades in Sinq Liason region after the patch. The regional market showed none available until I docked at one of the "university" stations and suddenly they were available in that station (at a reasonable cost). The "clear cache" workaround I have seen posted elsewhere did not clean up this particular issue.
I'm going to check this same "procedure" tonight when I get home (if I get home through the rush hour traffic).
Hmm, well, I guess it's nice to be wrong for once, but hardly pleasing that it's because of another bug instead. Ah well. 
VK
Edit:
Oops, stupid alt.
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Shiva Aleth
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Posted - 2005.07.07 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Genevieve Blue
Edited by: Genevieve Blue on 07/07/2005 12:57:20
Originally by: Dante Chusuk
Originally by: Valentine Keen
Strange, 'cause last night Sinq Laison region was showing 'none available' for me.
Valentine, I had the same problem with Warhead Upgrades in Sinq Liason region after the patch. The regional market showed none available until I docked at one of the "university" stations and suddenly they were available in that station (at a reasonable cost). The "clear cache" workaround I have seen posted elsewhere did not clean up this particular issue.
I'm going to check this same "procedure" tonight when I get home (if I get home through the rush hour traffic).
Hmm, well, I guess it's nice to be wrong for once, but hardly pleasing that it's because of another bug instead. Ah well.
VK
Edit:
Oops, stupid alt.
A whole lot of people from the price_check channel and I just scoured the universe and couldn't seem to locate any of these. Can you please confirm if your method worked and at which system.
Thank you,
Shiva
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Wraith Hunter
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Posted - 2005.07.07 15:26:00 -
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Amarr Empire \ Joint Harvesting
Amarr Empire \ Royal Amarr Institute
Caldari State \ Expert Distribution
Caldari State \ Kaalakiota Corporation
Caldari State \ Minedrill
Gallente Federation \ Aliastra
Gallente Federation \ Astral Mining Inc.
Gallente Federation \ Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation \ Federal Freight
Gallente Federation \ Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation \ Material Acquisition
Gallente Federation \ Roden Shipyards
Gallente Federation \ TransStellar Shipping
Gallente Federation \ University of Caille
Minmatar Republic \ Core Complexion Inc.
Minmatar Republic \ Freedom Extension
Minmatar Republic \ Minmatar Mining Corporation
ORE \ Outer Ring Excavations
Sansha's Nation \ True Power
these items arnt in the market when will they be ??? or is this another ghost in the machine
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.07 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Shiva Aleth
Originally by: Genevieve Blue
Edited by: Genevieve Blue on 07/07/2005 12:57:20
Originally by: Dante Chusuk
Originally by: Valentine Keen
Strange, 'cause last night Sinq Laison region was showing 'none available' for me.
Valentine, I had the same problem with Warhead Upgrades in Sinq Liason region after the patch. The regional market showed none available until I docked at one of the "university" stations and suddenly they were available in that station (at a reasonable cost). The "clear cache" workaround I have seen posted elsewhere did not clean up this particular issue.
I'm going to check this same "procedure" tonight when I get home (if I get home through the rush hour traffic).
Hmm, well, I guess it's nice to be wrong for once, but hardly pleasing that it's because of another bug instead. Ah well.
VK
Edit:
Oops, stupid alt.
A whole lot of people from the price_check channel and I just scoured the universe and couldn't seem to locate any of these. Can you please confirm if your method worked and at which system.
Thank you,
Shiva
Oh, not so wrong after all. 
*Looks around for Oveur.*
And, sorry, no, not tried clearing cache myself yet - am at work, sadly.
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Thidrek
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Posted - 2005.07.07 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nac MacFeegle
put a slash or a dot in the center of the zero!
This is not a zero and will never be: Ï
It is a letter in the Norwegian and Danish languages.
But maybe this is something that suits you: θ
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Michaela Kel'Dragon
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Posted - 2005.07.07 15:56:00 -
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/emote sits in Core Complexion station in Eram and does find neither a Mining Drone I BPO nor a price history. So they are not ingame yet i think
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.07.07 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ticondrius on 07/07/2005 16:17:04
Checked every corp and region in that list Oveur, no Mining Drone I BPO. I had my entire corp go looking for them in every empire region...nothing. Please don't tell me the only source is ORE in Outer Ring like so much of the new Industry stuff BPOs...
EDIT: Found it in the research lotto queue. Brilliant, Ovuer...Just fing brilliant.
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Oveur
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Posted - 2005.07.07 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Michaela Kel'Dragon
/emote sits in Core Complexion station in Eram and does find neither a Mining Drone I BPO nor a price history. So they are not ingame yet i think
You'll see it after next downtime, I just logged on to the same station and saw what was wrong.
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Septh Mac
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Posted - 2005.07.07 16:18:00 -
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Been talking to a gm about them, he said they are in game hes checked, just rather rare atm, they wil become more common in a week or 2 he said, along with most the new stuff
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Dante Chusuk
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Posted - 2005.07.07 17:09:00 -
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Apologies Valentine, you're right it seems (didn't see page 4 until I got home from work ... South Circular ugh!).
I'm wondering if it is related to only 1 BP for the Basic Mining Drone being available per station. Ah well Oveur appears to be sorting it out 
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.07.07 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Par'Gellen
Oveur, It's all about "Quality Of Product". I could build awesome glowing dancing computers for people but if the buttons fell off when pressed and the CD-ROM ejected itself at random intervals AND IT WAS NEVER FIXED, EVER, I promise you people would quickly begin to lose interest.
It's simple Quality 101. No rocket science involved...
Please tell Apple that. Stupid ipods...
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Trader Klyde
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Posted - 2005.07.07 18:35:00 -
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Thanks much Valentine for pointing those out. They have been irritating me for a long time.
Here's another small one that bothers me...
Prior to Exodus, you could right-click a chat channel header and get a drop-down of commands... Such as "Invite to channel" (I think it was), and once hovering the mouse over it a list of players from the buddy list would appear, so you could select a person to invite to the channel. It was very handy, very. It's been gone since Exodus, along with most of the channel commands. I BR'd it a long time ago and was told it would get fixed. Hehe...
Unless it has changed recently, another "Shiva" feature was a MOTD for the corp channel. Still haven't seen that one since the expansion, yet it was on Singularity during Shiva testing.
Small bugs, yet aggravating.
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sable's helper
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Posted - 2005.07.07 18:36:00 -
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my only gripe with the game is it does'nt have anyway to show that your afk.
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Imaweepony
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Posted - 2005.07.07 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: sable's helper
my only gripe with the game is it does'nt have anyway to show that your afk.
Try typing "AFK"?
I agree on some of the little things getting me as well. My personal peeve right now is that I've been training Advanced Weapons upgrades for the last couple of days so that I can get back some of my original ships setups; only to find out that now there is a bug with that skill. Makes me wonder how many other skills added may have bugs?
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Novacain
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Posted - 2005.07.08 02:21:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Lidza
Edited by: Lidza on 07/07/2005 07:58:17
Valentine Keen,
Well written and very good points that CCP keeps missing.
Even with this new additions, EVE continues a bit dull
LAG remains unchanged... fleet combat continues a complete joke due to LAG.
With the tons of dropes made my npcs, T1 market is dead with exception of T1 ships. So why bother buying BPOs and research them!
T2 market its on the limbo! BPO monopoly intruduced by CCP (like they did with miner 2's well before this lotto nocense) the prices of frigates are over 10x their value.
The npc missions are so boring and repetitive.
So whats the point of playing this game a game? Its just to see the char SP points slowly raising?
Just a though! Cya one day in BF2
Great post Lidza.
I was thinking that the fact that the economy in eve is entirely controled by ccp is what is keeping the game from taking new directions. Alas as it has been pointed out 'the patch' was a content patch. But essentially previous patches must have been as well. In as much as they have not added the potential of a greater game-character depth. Where skills and acquired enhancements are just a mantel(cloack) to be worn by players and altered at wim of dev's. Eve has depth, but is not one that is penetrates or is generated by players when the attributes that constitutes character is skin deep. Naturally the divine intervention is to some extent a product of balancing the game but at the same time making it a little bland. Who is running the stock market?(no one)
In another thread it was pointed out that nearly all generic items from either of the 4 main factions are readily available throughtout eve. A homogenous singleplayer experience under the illusion of freedom. Naturally it is in a sense benificial for traders that a greater proximity between regions has been added throught 'highways', yet what is the point if all is already within reach. Within reach is also the skill/tech levels. With time and in equal messure. The true ownership of game elements is essential if there is going to be any strategy or impetus to wage war in more than one sense. e.g. That of a gun.(Peace is just the preperation for war and until then, war by other means). Which should render bugs in the interface negiable outside the grind of npc-agent missions.
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Vodwyn
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Posted - 2005.07.08 04:27:00 -
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I started playing EvE last August during their big push on getting new subscribers. A month or two after that, I had some inrl things happen and pretty much couldn't play from Sept or October until about 3 weeks ago. Coming back post-exodus and into coldwar, I can honestly say that the commitment that the developers and company make towards progressing the game is awesome. A patch in EvE is like a whole expansion in another game and then some. I can't name all the changes that I have seen and think are absolutely fantastic. Even market is better. CCP shows an awesome devotion to this game, and while there may be some things that might not have come around yet, I have faith in them because they have shown that they are commited to make the game a good experience for their players. I doubt you will find any mmorpg company out there that shows such a great commitment to their game(esp on that huge isk seller ban). I do tend to agree that you should be able to either pick the new font or the old, but that is so minor I really don't notice. A patch like this on any mmorpg would have left the game unplayable for days. I am willing to deal with some text errors until they fix it.
If small things about this game are bothering you, maybe you are too wrapped up in it.
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.07.08 04:36:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Valentine Keen
So, in conclusion, it's not the game's direction or the major changes that leave me with my mouse hovering over cancel on my accounts, it's the petty annoyances that grind on me every time I log in - the broken chats, the repeatedly breaking autopilot, the missing market entries, those are the things that make me want to give it all up.
I look at what was supposed to come with Exodus and I wonder why I'm still here deceiving myself into thinking it will ever come.
I have adressed the missing Exodus features a number of times. What you see in the CWE is all content, that's why it's called a content patch. Content does for the most part (about 95%) not require any programming. We wouldn't never have been able to put the last features of EXODUS into the 5% of this patch even if I wanted to (and I really did). But we will.
The small things you mention, like someone said here, if they are the only things wrong, I guess the rest of EVE is in pretty good shape, wouldn't you say?
Oh, and the Tech 1 Mining drones are in this patch, along with a Tech 2 variant. If you have any more specific things which are supposed to be on the market, feel free to list them. (Actually, last time I checked, Hammer did use a list from you.)
Anyways, thanks for the post, keeps me on my toes.
Amazing how much can go wrong in that 5%
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Hella May
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Posted - 2005.07.08 07:34:00 -
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Edited by: Hella May on 08/07/2005 07:33:57
By the way....
Where did 'invite' to a convo go?
how annoying is it when three of you want to talk outside of the usual channels but you can only now have a 1 on 1?
IMO that goes totally against the CCP PvP ethos.....
Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.08 08:25:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Vodwyn
I started playing EvE last August during their big push on getting new subscribers. A month or two after that, I had some inrl things happen and pretty much couldn't play from Sept or October until about 3 weeks ago. Coming back post-exodus and into coldwar, I can honestly say that the commitment that the developers and company make towards progressing the game is awesome. A patch in EvE is like a whole expansion in another game and then some. I can't name all the changes that I have seen and think are absolutely fantastic. Even market is better. CCP shows an awesome devotion to this game, and while there may be some things that might not have come around yet, I have faith in them because they have shown that they are commited to make the game a good experience for their players. I doubt you will find any mmorpg company out there that shows such a great commitment to their game(esp on that huge isk seller ban). I do tend to agree that you should be able to either pick the new font or the old, but that is so minor I really don't notice. A patch like this on any mmorpg would have left the game unplayable for days. I am willing to deal with some text errors until they fix it.
If small things about this game are bothering you, maybe you are too wrapped up in it.
But this is my point. With bugs having been around in the same form since 2003, my confidence in their ability to fix text errors and so forth is pretty low. I have to resign myself to knowing that the new bugs I'm finding so irritating will also likely be around for a long time to come, and that does get to you after 2 years of the same problems.
My confidence in the future is reduced by the inability to correct the continuing problems with the past, the ongoing bugs that take the shine off the game little by little on a daily basis, more so when they never get fixed.
For example, if I can't trust them to get the little things, like Tech 1 BPOs right, how confident can I be when they promise Tech 3 in the future?
Oh, and as a plea - if anyone is around after downtime, I'd appreciate knowing if the Tech 1 Mining drone BPOs do finally seed, as I'm at work and unable to check for hours. 
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Tatl Eon
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Posted - 2005.07.08 10:36:00 -
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1 thing that really annoys me is that thing that objects now pop up and just dissapear in the distance!
THAT SUCKS
eve is great because its field of view is so immens, but with astroids changing into dots while there still very good visible makes me puke.
man, change it back damnit.
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Wraith Hunter
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Posted - 2005.07.08 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Wraith Hunter on 08/07/2005 11:36:36
well i just loged in and no mining drone 1 in any of the market another borken prommis
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2005.07.08 11:52:00 -
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yes i am in the wondering of this as well, i see no bpo
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Tatl Eon
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Posted - 2005.07.08 12:04:00 -
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those will be poping up upcomming 2 weeks
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Elin Eliasson
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Posted - 2005.07.08 12:14:00 -
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I got "huge" problems too see the text now days it blurry and well I cant say I like it
Still I thought the nav system would have a new look but I havent seen any beside the chatt
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Wraith Hunter
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Posted - 2005.07.08 12:39:00 -
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what i mean it the dev sed that there was a problem and they would be in game after dt, its ferther back in this thred, i have been to the staitons and nothing
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.08 12:43:00 -
[84]
*Bumpage until Oveur sees it.*
Still no drones??????????
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Dante Chusuk
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Posted - 2005.07.08 12:54:00 -
[85]
A friend who is not working today has tried three different regions for me and has not seen any Mining Drone I BPOs. Getting him to check the other "odd" thing I spotted yesterday where there was only 1 (one) Basic Mining Drone BPO available per station ...
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.08 15:06:00 -
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Anyone any more information on these?
Going to be rather disappointed returning home to find them still not in game.
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Kaliesin
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Posted - 2005.07.08 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Kaliesin on 08/07/2005 15:18:45
Sorry Val, still no sign.
And that makes this one of those small annoying things, pointing out a bug, having a promise to fix and neither a fix, nor a 'sorry its harder to fix than I thought and will take X days'.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.08 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Hella May
Edited by: Hella May on 08/07/2005 07:33:57
By the way....
Where did 'invite' to a convo go?
how annoying is it when three of you want to talk outside of the usual channels but you can only now have a 1 on 1?
IMO that goes totally against the CCP PvP ethos.....
Still there.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.08 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kaliesin
Edited by: Kaliesin on 08/07/2005 15:18:45
Sorry Val, still no sign.
And that makes this one of those small annoying things, pointing out a bug, having a promise to fix and neither a fix, nor a 'sorry its harder to fix than I thought and will take X days'.
*Val nods and resets his timer.*
Tech 1 Mining Drones. 2 years, 2 months and counting...
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.09 14:11:00 -
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Another day, another DT, still no BP.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.07.09 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Par'Gellen
Edited by: Par''Gellen on 07/07/2005 12:31:52
Originally by: Oveur
The small things you mention, like someone said here, if they are the only things wrong, I guess the rest of EVE is in pretty good shape, wouldn't you say?
I do not agree. The inability to fix tiny simple bugs destroys the player base's confidence in the devs' abilities and therefore raises questions in our minds like "If they can't fix something this simple, does the new stuff they just added even work? Can I rely on it?"
Oveur, It's all about "Quality Of Product". I could build awesome glowing dancing computers for people but if the buttons fell off when pressed and the CD-ROM ejected itself at random intervals AND IT WAS NEVER FIXED, EVER, I promise you people would quickly begin to lose interest.
It's simple Quality 101. No rocket science involved...
They're only so many people. Would you rather they fix the big bugs or the little ones? Because honestly, they can't fix both at the same time due to lack of manhours and bug reports. If you really want a bug fixed, get everyone you know to send a bug report and they'll realise it's annoying all of you and give it priority.
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Par'Gellen
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Posted - 2005.07.09 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
They're only so many people. Would you rather they fix the big bugs or the little ones? Because honestly, they can't fix both at the same time due to lack of manhours and bug reports. If you really want a bug fixed, get everyone you know to send a bug report and they'll realise it's annoying all of you and give it priority.
I expect a quality product and I am fully justified in feeling this way. To be honest when I see a developer of said product saying things like what amounts to "Well we know it's buggered but it's good enough so please shut up and go away." it makes me feel a tad disenchanted.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.10 09:50:00 -
[93]
Another day, another DT coming up, still waiting to see if the Mining Drone 1's will make it in, so it's another post from me to keep the issue raised.
Maybe if you all get as tired of me as I am as tired of the BPs being missing, you guys will fix it.
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Jake McGuinness
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Posted - 2005.07.10 11:32:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Imaweepony
My personal peeve right now is that I've been training Advanced Weapons upgrades for the last couple of days so that I can get back some of my original ships setups
Another frustrating new skill that I overlooked ?
Don't understand the logic behind it. Why do we need a new skill to be able to use the things that we have been able to use a long time already ?
Is this to please the multi-million skillpoint characters, who don't know what to skill anymore ?
There are people out there with only a few million skillpoints, who have still the old electronics, engineering, mechanics, gunnery, missile and ship skills on their list.
I want to advance. If I have to learn 10 new skills just to be able to do, what I did before and can't learn the other skills that I wanted to learn to advance, then it's just frustrating !
Feels like: 'You started late, you are a nub and you will ever be a nub because we turn the skill screw faster than you can level.' *rant over* was OT anyway
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Branco
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Posted - 2005.07.10 14:54:00 -
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Actually, I think what most of the costumers expect is that they fix the old bugs before they put the new ones, as simple as that.
Originally by: Nyphur
They're only so many people. Would you rather they fix the big bugs or the little ones? Because honestly, they can't fix both at the same time due to lack of manhours and bug reports. If you really want a bug fixed, get everyone you know to send a bug report and they'll realise it's annoying all of you and give it priority.
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Par'Gellen
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Posted - 2005.07.10 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Branco
Actually, I think what most of the costumers expect is that they fix the old bugs before they put the new ones, as simple as that.
I could not have said it better myself!
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.10 20:55:00 -
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Yay, finally the BP is appearing on the market for me now.
*Crosses complaint off the list.*
Right next up we have....
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sutty
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Posted - 2005.07.10 23:21:00 -
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Just to point out /me never has worked, that light blue text that shows when doing 'me' does not show to anyone else. I know that typing /<command> and its not reconised shows that light blue text, if you remember way back when autopilot was introduced you used to have to turn it on via the chat window typing some command ( cant remember exactly )
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.07.11 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Valentine Keen
So, in conclusion, it's not the game's direction or the major changes that leave me with my mouse hovering over cancel on my accounts, it's the petty annoyances that grind on me every time I log in - the broken chats, the repeatedly breaking autopilot, the missing market entries, those are the things that make me want to give it all up.
I look at what was supposed to come with Exodus and I wonder why I'm still here deceiving myself into thinking it will ever come.
I have adressed the missing Exodus features a number of times. What you see in the CWE is all content, that's why it's called a content patch. Content does for the most part (about 95%) not require any programming. We wouldn't never have been able to put the last features of EXODUS into the 5% of this patch even if I wanted to (and I really did). But we will.
The small things you mention, like someone said here, if they are the only things wrong, I guess the rest of EVE is in pretty good shape, wouldn't you say?
Oh, and the Tech 1 Mining drones are in this patch, along with a Tech 2 variant. If you have any more specific things which are supposed to be on the market, feel free to list them. (Actually, last time I checked, Hammer did use a list from you.)
Anyways, thanks for the post, keeps me on my toes.
Oveur, a bit unrelated, but I have to call your attention to this post talking about a big bunch of skill that are missing of the market, and many people that want to specialize to 1 or 2 of them (like me) can't seem to find an answer in how they will be released.
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Maurauder
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Posted - 2005.07.11 00:45:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Valentine Keen
....and broken commands such as /me that really disappoint...
/emote never knew that /me DID work, and wonders why people are so upset at having to type three extra letters.
Why change something that worked?!? If it is not broke don't fix it!
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countx
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Posted - 2005.07.11 01:25:00 -
[101]
damn it,
I just get back from holidays and the new patch stinks....
The hole feel of game is changed!!!! and ffs what the hell is this new font I mean bloody hell, it is really bad!!! did anyone actually look at it before u put it into the patch?
and the extreme lag now in the chat box pus the portraits are scewed BAH!!! all these little things just annoy the crap out of me.... looks for another game :(
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Dante Chusuk
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Posted - 2005.07.11 07:54:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Valentine Keen
Yay, finally the BP is appearing on the market for me now.
*Crosses complaint off the list.*
Right next up we have....
Don't know where yours appeared Valentine but I am still yet to see this where I am. Maybe I need to run around my usual shopping regions again this evening.
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Edoo
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Posted - 2005.07.11 08:13:00 -
[103]
The chat box.... well... due to my out of date drivers now the text is all scrambled and i have to copy it to notepad to read it. Updating the drivers is impossible on my laptop. It makes my gameplay crap, and stops me having fun. The problem started at exodus with market description, bios etc. But the chat windows is too much.
Plz CCP bring back the exact old chat interface so i can actually read what people are saying.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.11 09:12:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Dante Chusuk
Originally by: Valentine Keen
Yay, finally the BP is appearing on the market for me now.
*Crosses complaint off the list.*
Right next up we have....
Don't know where yours appeared Valentine but I am still yet to see this where I am. Maybe I need to run around my usual shopping regions again this evening.
Mining Drone 1 BPO appearing for me in Sinq Liason region - if you haven't already, clear the Machonet directory from your cache - it's been screwing up the market.
I'll check again tonight, I didn't have time to buy it yesterday, so if I have any problems, you can be sure I'll yell.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.11 09:18:00 -
[105]
Originally by: sutty
Just to point out /me never has worked, that light blue text that shows when doing 'me' does not show to anyone else. I know that typing /<command> and its not reconised shows that light blue text, if you remember way back when autopilot was introduced you used to have to turn it on via the chat window typing some command ( cant remember exactly )
/me did previously work (as did /emote).
Although you are correct that / gives rise to blue text that goes unseen by anyone, /me did work.
Now, I agree /me is unrecognised and gives that wierd blue text, but prior to the patch, I can assure you it was working fine.
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ZoRzEr
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Posted - 2005.07.11 09:25:00 -
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I miss the /chtpriv [Persons name] in chat to have a private chat with a certain person.
Other then that I get by.
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Nym Qyamara
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Posted - 2005.07.11 09:59:00 -
[107]
** Signed **
Lots of shiny new stuff and lots of broken old stuff. (still)
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Dante Chusuk
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Posted - 2005.07.11 11:18:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Valentine Keen
Mining Drone 1 BPO appearing for me in Sinq Liason region - if you haven't already, clear the Machonet directory from your cache - it's been screwing up the market.
I'll check again tonight, I didn't have time to buy it yesterday, so if I have any problems, you can be sure I'll yell.
Thanks Valentine, strange as I am in Sinq Liason and have been clearing that cache directory after every D/T just in case And think I mentioned it to you a few pages ago as a possible fix Round and round we go, where we stop nobody knows.
Sorry it's one of those days at work.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.11 11:57:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Dante Chusuk
Originally by: Valentine Keen
Mining Drone 1 BPO appearing for me in Sinq Liason region - if you haven't already, clear the Machonet directory from your cache - it's been screwing up the market.
I'll check again tonight, I didn't have time to buy it yesterday, so if I have any problems, you can be sure I'll yell.
Thanks Valentine, strange as I am in Sinq Liason and have been clearing that cache directory after every D/T just in case And think I mentioned it to you a few pages ago as a possible fix Round and round we go, where we stop nobody knows.
Sorry it's one of those days at work.
Hehe, tell me about it.
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Commander Stringer
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Posted - 2005.07.11 12:19:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Valentine Keen
So, in conclusion, it's not the game's direction or the major changes that leave me with my mouse hovering over cancel on my accounts, it's the petty annoyances that grind on me every time I log in - the broken chats, the repeatedly breaking autopilot, the missing market entries, those are the things that make me want to give it all up.
I look at what was supposed to come with Exodus and I wonder why I'm still here deceiving myself into thinking it will ever come.
I have adressed the missing Exodus features a number of times. What you see in the CWE is all content, that's why it's called a content patch. Content does for the most part (about 95%) not require any programming. We wouldn't never have been able to put the last features of EXODUS into the 5% of this patch even if I wanted to (and I really did). But we will.
The small things you mention, like someone said here, if they are the only things wrong, I guess the rest of EVE is in pretty good shape, wouldn't you say?
Oh, and the Tech 1 Mining drones are in this patch, along with a Tech 2 variant. If you have any more specific things which are supposed to be on the market, feel free to list them. (Actually, last time I checked, Hammer did use a list from you.)
Anyways, thanks for the post, keeps me on my toes.
Agree with all comments in this post and thread. I too have been playing almost two years and have seen amny things go from bad to worse...
I draw you Attention Oveur to this post i placed in the known Issues forum..cut and pasted for your inconvenience..
I've said this before and I'll say it again..we SHOULD NOT have to play eve with audio off to get a decent framerate...that is a CCP half baked dodgy workaround because I think they either do not know why sound is such a lag monster in eve or they do not have the skill to solve the problem. Plenty of other games run fine in extreme combat situations with sound on..ie Earth and Beyond (god bless that game pity it was nerfed to hell and had no decent PvP in it) Tribes2, Battlefield2 the list goes on....
I say FIX THE DAMN SOUND/LAG ISSUE and stop dodging around it like it doesn't exist.
This has been mentioned soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many times and you are simply working around it or ignoring it..Surely in the last two years of live development and the previous year of beta (which i participated in) have you continued to ignore this so very obvious flaw in Trinity your o-so-eve-specific 3D engine. For christsakes speak to other developers out there who run mmo's and even just online FPS blastemtosoggyfraggybits games..
graphically the game is stunning..in terms of audio its beautiful..put the two together and what have you got? BUGGER ALL......
I was having a discussion with some ppl on sisi not too long ago about this issue and remember one person saying that your machine may be at fault. Nowadays many ppl's PC's EXCEED, and exceed by a BLOODY long way, the box requirements for Eve and yet they still have to play with sound off, and effects off, and turrets off just so they don't lag when warping onto a gate with a 20 ship camp and die....
FIX IT DAMMIT...nuts to content you can put that in ANYTIME...fix the flaws, bugs,*****ups whatever you want to call them and fix them now. Two fracking years is long enough to learn what you need and must do.
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