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emptydude	Posted - 2005.08.18 11:39:00 - [451] Originally by: Blacklight Just for clarity it is our intention to have Outer Ring and completely remove Imperium, so yes we are contesting it and not just attacking it. your POS in the area should be enough to count for a contested marker. the fact that it is in IMPS space and they haven't/can't remove it is imo contested space. maybe not the whole of outer ring, just the few systems around the POS, but it should be more than just a warzone imho -------- wannabe gangsta
sapage1	Posted - 2005.08.18 12:06:00 - [452] Originally by: emptydude Originally by: Blacklight Just for clarity it is our intention to have Outer Ring and completely remove Imperium, so yes we are contesting it and not just attacking it. your POS in the area should be enough to count for a contested marker. the fact that it is in IMPS space and they haven't/can't remove it is imo contested space. maybe not the whole of outer ring, just the few systems around the POS, but it should be more than just a warzone imho That is why Joshua does the map and not you. Bias is a bad bad thing. ___________________________________________________ Imperium vs 5ive Imperium.wmv www.sultenonline.com/zelotas/Imperium.wmvMirr
emptydude	Posted - 2005.08.18 12:34:00 - [453] Originally by: sapage1 Originally by: emptydude Originally by: Blacklight Just for clarity it is our intention to have Outer Ring and completely remove Imperium, so yes we are contesting it and not just attacking it. your POS in the area should be enough to count for a contested marker. the fact that it is in IMPS space and they haven't/can't remove it is imo contested space. maybe not the whole of outer ring, just the few systems around the POS, but it should be more than just a warzone imho That is why Joshua does the map and not you. Bias is a bad bad thing. if i was to be biased against anyone, it would be BoB, considering i lost many ships to them when i was in PA. -------- wannabe gangsta
DB Preacher	Posted - 2005.08.18 12:46:00 - [454] It's pretty simple... Imp want to contest Fountain, we want to contest Cloud Ring. So just mark them both as contested for the next 6-12 months and let's see who is standing at the end of it. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Funshine Bear	Posted - 2005.08.18 16:01:00 - [455] Edited by: Funshine Bear on 18/08/2005 16:01:46 i claim all of Empire space. put Funshine Bear on the Map! Hunting Veldspar since 1972 -- Celestial Apocalypse are ebil pirates
Darko1107	Posted - 2005.08.18 17:32:00 - [456] There is no Pirate "Infestation" in PB, maybe the odd Doom. or RUS-SAGA, apart from that its bloody boring. Also, there is no "warzone" approach to JF/O-SYN, they mostly just live in x-70, sniping gates or ganking the occasional bs or whatever. We blob them then bugger off, or sumtimes kill a hac or a thorax. Not really a war, thought we sometimes have some very small battles.
Demarcus	Posted - 2005.08.18 19:56:00 - [457] Originally by: Edoo Adding JF/OS to Pureblind would be a joke. There are far more powerful entities which would make it a warzone such as R.I.S.K. I just get frustrated when JF/OS feel they deserve a marker there, when R.I.S.K have fought much more and more honourably, and have never requested to be marked in. Pirate infestation is the best label for the region IMO, but i will trust your judgement Josh. If it is claimed by anyone it should be IRON or G since we by far have the largest presences in the region. If not one of those 2 leave it as an infestation. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Reiisha	Posted - 2005.08.19 03:33:00 - [458] Originally by: DB Preacher It's pretty simple... Imp want to contest Fountain, we want to contest Cloud Ring. So just mark them both as contested for the next 6-12 months and let's see who is standing at the end of it. dbp IMP will prolly reply with "BoB are no threat to Cloud Ring, please remove the contested marker".
Righteous Fury	Posted - 2005.08.19 04:16:00 - [459] Originally by: sapage1 That is why Joshua does the map and not you. Bias is a bad bad thing. Now where have I heard that before...hmm
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.08.19 19:25:00 - [460] Originally by: Demarcus Originally by: Edoo Adding JF/OS to Pureblind would be a joke. There are far more powerful entities which would make it a warzone such as R.I.S.K. I just get frustrated when JF/OS feel they deserve a marker there, when R.I.S.K have fought much more and more honourably, and have never requested to be marked in. Pirate infestation is the best label for the region IMO, but i will trust your judgement Josh. If it is claimed by anyone it should be IRON or G since we by far have the largest presences in the region. If not one of those 2 leave it as an infestation. Its a fairly logical argument against though isn't it? There is no pirate infestation in Pureblind currently and JF/OS are shooting PA and the NVP corps. If your neutral we don't shoot you, if you are PA+buddies we do. Thats the definition of a war albeit a guerilla one. Also no side in the dispute "claims" Pureblind its just being used as a warzone. The logical resolution is to put a JF/OSYN vs PA(NVP) marker there to let travellers know what is going on. The map is surely a resource to inform people about whats happening in the regions rather than a propaganda tool I thought? As for casualties being caused OSYN have a killboard that shows plenty, JF don't currently use one but be assured we're not exactly mucking around with feather dusters in the region Ultimately the best argument for putting a conflict like this on the map is so that some random traveller jumping into PB can look at the map and know what the fighting is about. "ah he thinks, thats a gang of JF/OSYN ships lurking in system but they are only after PA and friends ... good news for me they ain't pirates!" (and goes about his business. And thats it really. "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."

Yuki Li	Posted - 2005.08.19 19:53:00 - [461] Quote: There is no Pirate "Infestation" in PB, maybe the odd Doom. or RUS-SAGA, apart from that its bloody boring. Also, there is no "warzone" approach to JF/O-SYN, they mostly just live in x-70, sniping gates or ganking the occasional bs or whatever. We blob them then bugger off, or sumtimes kill a hac or a thorax. Not really a war, thought we sometimes have some very small battles. Not trying to be funny here, but we don't fly around in huge blobs. I'm not sure that makes us as insignificant as you'd like to suggest. We're not huge, but we're certainly fighting. http://omerta.killboard.net
Edoo	Posted - 2005.08.19 19:54:00 - [462] Jasmine why does the map matter at all to you? -------------------------------------------------------- Edoo - TPDT Recruitment Manager, PA Diplomat
Hawkings SJ	Posted - 2005.08.19 20:14:00 - [463] The counter argument is pretty simple: The map shows regional conflicts between alliances, for the most part, or conflicts that could be expected to result in an area changing ownership. JF/O-SYN I believe may not recognize the soverienty of the northern alliances, but have no intention of taking the area for thier own. Also, you have said you dont shoot people other then those in the aformentioned alliances. Why would the general public need to know that someone who isnt' going to shoot them, isn't contesting the control of that region and isn't in control themselves is around? I mean really, what use is a "No Danger" sign?
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.08.19 20:15:00 - [464] Originally by: Edoo Jasmine why does the map matter at all to you? I'm thinking of innocent freighter captains that might get scared at all the skirmish warfare going on Edo, but seriously why not? If people are making a conflict map it might as well show the conflicts that are going on? Why shouldn't it make a note that JF/OSYN are taking on the might of the north single handed ? "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
Edoo	Posted - 2005.08.19 20:25:00 - [465] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Edoo Jasmine why does the map matter at all to you? I'm thinking of innocent freighter captains that might get scared at all the skirmish warfare going on Edo, but seriously why not? If people are making a conflict map it might as well show the conflicts that are going on? Why shouldn't it make a note that JF/OSYN are taking on the might of the north single handed ? does that mean taking on the odd traveller single handed? Anyway lets not start *****ing on the map thread lol. -------------------------------------------------------- Edoo - TPDT Recruitment Manager, PA Diplomat
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.08.19 20:56:00 - [466] Originally by: Edoo Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Edoo Jasmine why does the map matter at all to you? I'm thinking of innocent freighter captains that might get scared at all the skirmish warfare going on Edo, but seriously why not? If people are making a conflict map it might as well show the conflicts that are going on? Why shouldn't it make a note that JF/OSYN are taking on the might of the north single handed ? does that mean taking on the odd traveller single handed? Anyway lets not start ****ing on the map thread lol. Agreed its stupid for us to argue on this thread, after all its a game mate, we're clearly in the area and shooting you. I can't think of one reason why you wouldn't want the conflict zone marked on the map. Makes us both famous don't it? "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."*
Darko1107	Posted - 2005.08.19 23:09:00 - [467] Originally by: Yuki Li Quote: There is no Pirate "Infestation" in PB, maybe the odd Doom. or RUS-SAGA, apart from that its bloody boring. Also, there is no "warzone" approach to JF/O-SYN, they mostly just live in x-70, sniping gates or ganking the occasional bs or whatever. We blob them then bugger off, or sumtimes kill a hac or a thorax. Not really a war, thought we sometimes have some very small battles. Not trying to be funny here, but we don't fly around in huge blobs. I'm not sure that makes us as insignificant as you'd like to suggest. We're not huge, but we're certainly fighting. Not saying your insignificant. I simply dont view it as a war at all. We see each other, we shoot each other. Other than thats theres not really much to it.
Recluse Viramor	Posted - 2005.08.20 05:16:00 - [468] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Edoo Jasmine why does the map matter at all to you? I'm thinking of innocent freighter captains that might get scared at all the skirmish warfare going on Edo, but seriously why not? If people are making a conflict map it might as well show the conflicts that are going on? Why shouldn't it make a note that JF/OSYN are taking on the might of the north single handed ? Anyone thats going to be flying a freighter is not going to be that naive to fly into 0.0 without escrots and without knowledge of whats currently going on in the region. The maps purpose is to show who claims what and the addition of the little pirate infestation symbols helps people see where areas are a bit unstable, you in pure blind is no different from any number of other pirate corps doing their work in other regions in 0.0. Why am I not suprised that JF is once again trying to get all the attention it can get.
ParMizaN	Posted - 2005.08.20 09:29:00 - [469] actually from my POV, if they dont shoot neutrals ten a pirate symbol could be misleading... Advertise in my sig! I am ParMizaN and i love Zarthanon
Tatsue Nuko	Posted - 2005.08.20 13:17:00 - [470] Originally by: ParMizaN actually from my POV, if they dont shoot neutrals ten a pirate symbol could be misleading... Indeed. If you have a pirate symbol, people will expect pirates. And then they see a group of JF/OSYN ships, and they'll of course think "eeek piwates!" and hide needlessly instead of "hellous!" and fly on. As such, the marker has a value as an indication of the situation in each are. Hawkings may feel (conveniently) that the map is only about showing "who claims what". But then Hawkings is free to make his own map, and us others are free to tell the current mapmaker that we feel the map could serve more than that purpose - such as letting people know that they should expect seeing combat in are X but that corps A and B in that combat scenario are not pirates and will not shoot neutrals. Join Jericho!

Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.08.20 14:54:00 - [471] Originally by: ParMizaN actually from my POV, if they dont shoot neutrals ten a pirate symbol could be misleading... Yeah kinda the point really. I guess what the map needs is an insurgency or guerilla action marker maybe? Something for all the non territorialist alliance people fighting against oppression and tyranny? I think its a very important point people need to realise is that not all non alliance fighters are pirates. _________________ Shoot Tyrants - join Jericho Fraction!
Hawkings SJ	Posted - 2005.08.20 15:32:00 - [472] Right, because when I point out that marking every small conflict on the map might create needless clutter on a work that mostly shows large scall conflicts (historically, not conviently) I should make my own map, and your ideas should be implemented. How about you make your own map and my ideas get implemented? Especially since mine would require no change at all. The map could show every fight, and all the stances the fighters hold in relation to one another. But really, think of how many fights must be going on in EVE right now. Showing smaller battles opens the door to a wave of people wanting to get on the map for recognition/political/bragging/wang-waving reasons, more then the ability to actually change the face of the map significantly.
Tatsue Nuko	Posted - 2005.08.20 16:18:00 - [473] The point, Hawkings, is that you're the one that wanted us covered by the "pirate infestation" marker. We said "we're not piwates", so that's not right. So we gave our thoughts to Josh on that. I think he now has a rather extensive array of opinions from both sides of the fences now, wherefore I think we can let it rest in peace and I'll ***** at him in pwiwateh later if he's naughty. __________________ Feel the ♥, http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=168726Join Jericho![/ur
Hawkings SJ	Posted - 2005.08.20 17:18:00 - [474] Actually my suggestion was for "Roleplayer Infestation". But Pirate Infestation, a general warning of possible danger, would service just as well.
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.08.20 17:27:00 - [475] Originally by: Hawkings SJ Actually my suggestion was for "Roleplayer Infestation". But Pirate Infestation, a general warning of possible danger, would service just as well. Aside from the facts we're not pirates and don't shoot neutrals ... sheesh man how many times do people need to point that out to you Now why don't we all shush about it and let the map maker decide. _________________ Shoot Tyrants - join Jericho Fraction!
Hawkings SJ	Posted - 2005.08.20 18:27:00 - [476] And Roleplayer Infestation would not communicate that clearly enough?
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.08.20 19:04:00 - [477] "And Roleplayer Infestation would not communicate that clearly enough?" It's kinda very case-specific (although funny) ... think the map could do with simple "high risk zone" marker that'd replace the 'pirate infestation' thing... one man's pirate is another man's freedom fighter and whatnot >>;
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.08.20 19:16:00 - [478] Originally by: j0sephine "And Roleplayer Infestation would not communicate that clearly enough?" It's kinda very case-specific (although funny) ... think the map could do with simple "high risk zone" marker that'd replace the 'pirate infestation' thing... one man's pirate is another man's freedom fighter and whatnot >>; That is a very sensible suggestion, the more generic the better really as one wrong word can cause a thousand to be written in debate on the whorums. Eve Blacklight Style
ParMizaN	Posted - 2005.08.20 20:06:00 - [479] Originally by: j0sephine "And Roleplayer Infestation would not communicate that clearly enough?" It's kinda very case-specific (although funny) ... think the map could do with simple "high risk zone" marker that'd replace the 'pirate infestation' thing... one man's pirate is another man's freedom fighter and whatnot >>; sounds like a very good idea Advertise in my sig! I am ParMizaN and i love Zarthanon
Angry Dan	Posted - 2005.08.20 21:17:00 - [480] Originally by: Hawkings SJ Actually my suggestion was for "Roleplayer Infestation". I second that, theres a nasty one in R3-K7K :) Oh wait, thats us :) ++++++++++++++++++++ Founder member of the Huzzah Federation. Remember, the grass is greener on our side of the fence Widowmakers director Fear my kneepads of allure!



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