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zxcvbn
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:07:00 -
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After training almost all new skills at L4 i can say one thing:
!!! msg to all Caldary get yourself a mining pick & helmet and go somewhere to mine forever !!! ( till CCP do something to fix this )
let mine, mine, mine this is Caldari new song :)
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Atina Palada
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:13:00 -
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Previos was writen by me!
400 torps to kill 4 frigs. And the real problem is not a frig the real problem is cruisers. It doesent matter what you fire cruises or torps. Time to kill one cruiser is like time to kill BS's. This is realy stupid ( every non caldary BS's will do this 5 time faster ). In PvP all frig and cruisers will never use Mwd and in that case cruisers will be realy undestructable for Raven pilots. Dont mention for HAC.
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:23:00 -
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you're nuts, caldari has the worst mining ships..
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I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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Atina Palada
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:26:00 -
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yep and they now have a worst battleships
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:27:00 -
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Look a thred with no content. How about some 7.5km forum scramblers on this one, mods? -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please.
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Siroc
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:27:00 -
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lol, get into your Ofsprey and start at that roid...NOW!
Originally by: ErrorS you're nuts, caldari has the worst mining ships..
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Atina Palada
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:34:00 -
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The truth is that a POWERHOUSE OF THE CALDARI NAVY cant kill a single cruiser!!!
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Embattle
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:35:00 -
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If you try and use Torps on frigs then you shouldn't do any thing apart from mine.
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Dirus
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:37:00 -
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Try using light missiles on frigates and heavies on cruisers. Maybe a target painter or two. You're Caldari, you must keep up-to-date on all the new missile changes! ********** Everyone deserves to die. You go first.
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Seth Killbain
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:38:00 -
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Your using the wrong tools, stop discrediting the actual argument about the REAL problem with the system.
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Atina Palada
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:40:00 -
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torps do more base dmg then cruises to frig. One cruise do 18-19 shield on sansha one torp do 24-25. I meen when frigs do not use MWD. Same is for cruisers torps do more base dmg then cruise. If frigs and cruises use MWD then again torp do more dmg then cruise. I have already 4 new skills at level 4 and for me most of them are nothing. Specialy target navigation prediction and guided missile precision. It doesent metter what level you have things are the same.
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DayVV4lkEr
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: DayVV4lkEr on 14/07/2005 16:40:59 I'm Caldari, too. And i don't like the patch very much, but what i absolutly DON'T like is that every second thread on Ships and Modules is kind of whining about the changes.
Caldari Ships suck now, ok, but come on. CCP will see that there are no Raven pilots anymore that no one flys a cerberus (worst HAC i guess) and that at all, almost no one will use missiles.
STOP the whining i guess one thread is enough!
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Atina Palada
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:45:00 -
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Im a Raven pilot and like my Raven, but this new skills are realy stupid or at least didnt work. I use EM torps and cruise against sansha even fit my Raven with both to see differences and that was real true. And target painters are stupid for use thay up dmg from 18 to 23-24. Again i say this dmg's are when the frig or cruisers do not use Mwd. And for me in real PvP battle you are flying at frig or cruiser you must be real stupid to use Mwd against missile boat.
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Atina Palada
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:48:00 -
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I agree with DayVV4lkEr that CCP must do something to fix this.
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Dirus
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:49:00 -
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You guys are missing the point. CCP doesn't want people to use cruise missiles and torpedoes against frigates and cruisers. I get 130 damage on frigates using a Caracal and light Bloodclaw missiles.
What CCP did, most effective weapons for target: Frigates: Rockets & Light Missiles Cruisers: Light & Heavy Missiles Battleships: Cruise Missiles & Torpedoes
(Dunno about BCs, probably Heavy and Cruise Missiles) ********** Everyone deserves to die. You go first.
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King Dave
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:50:00 -
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no lol, ravens arnt crap hahahha u nubs, they just cant do everything all at once now, they are more equal with other battleships. before they could fit 4 BCU's and still have an awesome tank.. Tehy are very much equal now to other bs' also once a cruiser get in close to any bs without a webber they are screwed....
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 14/07/2005 16:57:30 Okay, I'll be the first to admit that the damage vs. smaller ships needs to be upped by about 25% to allow Ravens to break the tanks of assault frigs and HACs without taking forever to do it, but it's not all doom-and-gloom.
I ran into a deimos at a station the other day, warped in at 80km, and proceeded to fire off 3 paradise cruise and 3 devastator cruise (EM and explosive, respectively). With a couple of damage mods, these completely destroyed the deimos' shield and took out 25% of his armor - and this was just the first volley (he warped out immediately thereafter). Admittedly, he must not have had an explosive hardener, but one volley of cruise missiles really messed his HAC up.
Truth be told, there are some really sick things you can do with a Raven fitting, especially now that Advanced Weapons Upgrades is on the table and tech 2 launchers are about to make their appearance. You can even use a Raven for long-range engagements, now, thanks to the increased velocity of cruise missiles. Yes, it takes a while to kill frigs, now, but that's when combining the use of drones with your missile assault becomes useful.
EDIT: I'll also be the first to admit that the smaller Caldari missile boats got the shaft: the Crow, Kestrel, and Cerberus all get a bonus to kinetic missile damage - which does't help much against the assault ships and HACs which have that tanked to the max just from their ship bonus. When you combine this with the slow refire rate on most launchers, the Caldari missile boats become useless, excluding the Raven.
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Atina Palada
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Posted - 2005.07.14 16:59:00 -
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All other ships can easy kill cruiser with his main guns. Thats impossible for Ravens now. I see here friend who use mega and see his 425mm to do regulary 100-200 sometimes perfectly do 500-600 dmg to cruisers.
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DayVV4lkEr
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:01:00 -
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The main problem I see is not the raven, the raven is fine now. The problem i see are the smaller caldari missile boats like the caracal and the cerberus. A cruiser should be able to kill a frig and a HAC should be able to kill an assault ship, or did i get somethingwrong ?????
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Atina Palada All other ships can easy kill cruiser with his main guns. Thats impossible for Ravens now. I see here friend who use mega and see his 425mm to do regulary 100-200 sometimes perfectly do 500-600 dmg to cruisers.
Um...with the new missile skills at 3, my Raven's missiles are doing roughly 200 damage per hit to cruisers - and one helluva lot more if that Thorax pilot is stupid enough to activate his MWD.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:04:00 -
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Ok I've managed to decypher the first post "Boohooo I'm too stupid to adapt and use a new fitting on my raven" Seems to be about it. ------------------------------------------
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Dirus
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz Ok I've managed to decypher the first post "Boohooo I'm too stupid to adapt and use a new fitting on my raven" Seems to be about it.
Right on.... ********** Everyone deserves to die. You go first.
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Zaintiraris
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Posted - 2005.07.14 18:38:00 -
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I think it is very inefficient to createa new thread for each person that wants to make a comment on this issue. Honestly, if I were in the forum trolls position at CCP, theres no way I'd pay attention to every single thread.
Now, I think we should nerf multiple threads back to the stone age and create the one thread (to rule them all) and throw everyone who feels like *****ing in there. ---
Originally by: CCP Hammer This game was so much better back before people knew math.
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Destroyer Draxx
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Posted - 2005.07.14 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dirus Try using light missiles on frigates and heavies on cruisers. Maybe a target painter or two. You're Caldari, you must keep up-to-date on all the new missile changes!
I tried, result = crap dmg. If u need a web n target painter to do full dmg with heavies missiles n come one heavy missiles were not famous for the huge amounts of dmg they cause. Look at the Cerberus thread. Btw this thread is going to attract all those really smart n uber ppl who have never used missiles of any sort but seem to know everything about them. So Far So Good....So What |
Cannedbeef
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Posted - 2005.07.14 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: King Dave no lol, ravens arnt crap hahahha u nubs, they just cant do everything all at once now, they are more equal with other battleships. before they could fit 4 BCU's and still have an awesome tank.. Tehy are very much equal now to other bs' also once a cruiser get in close to any bs without a webber they are screwed....
yes, but once a cruiser gets in close to a Raven with 2 webs and 3 TP's, the raven is still screwed. :)
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.07.14 21:44:00 -
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Maybe it's a bug or something, but Raven DO get a bonus to smaller launchers such as Assault Launcher whereas no other BShip get a bonus for their smaller weapons. (also introducing such a bonus on all ships would lead to ALL cruisers going around with frig weapons instead of just the current most.) -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please.
Josameto III - Moon 1 |
Rogthgar
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Posted - 2005.07.14 21:51:00 -
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Theres still a big bunch of whiners out there that feel that they've got 120mill worth of useless bs in their hangar.
I wonder if u ever considered that the changes are meant to make the raven more like the other bs.
If u are whining about the raven being useless for NPC hunting, because u cant kill everything within 80km of u with torps. I will personally testify the untruthful ness of this. I soloed a lvl4 Extravaganza, with my 6 siege launchers on my raven. The cruiser/frig problem u whining people is solved by using that drone bay u also have. During that mission i popped the bs with torps and let the drones deal with the "lesser" rats. Only fired the torps when there where too many cruisers on me for my tank to handle.
For you that PvP, ive never seen a pirt in action in a raven, its always megas, apoc's and the occational scorp.
Right..we have now whined enough about the missiles. Plz change subject, this one is getting thin.
Btw: the are only 2 cruisers worth mining in, one of them is the Osprey. "Since when have you been afraid of a little insanity? Since, when have we even been sane?" (\_/) (O.o) -!- -!- <-- "This was Bunny, held a decent meal" |
ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.07.14 22:14:00 -
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It's fairly obvious that there are two problems currently:
A) There are some kinks that it looks like CCP has to iron out. I don't have any problems with the low damage a torpedo does to a frigate, but I do have problems with things such as damages not registering, torpedos hitting structures for low damage, lack of Ballistic Control IIs (granted, a Raven nerf would probably be required to prevent it becoming the king of BS combat), problems with the Cerberus (meager damage output and lack of drone bay causing trouble versus small fast targets), and perhaps adding modules that help reduce missile explosion radius and explosion velocity, much in the same way turrets have tracking computers and enhancers.
B) Players aren't adapting as well as they should. It DOES bother me to see people come on and ***** about how they're trying to kill frigates with torpedos and haven't bothered to train the Target Navigation Prediction skill (Guided Missile Precision is understandable, it doesn't effect torps). A torpedo is an anti-BS weapon, and we as missile users need to understand that and change how we play. Fit Cruise in situations where we need to deal with smaller ships, train the skills, provide constructive critique and ideas on the forums, and deal with the situation as best we can.
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DayVV4lkEr
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Posted - 2005.07.14 22:32:00 -
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Here is the same thing happing like in every other post about MISSILES (and not the raven) before.
Don't know why everyone thinks Cladaris are ****ed because the Raven got the overhaul (it was one in the ravens case) it needed.
The only thing most ppl that fly caldari missile ships don't understand is why the cerberus as a HAC can't kill an AF, what any other HAC CAN do. Why can't the caracal kill frigs ? We are not talking about the raven, we are talking about Missiles and the raven isn't the only missileboat.
And for the uber intelligent that say put assault launchers on your cerberus. Tried to kill a deimos with assault launchers ? It can't be a solution that a HAC only can kill frigs or AFs if it goes this way and ONLY this way. Maybe the Cerberus needs a little drone bay.... (but that is a other thread)
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Gareth Angel
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Posted - 2005.07.14 22:42:00 -
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As far as I know the changes work out pretty good. Except for hits not registering ( I haven't had that myself, but I've heard it before ) the whole missile overhaul works fine imho.
I also know there are a lot of Raven pilots who still understand the slightly adapted game-mechanics, and adapted themselves just as such.
I just cannot understand the others - the types that say 'oh no, my Raven cannot wtfpwnbbq all other ships with much ease anymore'. So you can't kill a cruiser with that nice big shiny Raven of yours? So maybe it's time you get out of it for once, get yourself a nice cruiser of your own and show them totally overpowered cruiser-pilots that have been bugging you and your Raven to oblivion that you can kick ass as well.
You know, it really doesn't hurt to get out of that favorite ship of yours and try something else for a change. Eve's got plenty to offer. Go find out.
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