Bounties are hard capped at 20% value lost.
So unless you mean reduced cost of ganks then you arent thinking this through enough.

Bounties are hard capped at 20% value lost.
So unless you mean reduced cost of ganks then you arent thinking this through enough.

... There are always winners and losers.

*I wouldn't call this an "exploit" in gaming terms. I'd say "working as intended" and "gaming the system." As evidence, if this were a true "exploit" then I'm sure this thread would vanish.

TB

Mags, we aren't talking about a trivial amount of ISK.
Because Alliance/corp wide bounties are included, not just personal ones.

Something around 400M ISK in bounties had accumulated on the alliance since Retribution hit.
After I realized how to game the system, I managed to claim almost the entire principal over the course of several suicide ganks.
(Which totally subsidized the costs of ganking, BTW.....)

This applies to corporation bounties as well, as you can easily move the -10 ganker into the affect Corp, drain the pool of bounties, then move it back.

Its kind of hilarious actually.
I bet people didn't realize that in Crimewatch, CCP actually just reintroduced "insurance" for suicide gankers.

Except this time, its funded by carebears who think they are getting revenge.
Actually, you know what? Never mind. Forget I said anything at all.

Anyway, just keep those bounties coming. Suicide ganking is fun. Suicide ganking cheaply - even better.

OK, give some figures on what you flew and how much ISK you got from it.

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I'll give you a figure.

I have placed a 1b ISK bounty on CODE. (the guys of the New Order). Now this bounty has slowly gone down to 961m ISKs and will continue to melt away.

Looking at the kills on eve-kill.net do most of their losses (a catalyst) list a miner with a Hobgoblin I and CONCORD.

The bounty is being paid out to the victims! This was not my intention when I placed the bounty. I wanted it to be fun and so that it pays those players who go after them, but not to compensate the victims for their losses.

In short: WTF?

I don't see a problem with that tbh. Looks like a funny way for the victim, to give the aggressor the bird.

The victim did not place the bounty. I did! Where is my fun?

You can collect 20% of your loss via bounty right? Not a big issue then

I can't imagine that they intend for people to get a bounty payout when CONCORD destroys the ship.

I though tthe person with the final blow was awarded the payout anyways?


It's a little strange to see people say this is ok, the OP demonstrated how to take advantage of the mechanics in ways that can't possibly be intended. That's not emergent gameplay, that's exploting the mechanics for your benefit.

As far as where you fun is, well that's your concern tbh.

The bounty is a separate mechanic from concord punishment. As has been shown by the OP, the payout is small and not worth worrying about. Remember, whomever is suicide ganking, isn't going to be winning any ISK wars with this and it will not entice them to fly expensive suicide ganking ships. It simply wouldn't make any financial sense.

It really is a none issue.

The bounty is a separate mechanic from concord punishment. As has been shown by the OP, the payout is small and not worth worrying about. Remember, whomever is suicide ganking, isn't going to be winning any ISK wars with this and it will not entice them to fly expensive suicide ganking ships. It simply wouldn't make any financial sense.

It really is a none issue.

They're ganking anyway, bounty or no bounty. It's plain stupid that the bounty someone placed on them winds up being paid to them as a subsidy that lets them gank more and spend less. It's also a trivial fix to make, if they would bother to address it.

It's not actually trivial. Some players with bounties, will only ever be able to be shot and have some of their bounty collected, with Concord intervention. You're basically asking for bounties to be pointless, in this regard.

As bounties are what other players deem to be worth shooting them for, Concord is irrelevant in that regard. Whether they were involved or not.

So remove concord and flag the guy FFA under the current rules.

If you're ganked your ganked, and now that gankers bounty has a real meaning.

It's not actually trivial. Some players with bounties, will only ever be able to be shot and have some of their bounty collected, with Concord intervention. You're basically asking for bounties to be pointless, in this regard.

As bounties are what other players deem to be worth shooting them for, Concord is irrelevant in that regard. Whether they were involved or not.

Trading alts can sit docked forever at a station, with a bounty on them, where no CONCORD will ever get them. This is not our concern but CCP's and it should not be yours either.

The fix is then trivial. Bounties are being paid out for every kill, which means it is directly connected to the creation of killmails. At least this is the understanding that I got from the devblog. So they only need to check the kill for a participation of CONCORD, faction navy, corp police, customs police and whatever else is there and simply hold the payment.

It's not actually trivial. Some players with bounties, will only ever be able to be shot and have some of their bounty collected, with Concord intervention. You're basically asking for bounties to be pointless, in this regard.

As bounties are what other players deem to be worth shooting them for, Concord is irrelevant in that regard. Whether they were involved or not.

I guess the thing is, is if you are 'shot - with Concord intervention' - did you really 'do' anything? The ganker's ship was doomed, and you really didn't have any affect on the proceedings at all. By the time Concord gets itself on the KM, the gankship is immobilized and completely incapable of doing anything else.

What eludes me, is why would -10 pirates in lowsec even care? Concord doesn't kill people in low sec.
There is a precedent: Removal of insurance in the case of a Concord death. Would stand to reason that bounty payouts could be easily nullified in the same way. After all, the recipient, be it miner, ganker or 3rd party didn't REALLY do anything at all, thats why its called KM whoring. Its just especially ridiculous in the context of omnipotent Concord.

I'm actually arguing against my own self interest here, simply for vanities sake - being able to maintain a 'high score' bounty.
But we aren't talking about an insignificant amount of money, in the aggregate.

-10 Gank alts do not have to rat between sorties. They are ridden quite hard, only limited by the 15 min GCC timer and finding targets.

Insurance is a NPC led mechanic, bounties are a player led mechanic.