I'm still trying to find a use for my kin and exp shield comp skills, I'll keep my em and therm, but I'd like to get my Exp and Kin sp back... I'll never use them now

Seems like the vast majority, armor or shield tankers, are against this... why are they doing this again? because the programming is to hard and the explanation to difficult?

Did you know that there are other BCs than the drake?

Adding my voice to the change it back chorus.

I have 3 characters with shield resist comps to 5 especially for the Invul while neuted crap.

Change it back.

When you alter how a skill interacts I believe it's customary to refund those skill points. Change it back or refund those points.

32-33 days training per character is no fuckin joke Greyscale.

May be they do it for the health of the game and not to please players who only care about their SP or an easier ingame life ?

I'm pretty sure the Sp will be reimbursed as unallocated SP like anything else they've taken away (i.e. learning skills) The SP simply doesn't vanish.

2ndly I'm more curious as to how this would improve the health of the overall game... seems like it will just improve cap warfare and limit choices to either full active (and hope to run it) or full passive, which is pretty much already being done daily.

I've been back 3 weeks after a very long break from eve (partly because of continued nerfing to Caldari (Shield/Long range missile boats)

Come back to even more facking nerfs. Everything trained since creating my Caldari 100km+ Missile shield tanking char in 2006 is becoming more and more irrelevant.

Missiles & shield boats were always second to Armour tanking with turrets and being the sort of person to go with the underdog I went the way of Missiles & Shield boats.

Since 2006 my heavy launchers for example, the range has dropped from 90km to 64km, damage has been nerfed, the Drake nerfed and looses a launcher slot amongst the other nerfs and to top it off, my shield skills which I spent "TIME" on, increased passive resists on harderners now also become nerfed into oblivion.

Must admit, coming back after the break, getting into null sec to do a spot of ratting and struggling to kill one lone Guristas Battleship with 700k bounty in a Tengu fitted with T2 gear was absolutely depressing to say the least. (never mind the perma-ecm)

Go ahead CCP, you may aswell remove everything that makes out races different. Wipe all chars, give us bog standard shield and armour ships & modules which are the same no matter what your race is. Make turrets and missile equipment exactly the same stat wise but with different graphics and save us all the god damn time and money waisted training in such a specific way. Doing it merely to neutralise blobdonut fleets.

When you make such changes as removing a stat which some of us specifically trained for then some kind of reimbursement should be granted.

STOP FCKING NERFING UNIQUENESS! I was proud to be Caldari years ago and now I have to question... who am I now ?

QQ, can I have your stuff, and HTFU...yup, I pretty much think that covers it...

somehow i get the feeling ccp is changing so many fundamental things at all that they should give all players a totall reset of the skillpoints and let the users decide where to redistribute them :-)

Typical generic response from an average yet primitive eve persona. Why don't you think of something constructive and interesting to respond with rather than generic garbage or can your 1 brain cell not handle it ?

If you want my stuff, I'll give you my RL address, then you can come and say that to my face big boy.

Does anyone have a link to where they said the SP will simply vanish into nothingness? Or do you keep the skills and just remove the "active" part of it? I have level 5 shield and armor trained on 2 characters.... I should hope the complete skill isn't removed, that's ALLOT of Sp...

Where do you live? If you're close to Boston, I'll swing by and bring a case of beer, then I'll take your unused stuff.

Typical generic response from an average yet primitive eve persona. Why don't you think of something constructive and interesting to respond with rather than generic garbage or can your 1 brain cell not handle it ?

The reply by the developer here was flippant to say the least, which certainly got my back up, and still does, the passive resistences had value and this is a buff to neuting, as if it needed that by the way.

I was trying to work out the benefit in terms of coding for this decision.. If CCP Greyscale could at least tell me straight out that there is a benefit in reducing lag in large fleet combats then I will shut up and let it go

The only thing I ask is that CCP introduce a passive all round shield resistence module like the EANM, at that point I can live with it.

tl;dr yes, this has been removed, because we felt that for a number of reasons it wasn't a function we wanted on active hardeners


This bonus came to the top of our work due to a defect, which prompted us to discuss whether we even wanted this feature in the first place. After fairly extensive discussion, we decided we would prefer to just remove it outright, for the following reasons:

• We're not, in general and with exceptions, fans of multi-function modules. EVE fitting is about trade-offs, not about having your cake and eating it. In this particular case, it was making the decision to take an active hardener over a passive one easier than it otherwise would be, which isn't a particularly good thing.
• The UX of this feature as implemented is pretty bad - there's two sets of resist attributes on the hardeners with very little explanation, the skill descriptions need to be unusually complicated to explain exactly what's going on, and it's not at all obvious from the modules that this feature even exists (see Liang's comment above).

Yes ccp keep nerfing items, people will leave and you'll get less and less people in game.
Removing passive resists is very stupid move another skill just became obsolete.

[quote=CCP Greyscale]Yes ccp keep nerfing items, people will leave and you'll get less and less people in game.
Removing passive resists is very stupid move another skill just became obsolete.

For the record, this was mostly a problem with the invuln getting full bonuses from each skill. they could have left the skills on type-specific armor and shield hardeners. That said, i don't care, this is a minor change.

Not thinking the issue is as significant as you think it is does not mean he was flippant..

To my knowledge, they never stated this was anything beyond a game design decision, which is sufficient reason to change something..

LOL. What a reasonable and completely original request. I'm sure CCP have never heard this asked for before.

The change is bad for newer pilots that are shield tankers since the removal of passive resists combined with recent armor tank buffs makes shield look much less appealing. I can do both so it's only slightly annoying to me.

I would like to see CCP refund SP for skills that no longer have the same purpose when they were trained but good luck with that. How do you think Iteron Mark V pilots are going to feel when the skill goes from a month to 30 minutes.... No lube used by CCP on that one!