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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:43:00 -
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1. Place bounties on players
2. Place bounties on corps
3. Exist outside of systems less then 0.9 (Maybe 0.8)
4. Rent manufacturing or research slots in any station that is not owned by their NPC corp
(This goes both ways. Those slots should be reserved for the members of that NPC corp.)
5. Have jump-clones in any station not owned by their NPC corp.
6. Going with #3; be able to mine ice or ore outside of their allowed systems (1.0 or 0.9; alternatively 0.8 if allowed in those)
7. Activate modules on players that are not in other NPC corps.
8. Place market orders and contracts. Market ORDERS. They can still buy and sell using the 'immediate' function.
3.a. Perhaps it should be that they are allowed to enter systems lower than 0.9 (0.8), but they should be restricted to what they can do in these systems. I don't want to suggest that 'anyone should be able to fire upon them as if in a war', but that might be an option.
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There are many aspects of this game that are ruined, just ruined, by actions of players in NPC corporations. The bounty thing is one of the major ones. Hopefully, someone out there will agree that the leash needs to be tightened on most of the people that use the NPC Corporation Exploit when performing harmful actions towards another player or corporation.
I do not wish to force people to 'play my way' or anything like that. I feel that NPC corporations offer a place for newer players to cut their teeth in this game. But, it also allows older players (alts) to abuse the system and hide behind an anonymous flag, so to speak. Also, people who use an NPC corporation alt for 'legitimate reasons' (market alt is one of them) should not be affected by this in a negative fashion. Most market alts don't even undock. So fear of being wardec'd shouldn't be an issue. And, if you are one of those market alts that does undock, well... Welcome to the way the rest of us play! Now you have to worry about your actions and declarations just like the rest of us.
This thread was opened to discuss this thought process. And to meet other like-minded pod pilots. For those who think this needs to be moved to a different forum (Feature & Ideas), keep your opinion to yourself and let the Devs sort it out. But, as much as it might need to have a discussion in the F&I forum, I feel that it also needs to be brought up in GD. Even though I know that a bunch of people will troll this.
Discuss. |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:43:00 -
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Reserved. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:44:00 -
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Reserved.
"The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:46:00 -
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Wahh? 
Why is it, people insist on thinking they are the only ones with an opinion?
You need to play more, and worry less about what other players are doing....
The single biggest danger to EVE is the proliferation of ALTS! Kill an alt today!
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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KrakizBad
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:46:00 -
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Reserved.
www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |
Vexen Lyre
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:46:00 -
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Docked in Jita - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant |
Vallista
Kenshin.
Corcoran State
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:48:00 -
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Sol Weinstein wrote:
3. Exist outside of systems less then 0.9 (Maybe 0.8)
Discuss.
So, you are saying that they should never be able to leave their starting system until they join a player corp? When I leave my player corp, I should be stuck in that system until I join another corp?
Did you think this through?
Allow me to respectfully disagree. The rest of your positions are a little odd, but this one is terrible. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:49:00 -
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and we have a new winner for "worst thread of the day"
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:50:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Wahh? Why is it, people insist on thinking they are the only ones with an opinion? You need to play more, and worry less about what other players are doing....
Did you read the whole post. If so, then you missed the point. In fact, I requested other opinions.
In order to have a discussion about opinions, one must make an opinion known. This is mine.
Discuss. |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:50:00 -
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So tell me how again will moving all these NPC corp people into one man corps will solve your perceived problem?
You know, one man corps that are recycled every time a war dec happens... Or do you want a button on your keyboard that forces people to undock so you can shoot them?
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:50:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Why is it, people insist on thinking they are the only ones with an opinion?
Because the internet creates a strange contradiction of bringing people together yet encouraging solipsism. |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:51:00 -
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Vallista wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:
3. Exist outside of systems less then 0.9 (Maybe 0.8)
Discuss.
So, you are saying that they should never be able to leave their starting system until they join a player corp? When I leave my player corp, I should be stuck in that system until I join another corp? Did you think this through? Allow me to respectfully disagree. The rest of your positions are a little odd, but this one is terrible.
Starting systems are 1.0. So, no. I am not saying they should never be able to leave. Please re-read my post.
Also, because of the one idea you don't agree with, do you not support any of the others?
Thank you.
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T' Elk
Happy Little Spaceships
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:51:00 -
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Stop. Just...no. No.
~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~
// Inferno Came. It was meh. //
The Beard is Back, Ladies and Gents! |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:53:00 -
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i've just read the OP again, and i'm struggling to figure out how this isn't a troll thread.
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:53:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:So tell me how again will moving all these NPC corp people into one man corps will solve your perceived problem?
You know, one man corps that are recycled every time a war dec happens... Or do you want a button on your keyboard that forces people to undock so you can shoot them?
No I do not think they should move into one man corps. Please go back and read all of my post.
No, I do not want a button forcing people to undock. What I want is for the game mechanics to not allow an abuse of the system. And, to restrict the players that use the exploit of an NPC corporation.
Thank you.
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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:55:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i've just read the OP again, and i'm struggling to figure out how this isn't a troll thread.
Let me help you out. No, it is not a "troll thread". But, if by "troll" you mean, "get a reaction", then I suppose that is somewhat true. I want to get other people to give their opinions on the topic. Not just make a useless post about how they disagree with me.
Thank you.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:57:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i've just read the OP again, and i'm struggling to figure out how this isn't a troll thread.
It's full of sensible and balanced ideas to trade off the use and abuse of wardec immunity through evenhanded disincentives, so I can imagine how the more emotional and vulnerable-feeling EVE-GD posters would consider it extremely provocative. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:57:00 -
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Sol Weinstein wrote:In order to have a discussion about opinions, one must make an opinion known. This is mine.
Discuss.
People hating players in NPC corps is a time honored tradition, but for now the mob has been mostly satisfied with the tax rate that was added to them.
All that would happen if your changes were made is more one player corps would appear, and currently there's another thread made by a guy who has a problem with them. Before we continue this discussion you have to contend with him.
"The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:58:00 -
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Sol Weinstein wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i've just read the OP again, and i'm struggling to figure out how this isn't a troll thread. Let me help you out. No, it is not a "troll thread". But, if by "troll" you mean, "get a reaction", then I suppose that is somewhat true. I want to get other people to give their opinions on the topic. Not just make a useless post about how they disagree with me. Thank you.
ok i'll make it less useless; i disagree with you because your ideas are terrible.
let's look at the bit where you say npc corp members aren't allowed to mine.
why don't we take their guns too?
and stop them placing any market orde- oh wait you already did that...
is there anything they CAN do in an npc corp?
also, how am i meant to finish the industry tutorial in an npc corp if i can't mine?
your ideas are terrible and haven't been thought out at all. hence, it's clearly just trolling. that or you're really, really dumb.
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:00:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i've just read the OP again, and i'm struggling to figure out how this isn't a troll thread. It's full of sensible and balanced ideas to trade off the use and abuse of wardec immunity through evenhanded disincentives, so I can imagine how the more emotional and vulnerable-feeling EVE-GD posters would consider it extremely provocative.
i like sarcasm, hence i like this quote.
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:00:00 -
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Oh. My. God.
How can you make such a list and forget to make the most important rule of all: not allowed to post on the forum!?
Wait, how come you are ...?
SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:00:00 -
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This isn't about war decs. Please do not confuse my corp name with the intentions of this thread.
In fact, the only real things I find to be of true importance are points #1 and #2. They show how anyone can abuse the system. I find it quite odd that a literal lackey of a huge corporation can defame a corporation by issuing bounties while under their employment.
This is a real world issue, too. How many HR departments have had seminars regarding "actions outside the workplace"? The answer is: all of them. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:02:00 -
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Personally, I think there is no way to truly make a wardec and overall PvP 'gamestyle' fit in an economically competitive player-driven PVP game and that they should all be effectively removed by making them deccable. But penning them up in some sort of 'gold farmer pen" in 0.9 and 1.0 systems might be a sensible alternative. Another good idea I heard was from Marlona Sky, saying that NPC corps should be barred from using specific kinds of ships like freighters. What do you think Sol? |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:02:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i've just read the OP again, and i'm struggling to figure out how this isn't a troll thread. Let me help you out. No, it is not a "troll thread". But, if by "troll" you mean, "get a reaction", then I suppose that is somewhat true. I want to get other people to give their opinions on the topic. Not just make a useless post about how they disagree with me. Thank you. also, how am i meant to finish the industry tutorial in an npc corp if i can't mine? your ideas are terrible and haven't been thought out at all. hence, it's clearly just trolling. that or you're really, really dumb.
You can mine in the 1.0 system you are currently getting the tutorial mission in. So, I guess your last comment which personally attacks me should be turned around towards you.
Thank you.
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:05:00 -
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Sol Weinstein wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i've just read the OP again, and i'm struggling to figure out how this isn't a troll thread. Let me help you out. No, it is not a "troll thread". But, if by "troll" you mean, "get a reaction", then I suppose that is somewhat true. I want to get other people to give their opinions on the topic. Not just make a useless post about how they disagree with me. Thank you. also, how am i meant to finish the industry tutorial in an npc corp if i can't mine? your ideas are terrible and haven't been thought out at all. hence, it's clearly just trolling. that or you're really, really dumb. You can mine in the 1.0 system you are currently getting the tutorial mission in. So, I guess your last comment which personally attacks me should be turned around towards you. Thank you.
except those systems get mined out within hours of downtime which will leave any one outside of the euro time zone perpetually unable to complete the tutorial due to the belts being mined out.
it wasn't a personal attack, it was an observation made fact by the contents of your posts.
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:05:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Personally, I think there is no way to truly make a wardec and overall PvP 'gamestyle' fit in an economically competitive player-driven PVP game and that they should all be effectively removed by making them deccable. But penning them up in some sort of 'gold farmer pen" in 0.9 and 1.0 systems might be a sensible alternative. Another good idea I heard was from Marlona Sky, saying that NPC corps should be barred from using specific kinds of ships like freighters. What do you think Sol?
I believe looking at some of the restrictions that are placed on Trial Accounts might be used effectively on players in NPC corps.
And to go into another part of my post.
Just because the first post isn't the greatest doesn't mean that something of value cannot be taken from it. Maybe Player Run Corporations can buy some sort of protection from CONCORD or their faction NPC corp of choice to allow them to operate in mostly the way they operate in an actual NPC corp.
For those just personally attacking me, I feel bad for you.
An idea can be molded. But not like some of you are trying to do it.
Thank you. |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:07:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i've just read the OP again, and i'm struggling to figure out how this isn't a troll thread. Let me help you out. No, it is not a "troll thread". But, if by "troll" you mean, "get a reaction", then I suppose that is somewhat true. I want to get other people to give their opinions on the topic. Not just make a useless post about how they disagree with me. Thank you. also, how am i meant to finish the industry tutorial in an npc corp if i can't mine? your ideas are terrible and haven't been thought out at all. hence, it's clearly just trolling. that or you're really, really dumb. You can mine in the 1.0 system you are currently getting the tutorial mission in. So, I guess your last comment which personally attacks me should be turned around towards you. Thank you. except those systems get mined out within hours of downtime which will leave any one outside of the euro time zone perpetually unable to complete the tutorial due to the belts being mined out. it wasn't a personal attack, it was an observation made fact by the contents of your posts.
It was a personal attack. The reason that caused you to attack me isn't even important.
Yes, those systems DO get mined out. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a change in the system. Belts can be added. Or [other things] can be done to change that fact.
This is how discussion works. You start with an idea and go from there.
Thank you.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:08:00 -
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Veterans taking advantage of mechanics intended to help rookies (like no ganking in rookie system belts) is the foundation of the whole "NPC corp" phenomenon. Let's get rid of NPC corps as a whole and help the rookies out by driving these creatures from their belts. You bring a good point Dave Stark at the perils of compromising on the issue of NPC corps - it just leads to further problems. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:09:00 -
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Sol Weinstein wrote:It was a personal attack. The reason that caused you to attack me isn't even important.
Yes, those systems DO get mined out. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a change in the system. Belts can be added. Or [other things] can be done to change that fact.
This is how discussion works. You start with an idea and go from there.
Thank you.
the mining system doesn't need changing. why would we change a perfectly fine system to accommodate an even worse system being introduced?
not quite sure you understand how "improvements" work.
your suggestions add nothing to the game.
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:09:00 -
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To clarify, by me stating "cannot mine outside of 1.0/0.9/0.8" it would also mean that PRCs (Player Run Corps) would NOT be able to mine in those systems. Or rent offices. Or lab slots... etc... etc... etc...
Thank you. |
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