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The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.11 00:56:00 -
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Something Kitty Mckitty said in another post got me thinking.... Yeah, yeah. I know. Don't think etc.....
Buuut, there's been a lot of talk over time, some for just plain old lols, about buying SP's etc. in game... Obviously buying SP's is akin to gold ammo imho and would be abused out of proportion. It's a pretty clear "no fn way!" from me.
I wonder though if the idea of redistribution of SP's has ever been discussed?
SP's to a player are a very valuable commodity, i..e. try buying a high SP char through the Bazaar.
Would it be in the games best interest to allow a redistribution of SP's for the individual every 30 days (for arguments sake). A little bit like attributes every 12 months but make it more much dynamic for players, specifically PvP'ers, FC's, alliance needs etc...
Would this be a suweeet option for you? Imagine, today I could fly HACS, tomorrow I could fly a Hulk (choke).....
- Would there be ramifications to Eve? If so, what would they be?
- Would you benefit from/enjoy such an option?
Box.....
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
12
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Posted - 2011.10.11 00:58:00 -
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Pointless, worthless troll thread. 0/10
I miss Tom Gerard, at least his rants were funny. |
mkint
127
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Posted - 2011.10.11 00:59:00 -
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Would only be acceptable if 50% of all redistributed skillpoints were permanently destroyed.
Otherwise I'd be able to buy a massive industry toon, turn it into a titan pilot, blow up your sov, turn it into an outpost building toon, build an outpost, then max it out to do whatever I want next. You'd have virtually infinite SP, and have no purpose to rely on anyone else for anything, ever again. |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:01:00 -
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Please stop posting. |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:02:00 -
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Please stop posting. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
220
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:02:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Pointless, worthless troll thread. 0/10
I miss Tom Gerard, at least his rants were funny.
It ain't a troll and I really don't care for your tone. -50 internets for you!
I used to think FA dudes were kinda cool..... Recruit standards must have slipped.
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
74
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:03:00 -
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Zirse wrote:Please stop posting.
please stop double posting
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:04:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Pointless, worthless troll thread. 0/10
I miss Tom Gerard, at least his rants were funny.
what do you expect from The Apostle?
Might as well expect a good thread from Mittani
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
220
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:04:00 -
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mkint wrote:Would only be acceptable if 50% of all redistributed skillpoints were permanently destroyed.
Otherwise I'd be able to buy a massive industry toon, turn it into a titan pilot, blow up your sov, turn it into an outpost building toon, build an outpost, then max it out to do whatever I want next. You'd have virtually infinite SP, and have no purpose to rely on anyone else for anything, ever again.
Hey dude, read my post, that would take ya 90 days. 
EDIT: In fact, you could buy 3 toons and do it all in one day...... I can see the headlines. LONE Titan pilot captures a slice of FA space and builds an outpost.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
220
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:10:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Pointless, worthless troll thread. 0/10
I miss Tom Gerard, at least his rants were funny. what do you expect from The Apostle? Might as well expect a good thread from Mittani
Pfft.... I spell better and capitalize.
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
173
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:16:00 -
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It would just cause people to FOTM chase every time their timer is up. Its a bad idea and would be horrible to the game.
Though I wouldn't mind having Mining 1 removed. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
34
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:17:00 -
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Skill reimburstment should ONLY be made available WHEN SKILLS ARE ENTIRELY REMOVED. |
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:21:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:It would just cause people to FOTM chase every time their timer is up. Its a bad idea and would be horrible to the game.
Though I wouldn't mind having Mining 1 removed.
This
Nova Fox wrote:Skill reimburstment should ONLY be made available WHEN SKILLS ARE ENTIRELY REMOVED.
and that
Also, I don't know how what I posted got him thinking about frequent SP reimbursments since what I was saying was just because a feature (like caps & supers) gets a rebalance does not mean it's reasonable to expect a SP redistribution simply because you do not like being FOTM any more.
At any rate it's been discussed to death and the 2 arguments are:
a.) Lol awesome, I pay money I should be allowed to do this
b.) This is dumb, encourages fotm chasing and makes a mockery of nurturing your character into a unique and beautiful snowflake..
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
220
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:23:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Skill reimburstment should ONLY be made available WHEN SKILLS ARE ENTIRELY REMOVED.
Reimbursement != Redistribution
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
174
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:25:00 -
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It would also allow players to do say max perc/will and only train those skills. Then "respecing" their SP to a more balance skill set, that otherwise would have taken longer/used up remaps to achieve. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
34
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:26:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Skill reimburstment should ONLY be made available WHEN SKILLS ARE ENTIRELY REMOVED. Reimbursement != Redistribution
Actually from CCP's point of veiw it has been so far. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
220
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:30:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:It would just cause people to FOTM chase every time their timer is up. Its a bad idea and would be horrible to the game.
Though I wouldn't mind having Mining 1 removed.
Yeah, I get the FOTM thing. But why would it be horrible to the game?
I mean firstly, using Kitty's hypothesis about making "beautiful people", then you simply wouldn't use your remap so that's a non-event
I just can't see why me changing my skills around occasionally would or should affect you. The number of SP's wouldn't change and I'm not advocating buying SP's so no advantage there.
Is it because you expect the logi pilot you saw in your last fight to remain a logi pilot? So he turns up in a HAC instead. What of it?
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Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
31
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:32:00 -
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This is always an interesting debate. On the one hand a character must have something unique in order for the player to identify to it and on the other hand, since MMOs are an accelerated alternate universe aimed at people with limited time, the characters can't be too static.
However, seeing how central the skill learning system is to the EVE experience, I would have to say that I believe that static SP is the ultimate element of strategy in the game and should remain extremely consequential.
"It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say."
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Burtzum
Pacific Mining and Manufacturing Co-operative
Nox Draconum
0
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Posted - 2011.10.11 02:12:00 -
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EVE its too vast for a new player to grasp fully and know where they want to go. EVE takes a long time to make any progress in. People change over time, interests change. Practiced skills continue to grow, new interests take root, and old hobbies fade away. I'd be cool with a once a year redistribution of SP. If there is an overwhelming trend to flocking to FTM, it just means CCP failed at balancing things properly. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.11 02:21:00 -
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Burtzum wrote:EVE its too vast for a new player to grasp fully and know where they want to go. EVE takes a long time to make any progress in. People change over time, interests change. Practiced skills continue to grow, new interests take root, and old hobbies fade away. I'd be cool with a once a year redistribution of SP. If there is an overwhelming trend to flocking to flavor of the month, it just means CCP failed at balancing things properly.
FOTM, as much as it's a oft used terminology, happens anyway. Fleet doctrine on ops is sooooo FOTM and changes regularly .
From this, imagine fleet fights! You expect Alliance X to turn up with a drake blob and they show up in armoured canes... woot, surpise!!
A well co-ordinated alliance could really have fun with this as a concept.
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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
320
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Posted - 2011.10.11 02:29:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:A well co-ordinated alliance could really have fun with this as a concept.
A well co-ordinated XXXXXXX could really have max skilled ships on demand despite a deficit of skillpoints making a mockery of specialising or diversifyling.
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
4
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Posted - 2011.10.11 02:54:00 -
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If they allowed you to basically revamp your toon every 90 days, this game would be no better than WoW. And we all know how lame that turd of a game is.
Sometimes in life, you have to live with the choices you've already made. EVE should be no different than that.
Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.
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Digital Messiah
N7 Corporation
40
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Posted - 2011.10.11 03:02:00 -
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Because I had a well thought out post that was deleted, I am not quite flustered  . So here is a short version of it... By the way CCP I hope you read this. Why does the new forum eat threads when you could simply go back to your post in the old ones? Yours truly, an avid forum lurker.
1. Redistribution should be attached to remaps.
2. You can only redistribute skill points that share the same primary and secondary into each other.
3. The amount of skill points that can be redistributed per remap should be limited to something like. 10% of the average amount of skill points all players are able to receive with none or +5 implants. 2,168,100 is what I came up with. My math might be very off, as it often is...
So long as CCP doesn't sell remaps I can see this as being fair. To all of those who wish to stay unique snow flakes. "Which just means everyone has a slightly different amount of sp in industry they don't want." Than I can agree with you to. I am just trying to put an idea forward that is slightly rational.
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
139
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Posted - 2011.10.11 03:45:00 -
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the only way this would work is if 50% of the SP u redistribute is lost... so you can change 2mil in industry skills to 1mil in gunnery. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
149
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Posted - 2011.10.11 06:58:00 -
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**** thread |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
26
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:15:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Something Kitty Mckitty said in another post got me thinking.... Yeah, yeah. I know. Don't think etc.....
Buuut, there's been a lot of talk over time, some for just plain old lols, about buying SP's etc. in game... Obviously buying SP's is akin to gold ammo imho and would be abused out of proportion. It's a pretty clear "no fn way!" from me.
I wonder though if the idea of redistribution of SP's has ever been discussed?
SP's to a player are a very valuable commodity, i..e. try buying a high SP char through the Bazaar.
Would it be in the games best interest to allow a redistribution of SP's for the individual every 30 days (for arguments sake). A little bit like attributes every 12 months but make it more much dynamic for players, specifically PvP'ers, FC's, alliance needs etc...
Would this be a suweeet option for you? Imagine, today I could fly HACS, tomorrow I could fly a Hulk (choke).....
- Would there be ramifications to Eve? If so, what would they be?
- Would you benefit from/enjoy such an option?
Box.....
CCP would never allow it as the reason that a lot of players play is because they are waiting for there skills to finish and there next ship to become active. if you allowed Distribution then everyone could try every ship pretty quickly and a large part of the player base would disappear once everything had been flown. |
Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
16
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:19:00 -
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I'm giving this a 5/10 because the timing is good, with all the supercap pro-elite pvpers whining about their "worthless ships". |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
221
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:31:00 -
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Moved from "EVE General Discussion".
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
446
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Posted - 2011.10.11 09:26:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Yeah, I get the FOTM thing. But why would it be horrible to the game? It removes the point of having skills to begin with.
It removes the point of having attributes.
It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups.
It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character.
It removes planning and choice and consequences.
It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas.
It kills character trading.
It massively boosts older characters over new ones.
It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
233
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Posted - 2011.10.11 09:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The Apostle wrote:Yeah, I get the FOTM thing. But why would it be horrible to the game? It removes the point of having skills to begin with. It removes the point of having attributes. It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups. It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character. It removes planning and choice and consequences. It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas. It kills character trading. It massively boosts older characters over new ones. It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.
Gosh darn it.
Now you posted, no point continuing. I've only got 50 more years to live and I ain't quoting my life away...
Ciaou baby.
/terminated
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