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Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:22:00 -
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Them are good at being bad. |
Doomhammar
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.02.01 07:10:00 -
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well. i've really optimized my fit for brawler-sleipnir. question is - hwo siginifecent is the tracking between 220 to 425. i mean what i can hit with 220 that i can't hit with 425? or i simply put more DPS since i can track faster or ..what? |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
196
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Posted - 2013.02.01 11:34:00 -
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Doomhammar wrote:well. i've really optimized my fit for brawler-sleipnir. question is - hwo siginifecent is the tracking between 220 to 425. i mean what i can hit with 220 that i can't hit with 425? or i simply put more DPS since i can track faster or ..what?
Honestly, bigger guns means more range, which capitalizes on the Sleip's own set of bonus.
I think most people prioritizes the tank they feel comfortable with, then fit the biggest rack of guns they can fit.
I like my 425mm's, so I fit the guns first and make do with a single X-ASB fit + resistances.
The good thing about the Sleipnir is that while the price tag might make it seem like a nice candidate for primary calling, in any Cruiser/BC gang it will be probably left for dessert and other ships will be killed before it. Things with comparable DPS but squishier :P |
Mister Tuggles
Prime Numbers
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:20:00 -
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I have been a bigger fan of active tanking the Sleip.
No booster of course:
XL-Shield boost + HG Crystals = 1786 dps tank. Add blue pill for even more **all 5's** 220's + barrage = 766dps. No implants, no drones, and cold **all 5's** |
Glathull
Suicidal Panda Tears of Love and Death
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:42:00 -
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You know, I don't think I've ever seen this many people agree on anything in these forums. Just curious, if the Sleipnir is as awesome as all of you are saying, why doesn't everyone a) fly them constantly, and b) ***** about how overpowered they are? To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. ~CCP Fozzie |
Rajere
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.02.02 05:26:00 -
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what do you mean, people don't fly them constantly? 7th most popular ship for us. People don't complain about them being overpowered because they aren't. They are both expensive and skill intensive to fly well. cost wise the hulls are comparable to T3 cruisers, which are much easier to train for and thus more popular.
Sleipnirs are the most popular command ship, which is itself not a very popular ship class, for the above reasons.
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goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
176
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Posted - 2013.02.02 06:16:00 -
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I usually fly with a couple friends, they tend to bring the point and I provide links to augment that,
Tanks acording to HQF; 1738 DPS Damage output by HQF; 938 DPS Speed W/MWD: 1,222 m/s 9 minutes till the cap is dry.
[Sleipnir, Mercun]
7x 425mm AutoCannon II (Hail M) Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers II
2x Large Ancillary Shield Booster (Navy Cap Booster 150) Gistum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Republic Fleet 10MN Microwarpdrive Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Damage Control II 3x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Projectile Locus Coordinator II
Cant imagine fighting in anything else, :) well almost anything else.
Oh almost forgot ASB tip always overheat, tank with heat is 2,537 DPS Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced-á (But-áI still try..) |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
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Posted - 2013.02.02 09:41:00 -
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Glathull wrote:You know, I don't think I've ever seen this many people agree on anything in these forums. Just curious, if the Sleipnir is as awesome as all of you are saying, why doesn't everyone a) fly them constantly, and b) ***** about how overpowered they are?
People DO fly it constantly...compared to other Command Ships. You see them all the time.
However, you have to take two things into consideration:
1) It's not a newbie ship, as it is pretty skill intensive. 2) Price tag of hull and popular modules similar to fitted Faction Battleship. Not cheap. 3) It's just a super-Cyclone with a damage and a falloff bonus (25% and 50%). Most of the time, a Cyclone will be enough and losing one doesn't matter nearly as much. |
goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
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Posted - 2013.02.02 10:22:00 -
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Darius Brinn wrote:Glathull wrote:You know, I don't think I've ever seen this many people agree on anything in these forums. Just curious, if the Sleipnir is as awesome as all of you are saying, why doesn't everyone a) fly them constantly, and b) ***** about how overpowered they are? People DO fly it constantly...compared to other Command Ships. You see them all the time. However, you have to take two things into consideration: 1) It's not a newbie ship, as it is pretty skill intensive. 2) Price tag of hull and popular modules similar to fitted Faction Battleship. Not cheap. 3) It's just a super-Cyclone with a damage and a falloff bonus (25% and 50%). Most of the time, a Cyclone will be enough and losing one doesn't matter nearly as much.
For example a new toon to sitting in it, 200 days give or take to max command ships, medium guns shield skills and evasive manuvering will probally be another 90 to 100 days. makes for a rather focus training plan. Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced-á (But-áI still try..) |
Freyja Asynjur
Folkvangr Unknown Phenomena
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Posted - 2013.02.02 11:24:00 -
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Glathull wrote:You know, I don't think I've ever seen this many people agree on anything in these forums. Just curious, if the Sleipnir is as awesome as all of you are saying, why doesn't everyone a) fly them constantly, and b) ***** about how overpowered they are?
Sleipnir is not OP, it's a CS, and CS are at the very top of the food chain in the subcap land (ie, above BS)
A Sleipnir can hold the field against any other subcap in a 1vs1 brawl fight, bar maybe a Vindicator. And it can hold the field against a dozen ships. Its awesomeness is legendary
It's a very demanding ship: lots of skills just to fly it, and imho, to reduce cap leakage (cap being its main weakness) , and it really only shine with a crystal implant set and booster. To recap, great niche ship with a very high price tag.
Talking about CS, Absolution and Claymore are equal to the Sleipnir performance-wise, but with traits that make them less suitable in some situations (Abso can't switch damage type, but is way cheaper to bring to shiny levels; Claymore has less DPS (raw and range), but has even more tank than the Sleipnir, and/or fits a web) https://twitter.com/folkvangrcorp GÇö Freyja's space log. |
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Leetha Layne
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Posted - 2013.02.03 00:49:00 -
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Sure hope they don't do to it what they are planning with the Cyclone! |
Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
322
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:57:00 -
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Leetha Layne wrote:Sure hope they don't do to it what they are planning with the Cyclone!
I'm not sure i'd really care. As long as the give it a double 5% damage bonus and missile velocity bonus (and more CPU to reflect it being a shield tanking missile boat) we can basically use it like we use it now, except we wont loose dps to tracking at close range.
In regards to a few questions:
1) If its awesome, why does no one fly it? a) They do fly it, but it's not a nano-ship, nor is it viable to use a 100mn AB on (agility sucks or speed sucks or DPS suck or tank sucks and sig is huge) so it is for all intents and purposes a brawler. Brawling is situational and means you are committed to a fight. If a blob lands on the other side of the gate, then you are committed to being killed.
2) Faction versus dual-ASB. a) Sorry, dual ASB always wins. You have to run a cap booster constantly to sustain a LSB tank, and with an X-LSB you can't run it permanently... so like it or not, you are still burst tanking, and even with the best module management in the world, you are still cap reliant.
With my skills on the fit i posted + Blue pill + LG Crystals (which are cheap atm), i tank 1850 DPS with 1 ASB overheated (which is normal) and 2000dps with the LSE II overheated. If i turn on the other booster thats 4000 DPS burst tank. i couold drop a few hundred DPS tank and get another gyrostab on it, but it's preference.
I've 1v1'd a vindicator with it and tanked him til i ran out of cap boosters. Remote rep was the only thing stopping him dieing, which was quickly realized and allowed me to de-agress.
Sleipnir costs less than a pirate cruiser and has such amazing fitting that you don't NEED to faction fit it... so realistically it's a T2/Meta4 fit ship that can tank and kill faction fit pirate ships through a combination of strengths without any massive weakness (admittedly with no best-in-class traits either).
If minmatar are going to be the 'jack of all trades' then this ship is the template on how to achieve it. Rifter/Stabber are NOT. |
Alexander Sinclair
Space Exploitation Inc Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:17:00 -
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Leetha Layne wrote:Sure hope they don't do to it what they are planning with the Cyclone!
Tech 2 Ships (I just checked the Caldari CS's in comparison to the Ferox) don't always have same tech 1 bonus as there tech 1 ship. |
Doomhammar
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
10
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Posted - 2013.02.03 14:11:00 -
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TY for everyone contributing to the discussion, that gave me 2 kills as of this moment with a sleipnir, hopefully that result will improve dramatically. one thing i'm not yet closed on is this - 425's or 220? warp distruptor or warp scram? DPS certainly rocks in 425 and so is range. and i'm incline to remain in that due to the sleipnir setup(bought it with tech2 ancilliary router, waste to let that go). |
Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
322
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Posted - 2013.02.03 14:41:00 -
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Doomhammar wrote:TY for everyone contributing to the discussion, that gave me 2 kills as of this moment with a sleipnir, hopefully that result will improve dramatically. one thing i'm not yet closed on is this - 425's or 220? warp distruptor or warp scram? DPS certainly rocks in 425 and so is range. and i'm incline to remain in that due to the sleipnir setup(bought it with tech2 ancilliary router, waste to let that go).
Without a web you really should think about a scram. a 24km point isn't going to help if something is faster than you - it's best to have the option of shutting of an MWD if you get close. 24km points are for people who kite generally, a scram will server you better imo. |
Doomhammar
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.02.03 15:52:00 -
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But can i stick with 425, or its preferable to downgrade to 220? |
Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
322
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Posted - 2013.02.03 16:28:00 -
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Doomhammar wrote:But can i stick with 425, or its preferable to downgrade to 220?
There is no right answer. Although generally i think i'd prefer 220's and a medium neut to get pesky AB frigates if i get caught off-gate/station.
That doesnt mean i wouldnt take 425's and a neut if i could manage it. |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
198
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Posted - 2013.02.04 09:08:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Doomhammar wrote:But can i stick with 425, or its preferable to downgrade to 220? There is no right answer. Although generally i think i'd prefer 220's and a medium neut to get pesky AB frigates if i get caught off-gate/station. That doesnt mean i wouldnt take 425's and a neut if i could manage it.
I fit 425mm's and a medium neut. But, as I said, I go for single X-ASB and double invul + anti-kinetic rig.
I don't fly this thing solo, so I don't "overbrick" it and use its reputation as a sort of tank, too Never gets primaried. |
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
188
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:50:00 -
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Sala Kyss wrote:The sleipnir is a point blank to mid range brawler. It can move amazingly fast, pumps out around 650-700 DPS, and has a tank that would make every other BC jealous
Auto's on it with ASB's and you can wreck pretty much everything. Obviously you can't out-snipe them, but put your sleip at point blank range on any of the t3 bc hulls and they're ******. Their tank vs sleip's tank, and their dps vs sleip's dps, the sleip will win every time
ASB's are amazing with the sleip's bonus, use them. ^^ This, and why am i not surprised this assinine statement that sleips are bad came from a GA member, seriously leave your corp/alliance and join people that can be of help rather than a hinderance. -áVote for Malcanis for CSM8 |
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