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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2708
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:24:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Ok, So 500-600M was more an ideal max
So, exactly what I said.
You are not going to get a 2.3b drop (avg scanned value 4.6b) coming through a gate every 15 minutes.
If you're using multiple alts, you need to account for the cost of them as well (as in divide the payout by all accounts being used in the operation) to come up with comprable ISK/hr numbers (otherwise the Wis mining ISE is the best ISK/hr in the game).
It also takes more than 12 fleetmembers (btw, the Hauler is also on a 15 min cooldown now) to run a gank squad.
In other words you are making a ton of absolutely ridiculous assumptions (all making errors on the side of making ganking seem more profitable) in order to come up with all of your over the top "estimates."
And finally, I still never paid my ::tenbux::
Oh, and mission running income is not absolutely dependent on the idiocy of other players. You're acting like you think gankworthy freighters are spawned by NPCs. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Kzkkns r'kst
Spaceriders Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.04.09 09:18:00 -
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Also consider maxing out mechanics, hull upgrades, spaceship command etc.
With a freighter having no module slots, that extra gain of agility and hitpoints from the core skills could mean the difference from life and death. |
Dave Stark
2502
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Posted - 2013.04.09 11:17:00 -
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Kzkkns r'kst wrote:Also consider maxing out mechanics, hull upgrades, spaceship command etc.
With a freighter having no module slots, that extra gain of agility and hitpoints from the core skills could mean the difference from life and death.
thankfully, the agility skill is becoming a prerequisite to train in to a freighter now.
then again if a few seconds off your align time, or a few thousand more ehp will save you then you're being ganked by terrible players. Maggie Thatcher. |
Sola Mercury
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2013.04.12 14:24:00 -
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Bob Killan wrote: Always use warp to zero, and if you absolutelly have to carry some high value stuff, run a few test flights with a shuttle and try to map the best route, that is the route that requires less alligning between jumps even if it takes you extra jumps. You may find that warping to a sun/planet and warping from there to the gate can break your allign time by doing half the turn to get to the planet/sun and the other half to get to th gate. This will cut down the time you're sat around as a sitting duck.
This is wrong advice. A ship with zero velocity needs the same space of time to enter warp for all possible directions.
I use a minmatar recon to double web my freighter. It takes like +- 5 seconds to get the freighter into warp. The most important stat for the webber is the webber range.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2010
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:27:00 -
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I did some statistics on Freighter Ganks in Uedama last month...
There were 50 ganks between the 3-31rst of March. 48 seemed to be suicide ganks. 4 were ganked empty (due to bad standings with goons), 4 were ganked because they had double-wrapped packages, 4 were ganked with a cargo between 0.4-3b isk.
In general, your chances of getting ganked are very slim... and if you carry under 1b isk in cargo, your chances are extremely slim (i.e.you'll have a better chance of being struck by lightening!).
With this in mind, there are a few points I suggest above and beyond the "don't be a loot pinata" rule. If you are carry a blingy load, the options below help reduce your risks:
A.) The safest means when carrying valuable cargo is to use a web-to-warp scout. You need to be traveling at 75% of max velocity to enter warp, and webbing your ship instantly reduces it's max velocity, but doesn't instantly reduce your max speed. Using 60% webs (t2 or meta 4 or various faction), 2 webs will reduce the max velocity of a freighter from ~100 m/s to ~19 m/s, and 13 m/s with 3 webs. 75% of this speed is 10 m/s, which takes only a few seconds to achieve. Carefully timing the webs allows you typically enter warp before anyone can bump you... but can be inhibited by a suicide tackler.
B.) Another method is to enter suicide gank systems in an unexpected manner. For example, if you're traveling to Amarr from Jita, you generally go through Niarja. The autopilot typically has you travel Amar -> Ashab -> Madirmilire -> Niarja. Don't jump directly from Madirmilire to Niarja... but instead go Madirmilire -> Bahroma -> Niarja. You could still get ganked in Niarja, but usually scouts don't "follow" your progress (yet), so they will generally be setup on the Madirmilire gate rather than the Bahroma gate in Niarja, Which allows you to bypass their suicide camp.
C.) Another method to use is to dock up prior to entering a suicide gank system. For example, if you're traveling jita to amarr through Niarja, set your destination to Kaaputenen and dock up there for 15 minutes or so. In general, your ship's assets are scanned earlier in the pipe so suicide gankers have time to prep an attack. They generally gank in 0.5 systems, as concord takes the longest to respond in these systems. By taking the break, they may assume you dropped off goods, or took a different route... and may write you off as a target. The longer the break, the more effective this technique works... and if truly AFK hauling (while at work, or asleep), breaking the trip into 2 parts (Part 1: Amarr -> Madirmilire, dock up/log off. Part 2: Log on, manually fly through Niarja, Autopilot to Jita), you're unlikely to be a target as no-one will have recently pre-scanned you prior to entering Niarja.
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Sola Mercury
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:08:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: I did some statistics on Freighter Ganks in Uedama last month...
There were 50 ganks between the 3-31rst of March. 48 seemed to be suicide ganks. 4 were ganked empty (due to bad standings with goons), 4 were ganked because they had double-wrapped packages, 4 were ganked with a cargo between 0.4-3b isk.
In general, your chances of getting ganked are very slim... and if you carry under 1b isk in cargo, your chances are extremely slim (i.e.you'll have a better chance of being struck by lightening!).
With this in mind, there are a few points I suggest above and beyond the "don't be a loot pinata" rule. If you are carry a blingy load, the options below help reduce your risks:
A.) The safest means when carrying valuable cargo is to use a web-to-warp scout. You need to be traveling at 75% of max velocity to enter warp, and webbing your ship instantly reduces it's max velocity, but doesn't instantly reduce your max speed. Using 60% webs (t2 or meta 4 or various faction), 2 webs will reduce the max velocity of a freighter from ~100 m/s to ~19 m/s, and 13 m/s with 3 webs. 75% of this speed is 10 m/s, which takes only a few seconds to achieve. Carefully timing the webs allows you typically enter warp before anyone can bump you... but can be inhibited by a suicide tackler.
B.) Another method is to enter suicide gank systems in an unexpected manner. For example, if you're traveling to Amarr from Jita, you generally go through Niarja. The autopilot typically has you travel Amar -> Ashab -> Madirmilire -> Niarja. Don't jump directly from Madirmilire to Niarja... but instead go Madirmilire -> Bahroma -> Niarja. You could still get ganked in Niarja, but usually scouts don't "follow" your progress (yet), so they will generally be setup on the Madirmilire gate rather than the Bahroma gate in Niarja, Which allows you to bypass their suicide camp.
C.) Another method to use is to dock up prior to entering a suicide gank system. For example, if you're traveling jita to amarr through Niarja, set your destination to Kaaputenen and dock up there for 15 minutes or so. In general, your ship's assets are scanned earlier in the pipe so suicide gankers have time to prep an attack. They generally gank in 0.5 systems, as concord takes the longest to respond in these systems. By taking the break, they may assume you dropped off goods, or took a different route... and may write you off as a target. The longer the break, the more effective this technique works... and if truly AFK hauling (while at work, or asleep), breaking the trip into 2 parts (Part 1: Amarr -> Madirmilire, dock up/log off. Part 2: Log on, manually fly through Niarja, Autopilot to Jita), you're unlikely to be a target as no-one will have recently pre-scanned you prior to entering Niarja.
Listen to him! I wish I could articulate myself so well in english as he does.
The webbing goes like this: Both ships sit with gate cloak near the gate.
- I order the freighter to jump through next gate. ( Freighter starts to gain velocity ) - I change Eve-client window and order webber to approach freighter ( Webber canceles gate cloak and is abel to target) - I target freighter and activate webbs ( Freighter enters war almost instantly) - I order Webber to align next gate and warp to it when I get noticed that webbers have been deactivated. - Webber jumps next gate when aggro Timer finishes.( If freighter has jumped next gate, he keeps his gate cloak, until the webber jumps in)
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1297
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Posted - 2013.04.12 20:52:00 -
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Meh,
I autopilot freighter loads all the time. It is something I can easily do for 12+ hours when I'm working from home. Never had an issue. I keep my loads under ~ 1bil value. (keep in mind collateral =/= value).
If I'm going to go through the trouble of actively flying the beast with a webber alt, I'd go do one of the other far better isk/hour activities I can do. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
548
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Posted - 2013.04.14 02:05:00 -
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Huttan Funaila wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Avoid Uedama, Niarja, Sivala, Jita. A number of the ganks along the Niarja corridor happen in Madirmilire. If you see someone yellow boxing you at a jump gate, go park your ship in a station for a while as they've scanned your cargo and will gank you if they like the value. I agree with this, however many gankers use a passive targeter which allows them to target you without alerting you that you are targeted. As in they can target you and scan your cargo without you ever seeing the yellow box.
As far as how often freighters get ganked. Well it has increased a lot lately. For example Uedama which seem to be a popular ganking system, in the last 6 months has often seen up to 50 freighters ganked per month. more that 6 months ago it was rare to see more than 3-4 per month. 50 freighters per month is not a huge number, but is still a 600% increase over only 6 months. If it keeps rising it will be a real problem.
perimeter used to be a big ganking system, not sure why it has dropped as it is a major choke point on route to Jita. |
Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
401
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Posted - 2013.04.14 04:23:00 -
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Keep flying those freighters...
Me?
When I am doing a high value run, I jump into my crystal clone and my Hauler orca, 248k ehp and dual x-large ASB's.
Bring on the 10...or 12+ Tier 3 BC's please. Nope, I can't haul 900k m3 of cargo,but I sure can haul a bunch of billions in smaller stuff.
Never been bothered yet.
I also stay away on weekends and avoid peak player count times. Oh dark hundred is a great travel time.
Of course I have been tracking the high gank count corps and have them all set as "unfriendly" so if local looked really bad I might dock up but haven't had to yet.
If it's a really high isk haul, I bring command ship(s) with serious boosts escort..heck pushin almost 300k ehp.
If it is a "gamebreaker" load, I have suicided a couple of guys at the key gates just to get concord there.
A load of plex's is just stupid, mixing up your load (unstacking stuff so there is TONS of crap to look at) can't hurt either.
I have personally never bothered with the double wrap thing, and have hauled over 10B loads in the orca.
They are not set up for a serious defense Orca when waiting for freighter ganks Nerf Goons
Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure. |
Fhaerbaline Khent
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.14 05:27:00 -
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They blow up all over NewEden every day. Haul smart, less ganks. |
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Eric Raeder
No Fee Too High
29
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Posted - 2013.04.14 06:00:00 -
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So many killboard reports show 95% of the freighter load's value taking up 5% of the space. If you have high value stuff that will fit in a T2 indy, haul it in the T2 indy. Blockade runners are damn near unstoppable, and the bigger deep space transports can limit their exposure using the MWD cloak trick. Save the freighter for the bulky stuff that won't fit in the indys. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1713
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:04:00 -
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So I was in a Charon and I went to the BPO vendor that stands just outside Jita 4-4 and bought a Charon BPO, but somehow I managed to buy 1120 of them.
I was really confused, because I didn't have that much ISK in my wallet. While I was trying to figure out what had happened and what to do, somebody noticed my cargo and opened-fire. In a panic I just logged-off, and I instantly realized that was pointless. I figured it would make for a historic EVE killmail.
I forgot to mention this was all in a dream [sharp-eyed readers would have wondered about the vendor]. You know you play too much EVE when...
I made several trips today, for real, through Niarja and Uedama with pricey cargo in my Crane. Just got back from Jita 4-4 where I took a tanked Bustard instead to move some pricey and bulky hulls I purchased. All trips completed without any incident.
So the only time I've been ganked while hauling in over 4 years now is in my dreams. |
Wasse
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.04.15 11:30:00 -
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I was ganked once. I had an untanked bestower, with 2 or 3 (I don't remember which right now) hulks in, when hulks were ~180mill a piece. And yeah, I got popped.
Opps. Learned that lesson. never again.
I'll auto pilot my freighter with 1bill or less without a second thought. I'll run it through the gates with 2bill or less. All of this is on an unknown character in an npc corp, so standings won't be an issue.
More than that, I use a jf, in an npc corp (no war-decs), with an exit cyno on the ready. Which means its near impossible to gank.
One tip. Don't double wrap your packages. Unless they are worth a ton. It's sort of like the guy graduating from college that doesn't include the GPA on his resume. You assume it's low. In this case, if you are double wrapped, people will assume it's high.
Follow those tips, your chance now of getting suicide ganked is very low. Sometimes, out of boredom, a random freighter will get ganked. But that is like winning the lottery. Unfortunately for you its the lottery on the Island. |
Zenon Cold
Babylon Holdings
0
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Posted - 2013.04.15 23:17:00 -
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Hi, I'm relatively new player and I got ganked today for my first time. And it was really painful.
Around a month ago I started as a trader doing stationtrading in Amarr, while doing some occasional small 200m isk max shipments from Jita. I earned little bit over one billion isk this way. And for me it was A LOT. I started to be quite good at it, doing spreadsheets and stuff. Today I did extensive market research figuring what would be most profitable to ship from Jita and sell in Amarr. It took me a while and I compiled list of very profitable stuff and went to buy it in my bestower. I arrived in Jita and bought 1 billion isk worth of items. All the money that I earned by trading so far. I knew that something like suicide ganking exists but I didn't know how it works or how fast it is. I didnt have a clue that I cant stand a chance in untanked hauler. I thought that I manage to get away if I'm in high sec. Would I even have a chance if i put some hardeners on it? I have no clue. Well long story short I got popped instantly right after entering system 2 jumps before Amarr. I learned the hard way. All the effort and my free time invested gone in a split of an second.
So now the problem is that I kinda lost interest in playing the game, basically starting all over again. I mean what's the point spending hours and hours playing when you can loose everything in a second. What's the point being in highsec when police doesn't work anyway? Sure I know now, I won't ever haul expensive cargo in a fragile can but what hard lesson comes next? I am scared to go mining with my retriever or buy even more expensive ship, if I can loose it in highsec. I guess this game is not for me :-\
Fly safe, ZC. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1722
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Posted - 2013.04.16 00:51:00 -
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Zenon Cold wrote:So now the problem is that I kinda lost interest in playing the game, basically starting all over again. I mean what's the point spending hours and hours playing when you can loose everything in a second. What's the point being in highsec when police doesn't work anyway? Sure I know now, I won't ever haul expensive cargo in a fragile can but what hard lesson comes next? I am scared to go mining with my retriever or buy even more expensive ship, if I can loose it in highsec. I guess this game is not for me :-\ Did you have fun doing it?
That's the point of EVE.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
282
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Posted - 2013.04.16 06:06:00 -
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Zenon Cold wrote:What's the point being in highsec when police doesn't work anyway?
Just a comment on that. In EVE, the police's job is to punish infractions of the law, not to protect you. They would have punished your attackers for their unprovoked attack, however the value of the cargo you were hauling far outweighed the value of the ships the attackers needed.
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Nykr
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.04.16 15:40:00 -
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Bob Killan wrote:
Always use warp to zero, and if you absolutelly have to carry some high value stuff, run a few test flights with a shuttle and try to map the best route, that is the route that requires less alligning between jumps even if it takes you extra jumps. You may find that warping to a sun/planet and warping from there to the gate can break your allign time by doing half the turn to get to the planet/sun and the other half to get to th gate. This will cut down the time you're sat around as a sitting duck.
Stop giving out false information. It doesnt matter if your ship is already facing the object you are warping to or has to turn 180 degrees. Both ways take just as long to start warping. This is why you always see freighters initiate warp while they have not fully alinged yet. they reached warp speed faster then they were able to turn. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2024
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Posted - 2013.04.16 17:28:00 -
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Zenon Cold wrote:Hi, I'm relatively new player and I got ganked today for my first time. And it was really painful.
Around a month ago I started as a trader doing stationtrading in Amarr, while doing some occasional small 200m isk max shipments from Jita. I earned little bit over one billion isk this way. And for me it was A LOT. I started to be quite good at it, doing spreadsheets and stuff. Today I did extensive market research figuring what would be most profitable to ship from Jita and sell in Amarr. It took me a while and I compiled list of very profitable stuff and went to buy it in my bestower. I arrived in Jita and bought 1 billion isk worth of items. All the money that I earned by trading so far. I knew that something like suicide ganking exists but I didn't know how it works or how fast it is. I didnt have a clue that I cant stand a chance in untanked hauler. I thought that I manage to get away if I'm in high sec. Would I even have a chance if i put some hardeners on it? I have no clue. Well long story short I got popped instantly right after entering system 2 jumps before Amarr. I learned the hard way. All the effort and my free time invested gone in a split of an second.
So now the problem is that I kinda lost interest in playing the game, basically starting all over again. I mean what's the point spending hours and hours playing when you can loose everything in a second. What's the point being in highsec when police doesn't work anyway? Sure I know now, I won't ever haul expensive cargo in a fragile can but what hard lesson comes next? I am scared to go mining with my retriever or buy even more expensive ship, if I can loose it in highsec. I guess this game is not for me :-\
Fly safe, ZC.
Sorry you lost soo much.... I've had some doozies of losses too.... and it hurts...
Learning who to trust, how to trust, when to trust is important. Seriously, if your neighbor couldn't screw you over by usurping everything you share with him, trusting him wouldn't mean anything.
Just like, if you couldn't lose assets so nonchalantly, accruing them wouldn't be as rewarding.
In the end, it's the ability to lose everything so viciously that makes EvE unlike other MMO's. It's precisely because you can be scammed out of billions or that your precious ship might be killed anytime it undocks, that makes EvE a great game...
Some lessons are cheap... some are expensive... I've lost billions due to careless choices I've made, and it was part of the journey to where I am today.
Just an FYI: If you can make a billion once, you can do it again... and now you have knowledge behind you on how to do it. It's really this knowledge that gives you a leg up! You also have knowledge on how dangerous space is, and can take precautions to mitigate your risks. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3223
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Posted - 2013.04.16 22:48:00 -
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Nykr wrote:Stop giving out false information. It doesnt matter if your ship is already facing the object you are warping to or has to turn 180 degrees. Both ways take just as long to start warping. This is why you always see freighters initiate warp while they have not fully alinged yet. they reached warp speed faster then they were able to turn.
I used to do my ratting in a i-Stabbed (and align rigged) sentry Thanatos. Occasionally, if the Anoms were far apart, it would finish aligning in the direction of the warp before I landed.
The drawing of your ship that the Client renders aligns at a fixed rate (so far as I can tell) based on the ship and unrelated to your actual align time. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
91
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Posted - 2013.04.17 13:31:00 -
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Not so often if you know simple rules :
NO PLASTIC WRAPS! Don't carry on your hauler more than 1.5x times ISK needed for ships to gank you. Don't fly to low/null. Don't haul faction stuff. Don't fly if you are in militia. Don't fly if you are at WAR. Don't fly if you have active KR ( unless you making isk on this) Don't fly if you have 'new' people in your (non npc) corp :P
And now something you should have. All EHP skills armor/structure/shield Passive resistance skills ( hmm they don't require items ?) Passive tank implants (correct one, don't put shield implant if you fly orca) If you fly orca Reinforced bulkheads II and damage control in low is a must!
So simple :) And it applies - to all industrial / PVE ships :) |
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Marsan
Emergency and I
95
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Posted - 2013.04.17 16:47:00 -
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For extra fun when you are watching TV or just afk for the day. Take a fully insured Indy equiped with a bunch of cheap buffer tanking mods (best not to fit too smart even if it's) with a couple of double wrapped items (for bonus points add in some random really cheap sleeper loot) , autopilot the route jita -> Amarr -> Dodixie and so on. If you are lucky someone will decide you have phat lewt, and blow you up. In which case you collect your insurance pay out, and sell off your killrights for a tidy profit. The most amusing thing is the ganker will generally end up buying off the kill rights with an alt.... Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Haulie Berry
449
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Posted - 2013.04.17 16:52:00 -
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Zenon Cold wrote:
So now the problem is that I kinda lost interest in playing the game, basically starting all over again. I mean what's the point spending hours and hours playing when you can loose everything in a second.
Er... you can only lose everything in a second if you first put yourself in a position to lose everything in a second. This is like complaining that you can lose everything in a second while playing roulette. It's only true if you walk into the casino and risk everything on a single bet.
Practice a little bit of risk management, and you won't be able to lose everything in a second. |
Dave Stark
2653
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Posted - 2013.04.17 17:57:00 -
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Marsan wrote:For extra fun when you are watching TV or just afk for the day. Take a fully insured Indy equiped with a bunch of cheap buffer tanking mods (best not to fit too smart even if it's) with a couple of double wrapped items (for bonus points add in some random really cheap sleeper loot) , autopilot the route jita -> Amarr -> Dodixie and so on. If you are lucky someone will decide you have phat lewt, and blow you up. In which case you collect your insurance pay out, and sell off your killrights for a tidy profit. The most amusing thing is the ganker will generally end up buying off the kill rights with an alt....
or they're already -10 and don't give a ****. |
Marsan
Emergency and I
95
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Posted - 2013.04.18 00:36:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote: or they're already -10 and don't give a ****.
It's still amusing my alt is up to 3 "kills" ;-) Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
24
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Posted - 2013.04.18 03:54:00 -
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Quote:So now the problem is that I kinda lost interest in playing the game, basically starting all over again. I mean what's the point spending hours and hours playing when you can loose everything in a second. What's the point being in highsec when police doesn't work anyway? Sure I know now, I won't ever haul expensive cargo in a fragile can but what hard lesson comes next? I am scared to go mining with my retriever or buy even more expensive ship, if I can loose it in highsec. I guess this game is not for me :-\
This IS the point of Eve. It is the only MMO that I'm aware of where your actions actually matter. Yes it sucks that you lost a ton of ISK. But at the same time, it really isn't that hard to get back, still doesn't make it suck any less. Think of most/any other MMO where you get killed 20x a day by some griefing A*hole, literally the only thing it costs you is time/frustration. In Eve you get popped ONCE in 6 months and it can be devastating. Also feel lucky if your clone was up to date, I know of people who have lost months of training time when they forgot to update the clone.
On a different note, apparently in my 7 years on/off this game I have never heard of "double wrapping" but I can only assume it means putting a secure container in your hold to put the valuables in? I do this with all my standard ships (not my Freighter) but it's to allow a tiny bit more cargo space, not to confuse players as to it's contents, maybe I should re-think my approach. Check out my post about some Drone lovin: Proposed Drone Improvement |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
286
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Posted - 2013.04.18 06:26:00 -
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DeLindsay wrote:On a different note, apparently in my 7 years on/off this game I have never heard of "double wrapping" but I can only assume it means putting a secure container in your hold to put the valuables in?
Putting the items into containers and then courier contracting the containers. Plastic wrap of contract + container = double-wrap
Quote:I do this with all my standard ships (not my Freighter) but it's to allow a tiny bit more cargo space, not to confuse players as to it's contents, maybe I should re-think my approach.
Double wrapping prevents cargo scanners from seeing the items, they can only see through a single layer, not two. Putting items into a secure container in your hold still allows those to be seen by cargo scanners, double wrapping does not.
Two-edged sword there. Gankers can't see the items and hence can't get an accurate valuation to see whether you're profitable to gank, on the other hand, would you double-wrap if cargo wasn't valuable.... |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1725
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Posted - 2013.04.18 07:56:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:DeLindsay wrote:On a different note, apparently in my 7 years on/off this game I have never heard of "double wrapping" but I can only assume it means putting a secure container in your hold to put the valuables in? Putting the items into containers and then courier contracting the containers. Plastic wrap of contract + container = double-wrap To clarify further:
Courier contract packages are plastic-wrapped. To enable a plastic-wrapped package to be plastic-wrapped a second time, it is placed into a container and the container is courier-contracted again.
A double-wrapped package is often considered to be a reason to gank a hauler.
You are better-off in an un-scanable Blockade Runner. [I moved 7 billion ISK out of Jita in an alt's Crane earlier this evening.] |
Karig'Ano Keikira
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.18 12:30:00 -
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in my experience, haulers are ganked less often then people think and more often then you would like :) basically got ganked only once (and I had like 30 mil of cargo that time, making me wonder why someone bothered at all) out of 100+ hauler trips to/from jita.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2013.04.18 13:56:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:You are better-off in an un-scanable Blockade Runner. [I moved 7 billion ISK out of Jita in an alt's Crane earlier this evening.]
You were still better off back when it was a scannable blockade runner. (yea I'm still bitter about the change). |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.04.19 01:22:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:You are better-off in an un-scanable Blockade Runner. [I moved 7 billion ISK out of Jita in an alt's Crane earlier this evening.] You were still better off back when it was a scannable blockade runner. (yea I'm still bitter about the change).
It would be kind of nice to be able to turn it off for trips taken in ballast. Oh well. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
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