We discussed this again at our morning design meeting today, and we're still of the opinion that this is the correct change to make in this case. Obviously we're keeping an eye on this thread to make sure there isn't something we've missed, but as of today we're still comfortable with the consequences here.


To those asking about patch notes, here's the draft versions from a few weeks ago:

- Active armor hardeners and shield hardeners no longer give a passive resistance bonus when not active
- Armor and shield compensation skills no longer give any bonus to active armor or shield hardeners


To those asking about reimbursement etc: we make balance changes on a fairly regular basis, and we're not generally in the habit of reimbursing skill points except in exceptional circumstances (which this isn't).

We discussed this again at our morning design meeting today, and we're still of the opinion that this is the correct change to make in this case. Obviously we're keeping an eye on this thread to make sure there isn't something we've missed, but as of today we're still comfortable with the consequences here.


To those asking about patch notes, here's the draft versions from a few weeks ago:

- Active armor hardeners and shield hardeners no longer give a passive resistance bonus when not active
- Armor and shield compensation skills no longer give any bonus to active armor or shield hardeners


To those asking about reimbursement etc: we make balance changes on a fairly regular basis, and we're not generally in the habit of reimbursing skill points except in exceptional circumstances (which this isn't).

Will these skills still apply to the energised armour platings?

if so when do the shield tankers get their active but not really active hardeners?

The same day armor tankers get x-large reppers that don't use any cap.

We discussed this again at our morning design meeting today, and we're still of the opinion that this is the correct change to make in this case. Obviously we're keeping an eye on this thread to make sure there isn't something we've missed, but as of today we're still comfortable with the consequences here.


To those asking about patch notes, here's the draft versions from a few weeks ago:

- Active armor hardeners and shield hardeners no longer give a passive resistance bonus when not active
- Armor and shield compensation skills no longer give any bonus to active armor or shield hardeners


To those asking about reimbursement etc: we make balance changes on a fairly regular basis, and we're not generally in the habit of reimbursing skill points except in exceptional circumstances (which this isn't).

If only there was a module....lets call it Ancillary Armor Repairer in the pipeline....

Wow, that'd sure be awesome.

It uses cap.

If only there was a module....lets call it Ancillary Armor Repairer in the pipeline....

Wow, that'd sure be awesome.

It is very bad communication from CCP, I trained shield comp skills only to gert some resists while neuted so it is a waste for me now. I doubt that anything will be changed even through imho should compensate those SP for BOTH armor and shield and than anyone who need them in new situation can apply them back.

What it does merit is a shield version of Adaptive Nano Plating (NOT EANMs, as the armour tankers should retain the edge in passive omni resists) so that there's some viable use for shield comp skills that isn't a ridiculously marginal edge case.

"Shield ANPs" would still be significantly less powerful than EANMs, and provide a valuable low-CPU fitting but skill-intensive option that shield tanking completely lacks.

Whilst symmetry would also seem to call for a low-powered active armour omni hardener, the principle of making it less good than the shield active omni (ie: the T2 version would be 25% resists) would basically make it no better than the EANM, so it would be pretty pointless. I guess it might be good for people who haven't yet trained the armour comp skills.

Will someone please post a reasonable fit (no officer/deadspace mods, please) that would ever make use of the shield comp skills, if they don't give a bonus to active hardeners?

If a viable one cannot be provided, then one must conclude that CCP will make the shield comp skills worthless.

Ive checked my alli fittings and none of them had any passive shield resist modules none.You can check killboards with same result.

We discussed this again at our morning design meeting today, and we're still of the opinion that this is the correct change to make in this case. Obviously we're keeping an eye on this thread to make sure there isn't something we've missed, but as of today we're still comfortable with the consequences here.


To those asking about patch notes, here's the draft versions from a few weeks ago:

- Active armor hardeners and shield hardeners no longer give a passive resistance bonus when not active
- Armor and shield compensation skills no longer give any bonus to active armor or shield hardeners


To those asking about reimbursement etc: we make balance changes on a fairly regular basis, and we're not generally in the habit of reimbursing skill points except in exceptional circumstances (which this isn't).

Armor reppers can be capped out, ABSs not. Invulns can be capped out, EANMs not. What's the problem?

We discussed this again at our morning design meeting today, and we're still of the opinion that this is the correct change to make in this case. Obviously we're keeping an eye on this thread to make sure there isn't something we've missed, but as of today we're still comfortable with the consequences here.

To those asking about patch notes, here's the draft versions from a few weeks ago:

- Active armor hardeners and shield hardeners no longer give a passive resistance bonus when not active
- Armor and shield compensation skills no longer give any bonus to active armor or shield hardeners

To those asking about reimbursement etc: we make balance changes on a fairly regular basis, and we're not generally in the habit of reimbursing skill points except in exceptional circumstances (which this isn't).

We discussed this again at our morning design meeting today, and we're still of the opinion that this is the correct change to make in this case. Obviously we're keeping an eye on this thread to make sure there isn't something we've missed, but as of today we're still comfortable with the consequences here.


To those asking about patch notes, here's the draft versions from a few weeks ago:

- Active armor hardeners and shield hardeners no longer give a passive resistance bonus when not active
- Armor and shield compensation skills no longer give any bonus to active armor or shield hardeners


To those asking about reimbursement etc: we make balance changes on a fairly regular basis, and we're not generally in the habit of reimbursing skill points except in exceptional circumstances (which this isn't).

Maybe we need a shield version of an EANM?

Now it's "Oh crap I'm capped out my shields are going down"....After the change it's going to be "Oh crap I'm capped out... aaahh I'm in a pod". Without any resists once you get neuted shields are done. I have a feeling after this change neuts will be very common in PVP. I'm soo glad I can armor tank !

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No.

Extra cap warfare vulnerability has always been one of the downsides to shields (at least before the ASB was a thing). If shields need an EANM, then armor needs an invuln, and a SBA, and an XLAR etc etc etc. Then we give shields a XLSE, less cap-hungry reps and so and and so fourth until everything is "balanced".

As it stands this really isn't as much of an issue as you seem to think it is. If you have 2 people shooting each other, one armor and one shield, and they each cap each other out, guess who wins? (hint: it's the one that can still shoot without cap, not the one that still has resists with no cap)

We discussed this again at our morning design meeting today, and we're still of the opinion that this is the correct change to make in this case. Obviously we're keeping an eye on this thread to make sure there isn't something we've missed, but as of today we're still comfortable with the consequences here.


To those asking about patch notes, here's the draft versions from a few weeks ago:

- Active armor hardeners and shield hardeners no longer give a passive resistance bonus when not active
- Armor and shield compensation skills no longer give any bonus to active armor or shield hardeners


To those asking about reimbursement etc: we make balance changes on a fairly regular basis, and we're not generally in the habit of reimbursing skill points except in exceptional circumstances (which this isn't).