Personal attacks do not suffice for logic. Also CCP Xhagen is an adult who speak their own arguments, but thanks for playing. What's more is your an alt for someone very cowardly. If your a CSM member then the CSM is frightfully broken and needs wiser people in the position of guidance.

If its resorted to "Lemon Sorbet" making personal attacks then I think it proves there is no argument. Each CSM member that's trotted out here to argue with me has brought nothing new. They have only rehashed arguments from my original post that I pointed out as flawed. Since then no CCP or CSM member has counter the first arguments raised by my first post. This leads me to believe there has been a confederacy of dunces running the show. Come on show me some intellect, show me logic, prove your argument beyond something I originaly pointed out.

I would actually like to address this as any criminal actions taken would require to CCP to act within both Iceland's and England's privacy laws as well as the country involved's law enforcement integrating that to within their own countries laws. Added on to that the fact that some countries do not have information sharing treaties with Iceland and England.

So it comes down to the defense of people via this two way street is more likely to take forever to legally achieve or not be achievable at all, either leaving the police no suspect as to the crime or worse yet having the entire matter thrown out of court by the police department not following lawful procedures.

I will spell the last bit out easier, A CSM member is attacked, the CSM member tells the police of threatening mails that have occurred within EvE, CCP responds rapidly to the police request for a real name and address. CCP obliges. An arrest is made but anything found after the initial identification is considered poison fruit as it was not done using proper inter-jurisdictional treaties. The case is thrown out of court and the offender then gets to extradite members of CCP for breaches of the privacy act, as there is no urgency.

Or option B the offender dies a happy death of old age waiting for inter-jurisdictional paper work to be done covering 2 (if it occurs in England) or 3+ governments for any where else in the world. Or in the case of Non-treatied countries the police either getting no help from CCP or the help being unlawful.

Oh and of course this relies on the fact that your countries police actually doing anything.

See that is why CCP needs to develop their own drone program. Cuts right through all the red tape. They even have legal justification as well. The events happened on their soil. No other country will help them out. So its time for drone Retribution.

Of course this will require a drone UI and use overhaul

Who needs modular POSes when we could invest those dollars into providing physical protection for CSM members? This drone thing sounds totally awesome, and would work way better than a paper shield or a phone call to the police after harm has been done. But why stop there? Serious investments need to be justified, so we could use them as the new discipline against the CSM as well. Being held responsible as a human being for one's actions through public transparency pales in comparison to TOTALHELLDEATH as a deterrent against CSM misconduct. In this manner CCP's new drone army would add a much-needed dose of risk/reward balancing to the CSM.



This man knows how to negotiate. o7o7

Have you ever considered running for office, Rodyas? You catch on quick.

Who needs modular POSes when we could invest those dollars into providing physical protection for CSM members? This drone thing sounds totally awesome, and would work way better than a paper shield or a phone call to the police after harm has been done. But why stop there? Serious investments need to be justified, so we could use them as the new discipline against the CSM as well. Being held responsible as a human being for one's actions through public transparency pales in comparison to TOTALHELLDEATH as a deterrent against CSM misconduct. In this manner CCP's new drone army would add a much-needed dose of risk/reward balancing to the CSM.



This man knows how to negotiate. o7o7

Have you ever considered running for office, Rodyas? You catch on quick.

So in the face of logic you resort to babbling? I am so glad you got elected to the CSM.

Who needs drones when you have this guy. Perhaps if CCP would add 5% of Scooter McCabe per lvl to my Domi, I would fly more missions once again.

I'm fairly certain he's not "threatening" the CSM here but rather pointing out that having your real name on the line should act as a strong deterrent to gross misconduct.



I mean has this actually ever happened?? CSM members being tracked down and harassed IRL because of a disagreement in policy?

I mean has this actually ever happened?? CSM members being tracked down and harassed IRL because of a disagreement in policy? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the strongest example we have of harassment in recent history is that of Alex G. following the incident at FF, but this was in response to misconduct that had nothing to do with whether The Mittani likes to mine or pew. It is highly unlikely that the media would waste their time and money to call out a CSM member for taking a stance on an in-game political issue....but actions such as harassment, NDA breach, or other things that a -person- does, not a character, carry RL consequences of their own, and its kind of ridiculous that we have built a game around understanding the ramifications of one's actions and yet people are seriously advocating shielding the CSM from risk at the same time.

Just a correction here Hans. People on the CSM *have* been stalked/harassed because their real names were made public. Go google "Prencleeve Grothsmore" for more info. You also might talk to CCP Sreegs, who had someone call his place of employment and try to get him fired for being an internet spaceship bully.

It has happened, it will probably happen again.

If getting a death threat is too much for you to handle, don't run for public office, either in RL or EVE. Comes with the territory.

Okay running with the argument that people with unique last names bear a higher burden of exposure to those with more common names. There is an imbalance here that ought to be addressed. Now what if CCP published the first name and first letter of the last name to answer this problem. You know its a real person representing you, you just look up all their info and know more than you should about them?

Y'know, I'm with Malcanis here. I'd just as soon remain anonymous, but Frying Doom's tasteless predictions are pretty damn unlikely, and I can deal with some crankpot stalkerish crap on its own. Frankly, the exposure would probably do me some good overall - I share a name with a famous harvard professor and a disgraced college athlete, so the bump in google search results ranking could be a benefit.

If people are worried about someone Googling information about them then they should seriously consider not posting pretty much everything about themselves on the internet. I know people that put phone numbers & home addresses on facebook, I know people that basically tell the world every tiny little detail about themselves, but these same people are always worried about what some random person could dig up on them.

I've been using the internet for 17 years now & have managed to make myself extremely difficult to find any information on. It's not hard.

Same but the one that stands out for me is I have a business, so that business is registered, so you can see the details on the internet. Subsequently the business address is also listed. From there it is not hard to find my home address.

Thank you all for a lively discussion on this topic. While I appreciate that this is being discussed, CCP's stance on the matter hasn't changed.

Why you ask? Because the privacy matter is the strongest factor - characters are not running for the CSM, real people are where your character name gives you the EVE reputation (and you can run with whatever character you wish). IF CCP would not publish the RL names and country of residence, it would be implicitly stated that we would keep them a secret.

That we cannot promise.

In fact we would be opening up for potential liability - even though we would go the route of not actually confirming that we would keep that information secret, we would still be implicitly promising something we cannot keep as everyone would be interpret it that way. I'm no lawyer but a liability lawsuit of this nature could have dire consequences for CCP as a company and subsequently EVE (now I'm travelling down a slippery slope, but the consequences MUST be kept in mind).

That is why it was decided to go the much cleaner way of stating that we will disclose this information and leaving the participation in the CSM up to the person who wants to run - they can then make an informed decision. That also allows us to use the CSM, and pictures and names of those members, for PR purposes. Additionally RL laws and protection applies to the people on the CSM and CCP is not making any promises that it cannot keep.

Well can you at least tell us how many kids you hire to produce the burgers/shoes?

Also any tax evasion advice?

(Also any job openings?)

This is important to help me decide whether to vote for you.

I do not hire children, they cost to much in Australia.

As to tax evasion, again this is Australia and with a business all you ever need to do is show a loss and there is no tax.

But nope no job openings sorry

If people are worried about someone Googling information about them then they should seriously consider not posting pretty much everything about themselves on the internet. I know people that put phone numbers & home addresses on facebook, I know people that basically tell the world every tiny little detail about themselves, but these same people are always worried about what some random person could dig up on them.

I've been using the internet for 17 years now & have managed to make myself extremely difficult to find any information on. It's not hard.

If people are worried about someone Googling information about them then they should seriously consider not posting pretty much everything about themselves on the internet.

I'm pretty sure you won't need to hire body guards unless you start stealing titans or giving speeches at the summit advocating for more money in CCP's Incarna Fashion budget.

If you, dear reader, want to be on CSM and are not prepared to have your real identity discovered, perhaps you could arrange to field a sock puppet candidate?