Here is a link to my video of my guys undocking.
Hope you like it.
Or hate it.

My Guys undocking. Almost all of them.
http://youtu.be/pAoaW0vyKR8


And here is the older video once again of popping and ice roid. Yes it can be done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc1D6cQjekk

Fly Safe friends..

For love of smartbombs...

I can't believe this is allowed .....

I can't believe this is allowed .....

One question: Why?

Why 100 miners? Most people have 4-6, why do you need soo much isk? What do you spend isk on? Is playing EVE enjoyable for you?

Becouse I want to see how far I can push it. Just how many accounts can I get to run on 1 computer and on my 6mb/1mb DSL connection and still be able to watch netflix.
Good job CCP.

This would be awesomesauce if you had a thousand people. 100 is a pretty boring number.

So if the goal is to get all these miners running then watch netflix, what is the purpose of the miners? Clearly to farm isk, but what do you farm isk for?

How do you control them all?
What are your system specs to run such a number of characters?
Any good tips to an aspiring large-scale multiboxer?

The best tip is to use and SSD drive.. Those are so fast on one of my computers when I was maxed at 16 accounts I was able to get up to 30 with just the SSD drive.
Also to cut down on lag on all the clients. Switch to Map view of the Solar system that saves allot and they run allot smother then.

To Pay for Plexs and ships I like to fly.
We all play our own way. That is the nice thing about this game. It is also fun to help out friends when they need help.

How long does it take to log in all those toons?

So is 30 the most you got to run on a single PC?

I do all that with 2 accounts, you just seem to be creating a ton of work for yourself and then trying to convince yourself you enjoy it.

About 45 min total. to get them all loged in and fleeted.. I have allot of what I do as hot keys on a Logitec game pad.
All computers are running synergy for the Keyboard and mouse so it is like multimonitors on one computer. Just move my mouse to the screen I want to control..

I do not stack the eve icons so I just go accross the tool bar to bring them all up on the screen. All laid out the same do what I need to one then use the WindowsKey down arrow I have mapped to game pad to minize that window and repeat.
Makes going though all the guys so much easier.

Not the best way for PVP but for Mining ice it is ever nice.

I am just someone that loves to multitask. More then other people.

This is honestly the first time I've considered taking up suicide ganking.

Well yes.. But that is only a dual core 1.6GHz with 8GB of Ram and a 2GB video card. If I use my main computer I can do more but I have my clients on there set for max graphics..

Why would it not be allowed. Look at what CCP makes. Plex's are not seeded in the game someone had to pay real money for them. So CCP makes about $20,000 a year off me alone. Why would they not allow that?

Shows video of massive mining fleet undocking to prove hes not a botter....shows no proof of hardware beyond what is typed on screen.

I can take a vidoe of the Jita undock and type whatever I want on the video...and I guess we will all just have to believe that all of Jita is just me controlling 450+ accounts.

I dunno... yah I use PLEX too but you would think this would hurt the quality of the game itself, you know? If the golden goose gets sick it'll lay fewer eggs... that would be my thinking. I mean, I get your contribution to CCPs bottom line... but I'm thinking long term vs incidental does it make sense... that I don't know.

That's very impressive. I assume you were using the SSD as a pagefile?
How are framerates with that setup? What would you say is the biggest bottleneck after RAM: CPU, or GPU?

I wonder two things: (1) how many hours a month do you spend in-game running this fleet; and (2) how much did you spend training up 100 characters and fitting out 100 Hulks before this atrocity became self-sustaining?

About 45 min total.

No no no. You don't get it. Goons are destroying the game! This guy is just a miner. He doesn't hurt anyone.

Shows video of massive mining fleet undocking to prove hes not a botter....shows no proof of hardware beyond what is typed on screen.

I can take a vidoe of the Jita undock and type whatever I want on the video...and I guess we will all just have to believe that all of Jita is just me controlling 450+ accounts.

41 accounts...takes about 10 minutes. You are doing something wrong.

Holy gankbait, batman!
Somewhere, a belt is about to die.


Heh. All true. Still an impressive freight train of barges.
James 315 must be spinning like a top.

just another casual highsec player mining up cash and not afftectin anyone else's game

Well I find if I long them in real fast some do not load correctly. So I have to log them back out and back in. So it is easer to go 4 at a time one on each computer. Join the fleet setup the windows then go to the next. Sometimes less then 45 min.

Once again, you display your complete lack of understanding and credibility.

If you think this is a "casual player", your have drunk far, far too much kool-aid.

Oh, and BTW, he is affecting EVERYONE's game play.
Anyone who uses ice products or mineral based products, which is everyone, is impacted to some extent by him driving down the market price of ice based or mineral based products.

Borrowing the tired old null sec zealot phrase of "creating content", this fellow is impacting the same things as Hulkageddon, or an goon ice interdiction, or that child running the miner bumping group.

I will explain with smaller words if you don't understand.

Thanks. I am working on getting my guys ready for another one.. I want to do 140 Battleships.. Not sure if I want to do all the same or some of everyone..

Aren't battleships slightly harder to control effectively than Mackinaws? Are you planning on using some software like ISBoxer?

Thanks. I am working on getting my guys ready for another one.. I want to do 140 Battleships.. Not sure if I want to do all the same or some of everyone..

Let us know - I'll watch it.

Hell, that vid of the barges might be useful promo footage for CCP, though I doubt they'd want to publicly comment on the multi-boxing aspect. A similar caravan of battleships or mixed battleships, battlecruisers, and crusiers would be probably be even more useful.

Well I find if I long them in real fast some do not load correctly. So I have to log them back out and back in. So it is easer to go 4 at a time one on each computer. Join the fleet setup the windows then go to the next. Sometimes less then 45 min.

Geez, in 45min this morning I had made 250mil already

Get your guys into drone boats and jump into low-sec and make a gate camp. Set all drones to assist one guy and burn everything that comes through. Have all ships rep the lead ship, too.

So true.. I need to have enough guys to have them all fly 1 of each and every ship there is in eve and then make a video of that.
Wonder how long it would take to undock that many ships.

I want to see how far I can push it. Just how many accounts can I get to run on 1 computer and on my 6mb/1mb DSL connection and still be able to watch netflix.

train all but two of those characters into archons, train two into T3s (legion booster, proteus/loki instalocker) and run your own slowcat fleets

Well I do not plan on using them to fight. But Just to make a video.. ALlot you can do with fleet comands. Just looking for something cool to do.. Also if you have any drone boat and launch drones and assign them to 1 guys. Well that is allot of drones going at one target.

Becouse I want to see how far I can push it. Just how many accounts can I get to run on 1 computer and on my 6mb/1mb DSL connection and still be able to watch netflix.
Good job CCP.

Approx. 6 KB/s. EVe is fairly tolerant of latency given the 1 Hz update.

I don't know whether to admire him or pity him!

My Guys undocking. Almost all of them.
http://youtu.be/pAoaW0vyKR8

I don't know whether to admire him or pity him!

Pity.

All that effort, and the only thing he can think to do with it is to further depress ice prices.


I won't stop him though, lower prices at the pump and all that.

U sad? ... See it this way, he is doing it for all of us and he shows what it looks like so nobody else needs to try it. Because of him do we know that it is doable. And about your depressed prices. I do not know if you should just get some anti-depressants for them or only change the way you look at them, because prices are not a living thing. All he does is it to fill the demand of other players for ice, and because of him do 100 other players not have to go mining. Think about it!

One question: Why?

Why 100 miners? Most people have 4-6, why do you need soo much isk? What do you spend isk on? Is playing EVE enjoyable for you?

It's cool that dude can actually manage to log in and fly some 100 characters. But parking them all in an ice belt is the lamest thing one could really do with them.

Hate to burst your bubble but after he logs them he should be able to pull over 800 mil per hour. Everyday. All day. Good luck keeping pace with that with your 250 million.

Why would it not be allowed. Look at what CCP makes. Plex's are not seeded in the game someone had to pay real money for them. So CCP makes about $20,000 a year off me alone. Why would they not allow that?

For love of smartbombs...

And?

Over 100 accounts that works out to 800 mil an hour.

and to plex those 100 accounts. He needs 56 billion a month. (figuring on 560 mil per plex)

I think Lazarus Telraven (I'm not sure about spelling here) mentioned in studio of Alliance tournament X that Goonswarm income from tech is something like 1 trillion per month. That guy is making over 10% of entire Goonswarm tech moon income. Alone. In highsec. Still feeling special?

ice mining for numerous hours a day is now comparable to scooping moongoo every 21 days

So you are confirming that maintaining all those moons is easy? Without considerable logistical chains behind them and tremendous military power being able to hold them? Goonswarm has over 9000 members. The Wis. Single guy. Make no mistake I'm not picking on Goonswarm I'm pointing out EvE is broken.

I'm about to ~blow your mind~ - we can easily manage the entirety of the logistical work with less accounts than he has. A moon defense op is the obvious exception, but that's hardly relevant since it's great content when it leads to a fight.

Mind not blown but I'll make a mental note that you confirmed null tech moon income is easier than zero risk ice mining in highsec. I rest my case. Good luck in game and fly safe.

Feel free to try out tech moon maintenance all by yourself, I give it a month before you burn out.

I'm about to ~blow your mind~ - we can easily manage the entirety of the logistical work with less accounts than he has. A moon defense op is the obvious exception, but that's hardly relevant since it's great content when it leads to a fight.

No thank you, I believe its hard. But Andski disagrees with you. You guys need to get your story straight.

And?

Over 100 accounts that works out to 80 mil an hour.

and to plex those 100 accounts. He needs 56 billion a month. (figuring on 560mil per plex)

Mind not blown but I'll make a mental note that you confirmed null tech moon income is easier than zero risk ice mining in highsec. I rest my case. Good luck in game and fly safe.

Feel free to try out tech moon maintenance all by yourself, I give it a month before you burn out.

all these multiboxers should just use their 41 accounts to capture and defend tech moons, way easier then zero isk ice mining they figure

No thank you, I believe its hard. But Andski disagrees with you. You guys need to get your story straight.

Well, it's easy to milk tech moons once you have them, sure.

I never said it was hard because it's not. It's a boring, repetitive, thankless job that leaves you literally no time to do anything else ingame.

Mind not blown but I'll make a mental note that you confirmed null tech moon income is easier than zero risk ice mining in highsec. I rest my case. Good luck in game and fly safe.

You forgot to add how much RL money you are making with those accounts. I am sure inquiring minds want to know.

Yes it's easier. It's also much higher risk, and daily maintenance ignores the effort of actually, you know, defending it (which costs something even if the primary defense is a diplomatic agreement) and taking it.

Zero Effort != Zero Risk.

And?

Over 100 accounts that works out to 80 mil an hour.

and to plex those 100 accounts. He needs 56 billion a month. (figuring on 560mil per plex)

I on the other hand did it with 3 active accounts. And only 2 running the sites, so that gives me 125mil per toon.

And I only need 1.7 bil a month to plex my 3 toons.

So it takes him about say 70 hours of running those 100 accounts to break even (pay his plex). I doublt I even put 70 hours into this game total a month.

It takes me about 7 hours to break even (pay my 3 plex)

And even largely AFK ice mining, he still has to unload 100 ore holds every ??? (have no idea how long it takes to fill one up) which still has to be work.

Heck logging in the accounts is 45 minutes of actual work even before he can start doing anything.

Consider my bubble just fine thanks.

daily maintenance ignores the effort of actually, you know, defending it (which costs something even if the primary defense is a diplomatic agreement) and taking it.
.

Anyway I said that the routine maintenance of tech moons is largely effortless, since it is - actually keeping one isn't.

He runs those accounts pretty much all day long so 56 bill is easily doable in a week. After that he cashes profit of about 100-200 bill every month.

I think Lazarus Telraven (I'm not sure about spelling here) mentioned in studio of Alliance tournament X that Goonswarm income from tech is something like 1 trillion per month. That guy is making over 10% of entire Goonswarm tech moon income. Alone. In highsec. Still feeling special?

oh yeah if we're going to compare the risks in holding tech moons with the risks in hisec ice mining, let's go

if your tech moon gets reinforced, you can either give up and lose the moon when they return after the timer to siege it and drop their own tower, or you can defend it by putting your ships on the field along with triage carriers to rep it past 50% to restront - if hostiles decide to engage anyway, and are successful, you lose a bunch of triage carriers and possibly a fleet, and the only way to get that moon back is to reinforce it yourself, possibly with the need to kite it so that it comes out in a timezone favorable to you - this is not fun or effortless

if your mackinaw gets suicide ganked, you buy another one for a couple hundred mil

so yeah, tech moons are completely effortless and risk-free

Nerf tech moons, boo to all tech moons.

Ice in highsec needs a good buffing.

And as far as the plex's go at least I get them off the market by adding the time to my accounts. instead of the guys that buy and sell to raise the prices.. If anything I am keeping the prices down on the plex's.

You're contributing to the rising costs about as much as they are.

Here is a link to my video of my guys undocking.
Hope you like it.
Or hate it.

oh yeah if we're going to compare the risks in holding tech moons with the risks in hisec ice mining, let's go

if your tech moon gets reinforced, you can either give up and lose the moon when they return after the timer to siege it and drop their own tower, or you can defend it by putting your ships on the field along with triage carriers to rep it past 50% to restront - if hostiles decide to engage anyway, and are successful, you lose a bunch of triage carriers and possibly a fleet, and the only way to get that moon back is to reinforce it yourself, possibly with the need to kite it so that it comes out in a timezone favorable to you - this is not fun or effortless

if your mackinaw gets suicide ganked, you buy another one for a couple hundred mil

so yeah, tech moons are completely effortless and risk-free

bots - no"

*cough*bullsh*t*cough*

at the very least you use key stroke replication.

Impresive.

I'm only up to 12 accounts, but who knows where it goes. Like you I like to push limits and see what happens.

You sir are an inspiration :-)

Also people need to understand it doesn't really matter how many miners you multibox. It takes just as long to mine a block of ice with one miner as it does to mine two blocks of ice with two miners. Weather I'm multiboxing one account or a million it takes the same amount of mining. The only thing that doesn't scale is set up time and what not but there are ways to mitigate that.

I do have a question. What do you mean by ISBoxer can't handle more that 16 accounts on one box. What exactly happens? I was hoping to use one box to go more than 16 accounts. My box seems to handle 12 without even blinking if I turn down all the graphic settings and resolution to minimum values.

Anyway, keep up the good work. It's nice to have a hobby :-)

Well for laying out the windows isboxer has no option that I have found for a 17th window. But you can use more then one computer and have 16 per computer. So that will work.

*cough*bullsh*t*cough*

at the very least you use key stroke replication.

CCP better hope that you don't decide to quit. If your number is anywhere close to accurate :: $20K/month will pay for about 2 employees + benefits.

Awesome vidz dude. I really like how you showed the same scene from different perspectives and zoomed in from different angles.

We could have made a video of the masstest yesterday using your techniques.

Good job. Good work. It was in real time.

Are you the guy that undocked like 30 charons from Jita?

Ice ice baby.

Could you try 100 Dominixes with sentry drones on assist at a nullsec gate? :)

Thanks. I am working on getting my guys ready for another one.. I want to do 140 Battleships.. Not sure if I want to do all the same or some of everyone..

We are Miners. You will be assimilated.

I'm going to speak, uninformed, here since I didn't read the entire thread. So, I apologize before hand if I am wrong.

There is no way you'll convince me you're not replicating your keyboard/mouse clicks which is or at least was against the EULA/TOS. Not that I really care. I'm just saying.

Also, you're all that is wrong with the Eve universe. Good day, Sir!

I'm going to speak, uninformed, here since I didn't read the entire thread. So, I apologize before hand if I am wrong.

There is no way you'll convince me you're not replicating your keyboard/mouse clicks which is or at least was against the EULA/TOS. Not that I really care. I'm just saying.

Also, you're all that is wrong with the Eve universe. Good day, Sir!

What i would like to know seeing that , do you have a job ?

Seems like yesterday you were arguing about how removing wardec evasion and NPC corps that help protect guys like Wis and such was bad and selfish

oh wait that was yesterday

Are you the guy that undocked like 30 charons from Jita?

I'm going to speak, uninformed,

I think those are from V.V.

Having the page file on the SSD, reduces the life span of the SSD.

Well for laying out the windows isboxer has no option that I have found for a 17th window. But you can use more then one computer and have 16 per computer. So that will work.

Really? Is this a hard limit or can you increase that number by having more screen resolution?
This will throw a massive spanner in my works if it is true :/

What i would like to know seeing that , do you have a job ?

I'm going to speak, uninformed, here since I didn't read the entire thread. So, I apologize before hand if I am wrong.

There is no way you'll convince me you're not replicating your keyboard/mouse clicks which is or at least was against the EULA/TOS. Not that I really care. I'm just saying.

Also, you're all that is wrong with the Eve universe. Good day, Sir!

I bought a new SSD a month ago and immediately put my pagefile on it. It has now expended 0.6% of it's theoretical lifetime. So this is hardly a big deal.

Hmm, with that many ships you could create art.

Get them all mining and then position them so the beams create a laser show, or artwork.

I'm going to speak, uninformed, here since I didn't read the entire thread. So, I apologize before hand if I am wrong.

There is no way you'll convince me you're not replicating your keyboard/mouse clicks which is or at least was against the EULA/TOS. Not that I really care. I'm just saying.

Also, you're all that is wrong with the Eve universe. Good day, Sir!

Hello there,

To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.

Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping).

An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time!

Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA.

I hope this clears up this matter.

Best regards,
Senior GM Lelouch
EVE Online Customer Support

If you stretch the desktop between screens then you have sufficient real estate.
Though why not alt tab between them?

Well I have plently of real estate. All seems to go find till I add the 17th account. For some reason isboxer will not allow me to add a 17th window to the layout. Under the Windows layout option where you select the clients home region it will only go up to 16.

Alt tab between clients works find for a few but when you have a lot of clients then it is Alt TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB getting a little hard. So I just do not stack my eve clients on the tool mark. So there is a line accrouse the bottom of my screen for all the clients. I stick with 25 per computer becouse they are on 22" wide screen monitors and when I get over 25 clients then my tool back becomes 2 rows with is a little harder for the last few clients.

Well if you look at ice mining and the way I do it there is no need to replicate the keyboard and mouse clicks. Even if I did replicate them it is not agenst the EULA/TOS since they allow isboxer witch does that it self. Once you have a steady pattern down it is very easy to handle allot of clients and you do not have to handle them all at once.
If I did replicate all keyboard and mouse you would see all my guys undock at the exact same time and not one by one like they did in the video.
I do use the fleet warp command to move them sometimes.

Didnt I try to wage war on you under the command of Erotica1 once?


Also you do know you can use the mouse in alt tab and it will show what you are going to select, right?

The best tip is to use and SSD drive..

SSD Drives cant properly be erased (no I'm not taking the normal delete function).

Unit the method is perfected The Man isn't going to get my secrets

Is it true that buying a 1 year isboxer license actually gives you a license to use the software on up to 5 computers?

Dont get connection issues....that would be brutally horrible!

SSD Drives cant properly be erased (no I'm not taking the normal delete function).

Unit the method is perfected The Man isn't going to get my secrets

Why would it not be allowed. Look at what CCP makes. Plex's are not seeded in the game someone had to pay real money for them. So CCP makes about $20,000 a year off me alone. Why would they not allow that?

You know that much money spent on entertainment should entail prostitues and blow.

Hmmm.. Show me a prostitute that takes isks. and I do not mean the ones in game :)

Still trying to get my power company to take isks. So far my psychiatrist takes isks next the power company.

http://www.endlessgibberish.com/woman-trades-sex-for-5000-gold-on-wow/

One can only hope....

Don't want to read the full thread but that was cool. Op do you use ISBoxer at all or do you do it all by hand? And if you don't use ISBoxer why not?

I'm skipping most of this thread, but I just wanted to say that I liked your choice of music so much I instantly bought it off amazon. Excellent song!

Also I dig your crazy mining fleet. Every time I think I can ballpark the diversity of gameplay in EVE I get surprised.

See, that's WoW. Everyone knows there aren't any girls that play EVE.

Well I do not plan on using them to fight. But Just to make a video.. ALlot you can do with fleet comands. Just looking for something cool to do.. Also if you have any drone boat and launch drones and assign them to 1 guys. Well that is allot of drones going at one target.

The most important question to me is why hasn't this fleet been ganked yet?

If this person enjoys some sort of griefer-immunity due to the fanfest incident (which was deplorable, but whose shelf life has run its course imo,) then that's not fair to the rest of us and isn't in the spirit of EVE. That immunity needs to be lifted.

If it's because nobody can be arsed to fleet a half dozen (overkill?) smartbombing bs's and get the most epic suicide gank of all time, then shame on the eve griefer community.

Oh I have had allot of ganks.. That is part of the game.. No Immunity yet.
Last good gank attempt was 20 BS's and they killed 3 retrivers.

Also you say it has ran its course. Well that it has not I still get crank phone calls daily and e-mails in my personal e-mail. They are just not in game so nothing CCP can do about that.

warpwarwarwarwarawrawrawrawrarwrawrawrawrawrawrawrawrawrawrawrwarawrawrawrawrawrawrawrawrawrawr
warwawrearwawrawrawrawrawrawrwarawrawrawrawrawrawrawrawrawrawrawrawrawrawrawrawrarwawrawrawrawr
awrawarp drive active.

words.

Get over it. He has the freedom and right to play as he sees fit. He's paying enough to buy a small car each year to do it.

Or other people are paying him* enough to buy a small car in exchange for doing it. PLEX is a funny thing.


*Well, paying CCP on his behalf.

Come on CCP, actually look like you are trying to stop this so this game really does play the way you market it to us.

And do you have evidence that this miner is engaged in RMT?

I don't think you understand just how wide-spread this is. CCP would lose many, many subs. Usually, people with this many accounts pay with PLEX, and a good metric of whether this sort of thing is "out of control" is if PLEX experienced extreme inflation. However it currently sits at a completely acceptable 550M.

[quote=Demolishar][quote=Yim Sei]

Seriously dude this is either a 'player driven market' or it is not.

The OP is a good reason it is not.

My Guys undocking. Almost all of them.
http://youtu.be/pAoaW0vyKR8

Hate to burst your bubble but after he logs them he should be able to pull over 800 mil per hour. Everyday. All day. Good luck keeping pace with that with your 250 million.

Holy face-melt, batman!

That'd be like jumping into a blizard of flaming snow!

Why would it not be allowed. Look at what CCP makes. Plex's are not seeded in the game someone had to pay real money for them. So CCP makes about $20,000 a year off me alone. Why would they not allow that?

Because then it becomes a "pay-to-win" game. It's not CCP that allows it, it's the players, and not just on this game. Gamers all over are falling for this crap and allowing it to perpetuate, and even propagating it by continuing to do nothing about it.

If too many people try to "pay to win", the PLEX price drops too low and it becomes less attractive, causing people to grind in game for their ISK. It's a nice and self regulating system that is governed only by what players are willing to tolerate.

Put your money where your mouth is and stop paying your PLEX each month if you want to see the "p2w crowd" getting less value for their money, and perhaps being dissuaded from such activities.

No because you and I both know that won't solve anything. The REAL solution is making life miserable for miners with too many accounts :D