Didn't read the whole thread....

3. Exist outside of systems less then 0.9 (Maybe 0.8)

Still trying to understand how being in an NPC corp is "abuse" of game mechanics.

Some people just don't want to deal with the BS that griefers cause.

They already have high tax rates in NPC corps and they don't have the benefits that come with being in a fully funded and well oiled player corp.

Seems like OP just wants to be able to shoot easy targets that can't defend themselves and get a pat on the back for being a big boy now.

Main problem are alts not npc corps. CCP loves alts. Npc corps are irrelevant.

Well, thank you, but I do already know about it, and James himself does not do anything and it is his good right to stay in an NPC corporation or to create as well as disband a corporation. He is not your problem nor are NPC corporations one.

Mmm, your tune changed fast. As long as we're clear about who NPC corp protections really benefit.

1. Place bounties on players
2. Place bounties on corps
3. Exist outside of systems less then 0.9 (Maybe 0.8)
4. Rent manufacturing or research slots in any station that is not owned by their NPC corp
(This goes both ways. Those slots should be reserved for the members of that NPC corp.)
5. Have jump-clones in any station not owned by their NPC corp.
6. Going with #3; be able to mine ice or ore outside of their allowed systems (1.0 or 0.9; alternatively 0.8 if allowed in those)
7. Activate modules on players that are not in other NPC corps.
8. Place market orders and contracts. Market ORDERS. They can still buy and sell using the 'immediate' function.


3.a. Perhaps it should be that they are allowed to enter systems lower than 0.9 (0.8), but they should be restricted to what they can do in these systems. I don't want to suggest that 'anyone should be able to fire upon them as if in a war', but that might be an option.

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There are many aspects of this game that are ruined, just ruined, by actions of players in NPC corporations. The bounty thing is one of the major ones. Hopefully, someone out there will agree that the leash needs to be tightened on most of the people that use the NPC Corporation Exploit when performing harmful actions towards another player or corporation.

I do not wish to force people to 'play my way' or anything like that. I feel that NPC corporations offer a place for newer players to cut their teeth in this game. But, it also allows older players (alts) to abuse the system and hide behind an anonymous flag, so to speak. Also, people who use an NPC corporation alt for 'legitimate reasons' (market alt is one of them) should not be affected by this in a negative fashion. Most market alts don't even undock. So fear of being wardec'd shouldn't be an issue. And, if you are one of those market alts that does undock, well... Welcome to the way the rest of us play! Now you have to worry about your actions and declarations just like the rest of us.

This thread was opened to discuss this thought process. And to meet other like-minded pod pilots. For those who think this needs to be moved to a different forum (Feature & Ideas), keep your opinion to yourself and let the Devs sort it out. But, as much as it might need to have a discussion in the F&I forum, I feel that it also needs to be brought up in GD. Even though I know that a bunch of people will troll this.

Discuss.

I do not wish to force people to 'play my way' or anything like that. I feel that NPC corporations offer a place for newer players to cut their teeth in this game. But, it also allows older players (alts) to abuse the system and hide behind an anonymous flag, so to speak. Also, people who use an NPC corporation alt for 'legitimate reasons' (market alt is one of them) should not be affected by this in a negative fashion. Most market alts don't even undock. So fear of being wardec'd shouldn't be an issue. And, if you are one of those market alts that does undock, well... Welcome to the way the rest of us play! Now you have to worry about your actions and declarations just like the rest of us.
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So tell me how again will moving all these NPC corp people into one man corps will solve your perceived problem?

You know, one man corps that are recycled every time a war dec happens... Or do you want a button on your keyboard that forces people to undock so you can shoot them?

In what way exactly does my post allude to the falsity that I want to be "able to shoot easy targets that can't defend themselves" ?? Read it again... In what way EXACTLY did I state what you claim?

Furthermore, who said ANYTHING about not defending oneself? In fact, a player in an NPC corp who places a bounty on another player or corp takes away the ability of the bountied player/corp to 'defend themselves'.

High tax rates? When I file my taxes this year I'll add in a note to the IRS how anything above 11% is "too high". 11% too high... as if. If my thread wasn't titled "Players in NPC Corps should not be able to:", I would have added [my opinion] that the tax should be higher. As in 50%. Yes. I feel that the NPC corp tax should be 50%.

What benefits of a PRC are you referring to specifically? Now, if at least ONE of my suggestions was implemented, you MIGHT be able to claim that there is a benefit to being in a PRC. But I'll play along. Name ONE benefit a PRC gets over an NPC corp besides a variable tax rate. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Thank you.

Play.

Please feel free to list the missing tools at their disposal.

(Also, they SHOULD have less tools at their disposal. At least in my opinion. Opinion... the point of this thread.)

Thank you.

I think NPC corps are actually used for 2 purpose:

1. For new or realuvely new players still looking around and getting the basic of the game.

2. Old players using them (with their main or their alts) to get advantage and, on some extend, exploiting the advantages and protections given by NPC corps.


I think the #2 should be severely nerfed.

So I agree with the OP general idea, but most of the changes he proposed are not a realistic option; like limiting ppl in NPC copr to 1.0, 0.9, negating mining and so on. This would results simply in cutting the legs for true new players that need to graps the general meanings of the game and evaluate the options they have. Other ideas may be more intersting (like limiting station services to the NPC copr you belong or denying the bounties options).

In general most of the "protections" and advantage offered by NPC corps are a benefit only for experienced players that know how to take advantage of the system.

So instead of totally denying some aspects of the game (that would be disruptive for new players) I think should be more a progressive pushing to leave the NPC corp making stay there not convenient.

No, the ONLY possibvle motivation you could have is you want people to play just like you do

I haven't read the thread

PRCs have access to cumulative wealth of the members in terms of knowledge and experience, access to stockpiles of items, ships, resources, skill capability and teamwork. Social networks that can organize fleets, persue and create emergent gameplay, place a monopoly on entire star systems, ensure members get crucial training, and the ability to set tax rate to 0%.

People in NPC corps are 95% people playing solo to benefit from not being able to be forced to play to the whim of other players through wardecs, 5% are new players just starting.

Your entire OP reeks of arrogance and an assumption that people have to play the game to your liking. If it's so great to be in an NPC corp why aren't you in one? Shouldn't you be reaping the supposed great benefit that so many you hate are doing?

You sound like a little kid that wants to run the sandbox and are mad that someone smarter than you found a way to enjoy their gameplay time that much more and you want it gone.

The point of the game is to have fun, not to "play the way Sol Weinstein wants everyone to play".

Reserved.

Also. I like the part about players in an npc corporation not being able to leave basic starting areas, to interact with other players, and find new corps to join through running into people, or being able to explore the game a little before they purchase it.

I think anything that further restricts new players from enjoying the game, and steers them away from it, is excellent business sense, and CCP should hire the OP immediately. His ideas are sound and without flaw. With his vision, we will eradicate much of the playerbase, and have a pure, pvp oriented eve, free of hauler/npc industrialist/mission runner/highsec miner scum!

While I completely agree that something should be done to make long term membership of an NPC corp less attractive I think the OP is a little extreme.

No character, regardless of what corp they are a member of should be restricted in the kind of system they can go into, or not have the ability to use their spaceship to affect the spaceships of other players, the ability to go wherever you want and do whatever you want to anyone so long as you're willing to accept the consequences are the fundamental aspects of the game and no person who is paying a subscription for this game should be restricted from them.

By all means make being in an NPC corp suck balls by putting a big old tax on all market transactions or even do something lore-fitting like have all non-rookie NPC corps be at war with the non-rookie NPC corps of their factional enemies (I mean people keep saying that the empires are meant to be at war with eachother, but it's pretty hard to tell). But the basic functionality of the game should remain intact.

What you describe is propably intentional, but it might not seem that way to you, since you're missing one important reason the NPC corps exist in the first place. That is to provide a final safe haven for all players to recuperate and lick their wounds. It's there to make sure you can't be griefed out of the game by in-game means. That reason for existing is specifically targeted for old and new players. No matter what enemies you make and how many people you **** off there needs to be an area where you can go get back on your feet and gather resources to try again. It's where people go when they're tired of the normal stressful drama and just want to get away from it all for a while. It ensures, that you always have other options besides quitting the game when you're driven to a corner or just need a break.

war decs.
if they already have less tools, why are you making a redundant thread?

Is this the only "tool" you could think of? Wardecs? I think it goes without saying that NPC corps wish to avoid wardecs. You mentioned less tools... ToolS... Plural. So, I will accept 'wardecs' as the first tool in your list. Care to add more?

Name a second thing that NPC corps cannot do that a PRC can out-of-the-box. Keep in mind that even a PRC cannot just use ALL the tools upon day one of creation. They have to work at some of the things, too.

Thank you.

i said tools because wardecs belong to a set of tools, plural.
also your suggestions don't add anything to the game, i have no idea why this thread is even being taken seriously.

all you're suggesting is making the game unplayable to a subset of players. it doesn't address any issues and is a complete waste of CCP's time

And I offered you the chance to list them. This is your point in time to step up to the plate and discuss the topic in a meaningful way. Since you have obviously not taken that opportunity, it is your loss.

My suggestions aren't intended to add anything to the game. They are intended to open discussion about the game mechanics. But to clarify your point, yes. My suggestions are designed to remove a safety feature that is being abused by a percentage of the playerbase and still retain the benefits of the system for the intended audience: new players.

In what way do the changes I propose make the game unplayable? But I know that you won't offer a direct answer to my questions or ideas because you have failed at every single opportunity so far.

I went and modified some of the original post. I suggest you go and read them OR bow out of the discussion. You can only choose one.

Maybe you should just remove this thread from your watch list and move on to another topic.

Thank you.