Veterans taking advantage of mechanics intended to help rookies (like no ganking in rookie system belts) is the foundation of the whole "NPC corp" phenomenon. Let's get rid of NPC corps as a whole and help the rookies out by driving these creatures from their belts. You bring a good point Dave Stark at the perils of compromising on the issue of NPC corps - it just leads to further problems.

To clarify, by me stating "cannot mine outside of 1.0/0.9/0.8" it would also mean that PRCs (Player Run Corps) would NOT be able to mine in those systems. Or rent offices. Or lab slots... etc... etc... etc...

Thank you.

the mining system doesn't need changing. why would we change a perfectly fine system to accommodate an even worse system being introduced?

not quite sure you understand how "improvements" work.

your suggestions add nothing to the game.

or we could let ccp use the time to add something to the game rather than pointlessly changing a system that doesn't need changing?

Can I ask you a serious question...

Do you think CCP is going to enact changes that will detrimentally affect a large portion of their player base?

We discussed this in my thread of how the forums caused CCP to change the game when it comes to mining barges being buffed because of the threads complaing about ganking.

Can you imagine the threadnaughts that will ensue if your changes were enacted?

Well, simple response: FU.
I like to sit in NPC corp - don't have to worry about morons declaring wars out of no reason and ganking me with no consequences. This char is purely PVE oriented, and I am not interested in any kind of PVP.
If you don't like it - that should not be my problem. Go find other players rady to PVP and fight with them.
GL!

I disagree that my suggestions add nothing to the game. It would add a protection to PRCs from people who abuse the NPC Corporation Exploit.

I won't even suggest that you yourself are abusing the system. Because, that would be a personal attack on you. I will have faith that you have never once used your protection inside an NPC corp to place a 100k bounty on someone with no risk to yourself or your main characters. Just like you don't use the same character in the NPC corp to protect your main character from getting any backlash inside the game.

My tongue is firmly planted in my cheek as I say those last two sentences.

Your sig:

"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system."

Thank you.

Do you think CCP is going to enact changes that will detrimentally affect a large portion of their player base?

We discussed this in my thread of how the forums caused CCP to change the game when it comes to mining barges being buffed because of the threads complaing about ganking.

Can you imagine the threadnaughts that will ensue if your changes were enacted?

I disagree that my suggestions add nothing to the game.

or you could just move the starting systems away from the trade hubs.

this *is* my main character. i don't use an NPC corp alt to post/do my dirty work. i use an NPC corp character as my main character because the simple fact is; player corps have nothing to offer me.

i fail to see how using an npc corp character to shield a player from backlash is any different to using an alt in a player corp that they never log in, just create a character on an account, put it in a random player corp and send it isk to create bounties. not letting npc corp player use the bounty feature doesn't stop people being able to be "immune to backlash" it just means they have to click 2 more buttons to place a bounty.

it would be quicker, easier, and less hassle to just remove NPC corps if you truly have an issue with them. because your list of "demands" really are ill thought out and terrible. there's no getting around that.

Wahh?

Why is it, people insist on thinking they are the only ones with an opinion?
You need to play more, and worry less about what other players are doing....

I'm not sure what is going to happen. This is why the post was made. I think changes need to be made so I created a post about it. It's the first step. One small post for PRCs; one giant leap for a better gameplay experience. Gotta start somewhere.

Thank you.

True. They add a lot of limitations to it. Heartless, selfish, mean and unnecessary limitations, which is far worse than nothing.

This post wasn't about multiple characters on the same account created to avoid the system. This post is about people (maybe not you specifically) using the 'protection' of an NPC corp to act like a player in a PRC. Your response is talking about something totally different. Feel free to make your own thread regarding multiple characters on the same account (or other accounts) created with the intent to abuse the system.

A second character (on the same account or other account) should be used to play in a different style than the others. Or it can be used to play the game the exact same way but with a different identity. A second account should not be used to abuse the systems of the game. But, once again, feel free to make your own thread discussing this.

Thank you.

Well you have to keep in mind if people are in NPC corps and using that system a great deal that they must really enjoy the benefits of said system.

When you propose major changes to said system, you must realize that people are not going to like said changes and there will have some major resistance to such a suggestion.

If you had taken some time to consider "Will the majority of EvE player accept this change?" then you have to come to conlusion at least the people in the NPC corps would not accept this change, then you have to consider how much of the player base will reject your ideas.

And you can't get to that point simply by posting a forum post. You get some idea, but people don't come out of the woodwork until something really bothers them.

Because the internet creates a strange contradiction of bringing people together yet encouraging solipsism.

That is a wonderful opinion. And I feel that some of the things NPC corp players are allowed to do also add hearless, selfish, mean, and unnecessary limitation to the playstyle of others. This is why the thread was created.

Your negative opinion is noted. Thank you for your time and input.

this *is* my main character. i don't use an NPC corp alt to post/do my dirty work. i use an NPC corp character as my main character because the simple fact is; player corps have nothing to offer me.

i fail to see how using an npc corp character to shield a player from backlash is any different to using an alt in a player corp that they never log in, just create a character on an account, put it in a random player corp and send it isk to create bounties. not letting npc corp player use the bounty feature doesn't stop people being able to be "immune to backlash" it just means they have to click 2 more buttons to place a bounty.

it would be quicker, easier, and less hassle to just remove NPC corps if you truly have an issue with them. because your list of "demands" really are ill thought out and terrible. there's no getting around that.

NPC Corporation Exploit.

especially since npc corp players already have less tools at their disposal.

Well you have to keep in mind if people are in NPC corps and using that system a great deal that they must really enjoy the benefits of said system.

Unless you are privy to information that the rest of us are not, I suggest you stop with the FUD.

An exploit is what CCP says an exploit is. Using an exploit is a bannable offense. I haven't seen anything lately about being banned for belonging to an NPC corp, so as far as I can tell, there is no exploit.


Mr Epeen

That is a wonderful opinion. And I feel that some of the things NPC corp players are allowed to do also add hearless, selfish, mean, and unnecessary limitation to the playstyle of others. This is why the thread was created.

Your negative opinion is noted. Thank you for your time and input.

And as they say, two wrongs don't make a right.

I suppose you'll put this down as yet another negative opinion.

So, anything else on what my post was about? Do you disagree with everything? Do you feel that the system is working 100% fine and you can see NO OPPORTUNITY to add positive change to the current system?

Thank you.