Funny how the ganking more or less vanished when it became unprofitable to do.

Can't emphasize this enough the forum whining got mining barges their unwarranted EHP buffs.

But go on, keep explaining to us how Hulkageddon was all about profits

I thought it was because your alliance sponsored a massive in-game event that demonstrated just how easy and cheap it was to gank barges with T1 destroyers?

you burned that candle to a stump, meight. that's why they buffed barges, forum whine was mostly ancillary.

But please, explain to me how Hulkageddon was not about profits.

I would have to disagree that discussions limited to the forum ever got anything changed in Eve. To my knowledge all changes occurred in this order:

1) Whine threads ad nauseam. To which CCP's reply was typically, "We value you as a loyal customer. Here's a rubik's cube, now go F*$( yourself.

2) Subs start to drop.

3) CCP makes changes.

The changes to the barges cited as a change due to discussion can be directly correlated to YEARS of whine threads discussing how no tank could be successfully added to them without ganking their ability to mine making some non-mining ships competitive w/ better tanks. Coupled with this were years to whine threads about being ganked so easily. And finally, at the height of the gankage dedicated miners just dropping subs. I know many who left and were never seen again because CCP continued to ignore the rampant abuse of miners on multiple fronts:bots, ganking, etc.

At one point EVE was much harsher then it was at present. Endless whines by carebears have resulted in increasing safety and bad carebear-oriented expansions introduced with no corroborating boosts in subscription numbers. Likewise, forum complaints convinced CCP to needlessly buff barges in the face of 'mass unsubs' which never happened and never materialized. Clearly, forum complaints are a powerful tool because they are able to convince CCP of things that are plainly untrue, like the "carebear dollar" myth. After Incarna hit the floor, CCP had truth forced upon it and since then it has been updating PVP ships and mechanics (like bounty system, crimewatch and wardecs). The important thing is to continue to expunge the 'carebear dollar' myth from CCP's heads to keep them from being manipulated by selfish gold farmers from inadvertantly destroying EVE with their risk-adverse greed.

I leave that sort of behavior for those who would lie for self-benefit.

And if that is true does it really mean that CCP supports the hi-sec, carebear, NPC corp lifestyle?

Funny how you skate over the "couple of million" part.

If you want to continue arguing that it was done for the chance of a measy profit, and not because it was a low-cost, low-effort way to get some lulz, please, go ahead.

We both know that it hasn't dropped significantly because it became unprofitable, but because it became too unprofitable. More importantly, it requires more people, hence ::effort::, now.

But go on, keep explaining to us how Hulkageddon was all about profits

Were the tier 3 BCs and the Destroyer buffs that preceded the mining barge buff for the carebears as well?

Hulkageddon prizes were worth tens of billions. The interdictions netted us hundreds of billions.

Hulkageddon will most likely happen again however the far more destructive interdictions will not as there is no profit in it. I suppose you are one of those who say the freighter ganking is also for the lulz and not the trillions of isk.

I thought it was because your alliance sponsored a massive in-game event that demonstrated just how easy and cheap it was to gank barges with T1 destroyers?

you burned that candle to a stump, meight. that's why they buffed barges, forum whine was mostly ancillary.

The mining barge EHP buff was to specifically tell players "No, you cannot play the game that way."

And what about all of the other years that this event occurred yet was not sponsored by us? The forum whine of "he kil my 325mil ship with 7mil ship" is what did it. Also don't forget the part that they could have tanked their ships and made themselves unprofitable to gank in the first place. The mining barge EHP buff was to specifically tell players "No, you cannot play the game that way."

Tell us, when did CCP remove your ability to shoot at barges?

You say people could just have tanked barges to become unprofitable.

Hmmm. Now they are unprofitable. So were tanking mods CCP's way of telling you "you couldn't play that way"?

Tell us, when did CCP remove your ability to shoot at barges?

You say people could just have tanked barges to become unprofitable.

Hmmm. Now they are unprofitable. So were tanking mods CCP's way of telling you "you couldn't play that way"?

CCP Soundwave saying ganking shouldn't be profitable. That's a big "no you cannot play that way."

It's actually possible to have the exhumer prereqs in under 2 months now.

And yes of course they'll suck but remember the noob mentality, bigger and shinier is better.

But you can still gank barges.

If you want to complain that it is not profitable, that's a whole other level of complaining.

Ganking freighters isn't profitable either. Ganking the right freighters is.

It's CCP telling you to pick the right targets. Put some effort into it. Risk/Effort/Investment vs Reward.

CCP never intended for it to be profitable to gank a hull with basic fittings, and the reason why should be obvious to anyone who hasn't got their head stuck in the entitlement-sand.

But you can still gank barges.

If you want to complain that it is not profitable, that's a whole other level of complaining.

Ganking freighters isn't profitable either. Ganking the right freighters is.

It's CCP telling you to pick the right targets. Put some effort into it. Risk/Effort/Investment vs Reward.

CCP never intended for it to be profitable to gank a hull with basic fittings, and the reason why should be obvious to anyone who hasn't got their head stuck in the entitlement-sand.

Okay paste the training plan with remaps and all right here for us as well as the income plan to generate enough isk to fund the ship all in the same period of time.

Your whole argument that "tanking mods is CCP's way of telling you "you couldn't play that way" is just idiotic.

no remap = 57 days. getting a barge and mining for several hours a day pays for it.

Do the math, finish proving your point.