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ATRADE
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Posted - 2005.07.10 10:05:00 -
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so im quite ****ed by this. whilst my income gets cut ym assets lose worth (and i mainly have invested all my isk in assets such as ships etc) the people who saved bilions pre patch now gets a increase in buyingpower big time. this extremely ****es me. this is the most unfair thing cpp has ever done.
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.07.10 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: ErrorS on 10/07/2005 10:09:16
why did your assets lose worth?
edit: oh nevermind, i get it.. i should sleep
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.07.10 10:10:00 -
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Can you give us some examples of deflation that you have run across so far?
Do you think it's the deregionalization of the markets that caused this? Or perhaps its level 4 mission rewards being cut?
Expanding on your concerns may make them understandable
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.07.10 10:10:00 -
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oh .. and don't worry about the billionares.. they have frieghters, dreadnaughts and outposts to spend their isk on.
Trust me.. if you have 1b+ in your wallet right now you expect to spend it on a freighter or dreadnaught.
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I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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ATRADE
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Posted - 2005.07.10 10:29:00 -
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 Originally by: ErrorS
Edited by: ErrorS on 10/07/2005 10:09:16
why did your assets lose worth?
edit: oh nevermind, i get it.. i should sleep
cause if we earn less money we cand spend much money so the manufacturers have to adjust and sell items for less isk that means i also cant resell my equippment for the same amount i bought them.
the deflation will be caused in cutting mission rewards. cut bounties. deregionalize markets (more traveling less isk/h) so at the end more work for all of us for les isk = less money to spend.
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ATRADE
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Posted - 2005.07.10 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Can you give us some examples of deflation that you have run across so far?
Do you think it's the deregionalization of the markets that caused this? Or perhaps its level 4 mission rewards being cut?
Expanding on your concerns may make them understandable
deflation i s not a quick process it will occur over the next couple of months if it does (at all).
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.07.10 10:35:00 -
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yeah, after thinking about it I saw that you were right.
Sell now and hold onto the isk. Assets are riskier then straight cash anywhere.
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I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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Kunming
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Posted - 2005.07.10 10:38:00 -
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Ppl were practically printing ISK in empire; now you have to travel around abit, group up, maybe put up to the local pirates once in a while.
As for the billioners, what Errors said. The billions spend on dread/freighter/component BPOs all go to NPC and dont return back into the system. With so many billions gone, your ISK actually gains more value.
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ATRADE
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Posted - 2005.07.10 10:56:00 -
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yeah but that does put us on unequal steps. billionairs getting richer without doing anything! this has to be stopped with introducing progressive wealth taxes. there is no other way. otherwise you degrading 90% of the eve players.
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ATRADE
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Posted - 2005.07.10 10:59:00 -
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also i completely do not agree that peopl ewill buy dreads and freighters with theyr bilions. there are alot of tech II bpo milionairs out there not belonging to a corporation who isd actually in need of freighters or a dread.
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.07.10 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: ATRADE
yeah but that does put us on unequal steps. billionairs getting richer without doing anything! this has to be stopped with introducing progressive wealth taxes. there is no other way. otherwise you degrading 90% of the eve players.
Socialism = Bad
Some nice isk sinks = good.
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Rafein
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Posted - 2005.07.10 11:02:00 -
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I'm a miner, and I don;t see deflation at all.
quickly inflated mineral prices.
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ATRADE
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Posted - 2005.07.10 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Originally by: ATRADE
yeah but that does put us on unequal steps. billionairs getting richer without doing anything! this has to be stopped with introducing progressive wealth taxes. there is no other way. otherwise you degrading 90% of the eve players.
Socialism = Bad
Some nice isk sinks = good.
so sergant whats the benefit of a isk sink except making money worth more especially for people actually/allready having it?
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.07.10 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: ATRADE
yeah but that does put us on unequal steps. billionairs getting richer without doing anything! this has to be stopped with introducing progressive wealth taxes. there is no other way. otherwise you degrading 90% of the eve players.
How do they get richer without doing anything?
They have to buy components, rent factories, maufacture items, move them to market etc etc
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.07.10 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: ATRADE
yeah but that does put us on unequal steps. billionairs getting richer without doing anything! this has to be stopped with introducing progressive wealth taxes. there is no other way. otherwise you degrading 90% of the eve players.
How do they get richer without doing anything?
They have to buy components, rent factories, maufacture items, move them to market etc etc
And compete with a tonne of other manufacturers who are striving to put them out of buissiness
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ATRADE
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Posted - 2005.07.10 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: ATRADE on 10/07/2005 11:21:00
is this so hard to understand? if you take out money of a system, money gets more rare so it has higher buying powers. so a industrialist with 3 bilions can now buy stuff worth for 6 bilions cause if you take out money of a economy prices must fall so people can still afford to buy the products. so he can buy more with the same amount of isk. this means people with alot of money in theyre wallets gaining a advantage oever other people without doing anything for it.
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Trak Cranker
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Posted - 2005.07.10 11:39:00 -
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Well, if they had so many ISK in their pockets prepatch too, then they were loosing money.
Can't remember seeing anyone complaining that your assets got worth more while their ISK pile got worth less, prepatch?
The buying power of isk is still the same relatively between players. Wealthy vs. Poor has nothing to do with it. If the guy with 6 billions doubles his buying power, so does the guy with 6 isk.
Assets vs. ISK on the other hand has. And that balance is a gamble. And you just lost, because you didn't interpret all the information you were given _prepatch_ correctly.
To call it unfair on the side of CCP is as childish as it comes.
And on top of that, as someone else pointed out, the market will not move to show this trend right away, so whats the problem? Liquify.
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Sam Trip
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Posted - 2005.07.10 11:46:00 -
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erm...ok so their's defalation...sucks to be you then.
I'm not amazingly rich and i'm not weird enough to kit my ships with modules worth more than itself.
The biggest note of deflation can be seen in the missile modules where my arbalests sell for 40-50 mill now...balls. However my primary expenditure being deimos's and eagles will still stay standing. But in game i know people who can cut deals and will give me discounts for being a nice guy so that works still.
The economy in EVE is not just who was money and who doesn't. You gotta make your connections too as well as i'm sure most people reading this will have particular people in mind for a particular module when required or have at least had that.
To be honest people who have been economically wise and have stocked up on ISK for a time where prices drop then my hats off to them for being patient on buying their kitout. Some people save some people dont. Some people learn how to make isk the others just chug on by.
The same could be said if inflation suddenly hit. Lets take those arbalests again...If for some reason they all disappeared they'd probs hit the 80 mill mark again. thats almost double what it is now. I'd be super dupery rich HOWEVER...all those who have been stocking up to buy a set will notice that their wallets have had their "worth" slashed in half so they're 3 bill is now 1.5bill yet mission runners will be able to adapt by just getting more modules.
It works both ways. Inflation hits the people with wallets the size of a planet...Deflation hits people with wallets the size of your back pocket.
This just happens to be a really good time to be rich. And if you aren't clever enough to adapt to the economy then your a victim of it.
P.S. I'll give you a hint...Ravens going down...Tempests and Megas going high
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2005.07.10 11:57:00 -
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money isn't everything. if you're so obsessed with others having more than you how can you enjoy the game at all? same goes for rl by the way.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2005.07.10 12:45:00 -
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solution is simple. Release cap recharger 2 bpos on market.
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.07.10 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: ATRADE
Originally by: ErrorS
Edited by: ErrorS on 10/07/2005 10:09:16
why did your assets lose worth?
edit: oh nevermind, i get it.. i should sleep
cause if we earn less money we cand spend much money so the manufacturers have to adjust and sell items for less isk that means i also cant resell my equippment for the same amount i bought them.
the deflation will be caused in cutting mission rewards. cut bounties. deregionalize markets (more traveling less isk/h) so at the end more work for all of us for les isk = less money to spend.
Sorry to disagree with you but here is how it stands.
As a manufacturer under the old system 90% of the products that I made (dont' make t2) I had to sell at a price so close to cost it was barely worth it. Why?
2 reasons why if you ask me.
1. To many people manufacturing and not enough demand.
2. Rats simply drop to many items and people sell what they get off rats wanting a sell for quick cash so they dump them on the market at the lowest price on the market. They don't care what it takes to make an item cause they didn't make them.
Now the less isk part I believe is true but that is another subject. I will have less isk cause it is taking me 5 times longer to move items in and around where I need them. What this is gonna cause me to do is either no longer sell certain items or raise the price (of which I still will not be able to do due to rat drops)
It is very complicated once you get into it. Def not cut and dry. The removal of the highway system is not going to make regional market suddely appear as many think it will just mean more travel for most.
Although small vendors will pop up in various places selling things people just don't want to travel for.
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Razor Jaxx
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Posted - 2005.07.10 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Luc Boye
solution is simple. Release cap recharger 2 bpos on market.
Actually, I think T2 bpo's should be like patents. They should be widely released on the NPC market 3/4 months after being distributed through agents.
The original bpo holders would still have a 'grace' period during which they could make quite a bundle, with their customers being those people that like to acquire the newer items as soon as they're available.
The closer you'd get to global market release, the less the value of the original bpo, thus voiding the insane creation of wealth that is currently at the core of the T2 bpo issue.
Would be a fair balance imo.
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Ashay
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Posted - 2005.07.10 14:09:00 -
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"Cry More Noob" ... the softest choice in tissue paper.
Cold War is/was the Best Patch eva!
News Flash: We all knew the highway removal was coming. Some people stockpiled cash instead of assets, and may be reaping the benefit of that decision! Good F**king choice for them! YOU HAD THE OPTION TO LIQUIDATE AND STOCKPILE CASH AS WELL! Here, have a tissue.
"Oh noes! I pay the same amount every month - how come some people are richer then me?? <sniff sniff> Life is so unfair - everyone should have the same amount of ISK all the time - it should be communal ISK - boo hoo - boo hoo!" .... <BOOT TO THE HEAD!>
CCP: Don't compromise!!!!! You have a winning game, and a winning patch. You know it, we know it. Noobs whining after a change is what noobs do! Don't compromise!
This game r0x0rs!
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Oveur
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Posted - 2005.07.10 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: ATRADE
so im quite ****ed by this. whilst my income gets cut ym assets lose worth (and i mainly have invested all my isk in assets such as ships etc) the people who saved bilions pre patch now gets a increase in buyingpower big time. this extremely ****es me. this is the most unfair thing cpp has ever done.
Deflation? 
I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
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Gerome Doutrande
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Posted - 2005.07.10 14:35:00 -
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wtb all market data, 500 isk 
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2005.07.10 14:37:00 -
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/me offers 505 ISK
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Fortior
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Posted - 2005.07.10 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: ATRADE
so im quite ****ed by this. whilst my income gets cut ym assets lose worth (and i mainly have invested all my isk in assets such as ships etc) the people who saved bilions pre patch now gets a increase in buyingpower big time. this extremely ****es me. this is the most unfair thing cpp has ever done.
Deflation?
I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
Dammit Oveur, go home! This is a sunday, as in no-work day 
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Oveur
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Posted - 2005.07.10 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Fortior
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: ATRADE
so im quite ****ed by this. whilst my income gets cut ym assets lose worth (and i mainly have invested all my isk in assets such as ships etc) the people who saved bilions pre patch now gets a increase in buyingpower big time. this extremely ****es me. this is the most unfair thing cpp has ever done.
Deflation?
I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
Dammit Oveur, go home! This is a sunday, as in no-work day
Actually, I'm on summer vacation. I guess that makes me an addict in a number of things 
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.07.10 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: ATRADE
so im quite ****ed by this. whilst my income gets cut ym assets lose worth (and i mainly have invested all my isk in assets such as ships etc) the people who saved bilions pre patch now gets a increase in buyingpower big time. this extremely ****es me. this is the most unfair thing cpp has ever done.
Deflation?
I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
interesting..... Not shocking, but interesting. I'd figured the added isk sinks might take enough isk out of the economy to get some modest deflation (not an entirely bad thing, especially in moderation....)
We need a few more isk sinks then.....
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RatBoy Deblade
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Posted - 2005.07.10 15:09:00 -
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Like t2 dreadys?
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