So why are bounties paid out when NPCs did the kill?

Because they are not players?

Meaning what?

Why should concord involvement, have any relevance to a player led mechanic? Why should the payout not go to the player, also involved?

Because the kill was not done by a player!

But he was involved and it's a player led mechanic. NPC involvement in regards to a bounty payout, is irrelevant.

Are you asking to break the whole system, over a few mil?

The only thing I can see being a problem is the 'self-Concorddokken' to avoid a bounty payout.

Took this long for people to work out how to exploit the system. (Or at least for someone to post it on the Forums).
Well done CCP, thats a robust system.
Now fix this exploit please that removes any kind of consequence. Since in this situation the 'cost' of the ship is being removed from the equation, since it is being used for a suicide gank so being lost either way. So the gankers are able to farm any bounties on them and make a 'profit' effectively.

Simple fix. If concord on mail, don't pay out bounty. Does it mean that that miner who got drones onto you doesn't get a bounty also. Sure. I'll live with that as a part time miner. Surviving the gank is the main profit for the miner, any bounty on a gank destroyer is negligible anyway compared to the loss of a barge/exhumer. And the ganker can make profit every single time he ganks since he knows it's coming.

And Whitehound - if I remember correctly from last year - was more or less rabidly against anything ganking/griefing related, while thats all I really do. Yet we agree on this.

Simple fix. If concord on mail, don't pay out bounty.

I agree, while for now it is new and still somewhat experimental, as well as funny, are there a few things that leave questions open. Bounties should not be paid when CONCORD was involved, possibly when faction Navy NPCs and customs office NPCs are involved either, to avoid any kind of exploits from either side. Do a clean kill or don't get paid. When you don't get paid will the ISKs still be there, and you will at least get the kill and loot.

Just my opinion.

I was wondering, are corporation and alliance bounties being paid out when their members shoot each other?

If no bounties are going to be paid if concord is involved, you bet that when I am fighting in high sec and I may loose, I am gonna shoot an innocent by-standard and get concorded to keep the bounty away from the foe trying to pop me

If no bounties are going to be paid if concord is involved, you bet that when I am fighting in high sec and I may loose, I am gonna shoot an innocent by-standard and get concorded to keep the bounty away from the foe trying to pop me

Please, do this. You still have the bounty on you and you die faster than I could probably ever kill you, because, you know, you just zap yourself with the help of CONCORD. Nothing kills faster and less effort for me. If that's what it then means can the bounty stay and you can always get yourself CONCORDed.

But he was involved and it's a player led mechanic. NPC involvement in regards to a bounty payout, is irrelevant.

Wait, Whitehound, you said that you placed a 1 Billion ISK bounty on CODE????

Guess where my suicide alt is going now...!!!

I need to get me some of those free Whitehound bux!!!!!
Booyah.
Thanks for the donation, you'll be subsidizing my ganking ops for weeks, buddy.

The no CONCORD on kill mail thing wouldn't work any better because there will be people who make it a point to get CONCORDed if it means making attacking them unprofitable. They could in theory use IP to reduce the number of abuses by gankers as it'd require multiple computers with at least one a proxy server. Don't really see a downside to doing that much.

Would you really choose to commit suicide, earn a sec. status hit and keep the bounty on your head only to deny someone the 20% payout? How long do you think you can do this before you give up?

I don't know, how long are suicide gankers able to keep their sec status?

Some can do this for a very long time. Of course, if you are really good at PvP then you could possibly keep your bounty forever!

Simple fix the distribution of the bounty payout is based on the percentage damage you did.
0 damage 0 payout
Would also act as a lovely ISK sink as the money gets paid to Concord.
Also can we get the km linked when collection notifications are sent?
Would be very nice.

The new 'bounty received' notifications are terrific.[/b] Their instantaneous nature make it quite easy to pinpoint which butthurt miner/hauler put the bounty on you - and allows the pirate to victimize them with locators for further gank attacks. After all, if they mad enough to put a bounty on you, it means your suicide attack hit home - and further ganks might push them right over the edge and cause them to beat their kids, or better yet, quit EVE.

Actually its pretty amusing.

No. He was present and so was the victim and possibly others, but he did not do the kill. CONCORD did.

Bounties are meant as a reward for players who kill another player.

Your problem is that you have no understanding of bounties, that you do not know why someone puts a bounty on another player and what it is someone else should get the ISKs for.

What you do is to repeatedly state the is-state of the game and based on this do you give us interpretations of what it could mean.

Frankly, we do not care for it. We are discussing what it means for us players and not what it may have meant for the dev who implemented it.

Do you understand this?