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Nobutada Mishi
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2013.02.07 18:00:00 -
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With the venture out (no nerf on the horizon), and gas prices dropping, I don't think it should be easier to harvest gas. Another reason is it takes the risk out of using shiny ships to clear the sleepers....a potential PVP aspect that is getting harder to find. |
Mister Tuggles
Prime Numbers
23
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Posted - 2013.02.07 18:25:00 -
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Nobutada Mishi wrote:With the venture out (no nerf on the horizon), and gas prices dropping, I don't think it should be easier to harvest gas. Another reason is it takes the risk out of using shiny ships to clear the sleepers....a potential PVP aspect that is getting harder to find.
You know it wasn't all that difficult to put warp stabs on a battlecruiser for ninja harvesting before the venture came out. Still isn't. People are just using the crap out of the ship because it is new. Give it a few months. The novelty of using the new ship will wear off, people will get bored with gas mining like always, and prices will go back up. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1120
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Posted - 2013.02.07 18:51:00 -
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Nobutada Mishi wrote:With the venture out (no nerf on the horizon), and gas prices dropping, I don't think it should be easier to harvest gas. Another reason is it takes the risk out of using shiny ships to clear the sleepers....a potential PVP aspect that is getting harder to find.
Seriously? I expect the nullbear whiners with their Nerf AFK cloaking. Or the highsec bears crying nerf suicide ganking. Or even the high sec PVP'rs whining about NPC corps.
And who cares about gas prices? I can make more in 20min running a site than an hour mining gas. Let them have it.
I wouldn't have expected one of the alliances listed on the "notable wormhole alliances" to be ones to make a whiny ***** post like this. Grow a pair and go kill some ventures. Plenty of killmails of them on whkills.info so somebody has figured out how. |
Phaderift
Sky Fighters Talocan United
14
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:03:00 -
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came in expecting a thread that was complaining about how you can use grid and sleeper ai to harvest the larger clouds in the high end sites with out any sleepers pwning your ship. was not expecting a nerf a venture thread.. also you may want to take a look at tech 3 hull prices and movement before you scream falling prices are the ventures fault :p |
Nobutada Mishi
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
34
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:33:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Nobutada Mishi wrote:With the venture out (no nerf on the horizon), and gas prices dropping, I don't think it should be easier to harvest gas. Another reason is it takes the risk out of using shiny ships to clear the sleepers....a potential PVP aspect that is getting harder to find. Seriously? I expect the nullbear whiners with their Nerf AFK cloaking. Or the highsec bears crying nerf suicide ganking. Or even the high sec PVP'rs whining about NPC corps. And who cares about gas prices? I can make more in 20min running a site than an hour mining gas. Let them have it. I wouldn't have expected one of the alliances listed on the "notable wormhole alliances" to be ones to make a whiny ***** post like this. Grow a pair and go kill some ventures. Plenty of killmails of them on whkills.info so somebody has figured out how. Apparently you didn't see the part about trying to gank the site runners in shiny T3 ships. And yea, ganking ventures is fun but how much do they cost again? How is bringing up a broken mechanic considered whining? Anyways, on the notable wormhole alliance poke...even if we are outnumbered we always bring the fight. When was the last time you went balls deep. Who are with you again? No, seriously, I've never heard of you. |
Nobutada Mishi
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
34
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:35:00 -
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Phaderift wrote:came in expecting a thread that was complaining about how you can use grid and sleeper ai to harvest the larger clouds in the high end sites with out any sleepers pwning your ship. was not expecting a nerf a venture thread.. also you may want to take a look at tech 3 hull prices and movement before you scream falling prices are the ventures fault :p the thread is about that...was mentioning the venture as well as a side note |
Malception
Cold Moon Destruction Transmission Lost
78
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:01:00 -
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1120
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:14:00 -
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Nobutada Mishi wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Nobutada Mishi wrote:With the venture out (no nerf on the horizon), and gas prices dropping, I don't think it should be easier to harvest gas. Another reason is it takes the risk out of using shiny ships to clear the sleepers....a potential PVP aspect that is getting harder to find. Seriously? I expect the nullbear whiners with their Nerf AFK cloaking. Or the highsec bears crying nerf suicide ganking. Or even the high sec PVP'rs whining about NPC corps. And who cares about gas prices? I can make more in 20min running a site than an hour mining gas. Let them have it. I wouldn't have expected one of the alliances listed on the "notable wormhole alliances" to be ones to make a whiny ***** post like this. Grow a pair and go kill some ventures. Plenty of killmails of them on whkills.info so somebody has figured out how. Apparently you didn't see the part about trying to gank the site runners in shiny T3 ships. And yea, ganking ventures is fun but how much do they cost again? How is bringing up a broken mechanic considered whining? Anyways, on the notable wormhole alliance poke...even if we are outnumbered we always bring the fight. When was the last time you went balls deep. Who are with you again? No, seriously, I've never heard of you.
Maybe, as it seems, the mention of ventures simply confused your post. Venture's aren't a broken mechanic. But if there is a way to harvest high end clouds such as Phaderift described, then yes I would agree with you. A broken mechanic such as that should be fixed.
If that is in fact the case, then you simply failed to explain your argument very well (considering all of the replies, including mine assumed you were just pissed about the venture).
If that is the case I humbly apologize for the over the top jabs at your manhood.
And no, I'm nobody. We are just a small but slowly growing WH corp, working towards the eventual goal of playing in the big leagues. |
Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
610
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:24:00 -
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I warned you all about the venture but would you listen?!!
I agree the Venture is too good as a gas miner in WH space and i think CCP made a mistake in its design.
And FYI you can mine in one of the high end gas clouds without the sleepers reacting to the venture. Why i play EVE:-á20% for gameplay experience, 30% for the social aspect and 50% because of CCPGÇÖs empty promises.-á |
Nobutada Mishi
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
35
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:41:00 -
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Malception wrote:http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/34509567.jpg http://cdn.motinetwork.net/demotivationalposters.net/image/demotivational-poster/0809/assholes-demotivational-poster-1222569254.jpg
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Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
258
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:51:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:I warned you all about the venture but would you listen?!! I agree the Venture is too good as a gas miner in WH space and i think CCP made a mistake in its design. And FYI you can mine in one of the high end gas clouds without the sleepers reacting to the venture.
Yup, it's actually quite easy to puff gas with sleepers on grid. Only problem with this is that once agroed even once, the sleepers can and will pop you even at 250km range. Then again that's a perfect trap for the would be ganker that warps straight into the cloud, that ends up decloaking him obviously...
That said, it is extremely easy to trap ventures if you really want to. |
Nobutada Mishi
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
35
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:56:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Nobutada Mishi wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Nobutada Mishi wrote:With the venture out (no nerf on the horizon), and gas prices dropping, I don't think it should be easier to harvest gas. Another reason is it takes the risk out of using shiny ships to clear the sleepers....a potential PVP aspect that is getting harder to find. Seriously? I expect the nullbear whiners with their Nerf AFK cloaking. Or the highsec bears crying nerf suicide ganking. Or even the high sec PVP'rs whining about NPC corps. And who cares about gas prices? I can make more in 20min running a site than an hour mining gas. Let them have it. I wouldn't have expected one of the alliances listed on the "notable wormhole alliances" to be ones to make a whiny ***** post like this. Grow a pair and go kill some ventures. Plenty of killmails of them on whkills.info so somebody has figured out how. Apparently you didn't see the part about trying to gank the site runners in shiny T3 ships. And yea, ganking ventures is fun but how much do they cost again? How is bringing up a broken mechanic considered whining? Anyways, on the notable wormhole alliance poke...even if we are outnumbered we always bring the fight. When was the last time you went balls deep. Who are with you again? No, seriously, I've never heard of you. Maybe, as it seems, the mention of ventures simply confused your post. Venture's aren't a broken mechanic. But if there is a way to harvest high end clouds such as Phaderift described, then yes I would agree with you. A broken mechanic such as that should be fixed. If that is in fact the case, then you simply failed to explain your argument very well (considering all of the replies, including mine assumed you were just pissed about the venture). If that is the case I humbly apologize for the over the top jabs at your manhood. And no, I'm nobody. We are just a small but slowly growing WH corp, working towards the eventual goal of playing in the big leagues. no worries, should have explained better...figured everyone knew about it. roll into us and we will give you an even fight |
Phaderift
Sky Fighters Talocan United
14
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Posted - 2013.02.07 21:06:00 -
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from your initial post and based on the speed of teh venture it really sounded like you were complaining about the ship and not the fact that sleeper AI is bugged. also to the gentleman who said once they agress they are fixed and will pop you at 250km .. that's not accurate there are a couple "reset methods" out there ... that said personally I just clear them as it takes about 10 minutes and is worth 60-80 million isk |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1120
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Posted - 2013.02.07 21:14:00 -
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Nobutada Mishi wrote:no worries, should have explained better...figured everyone knew about it. roll into us and we will give you an even fight
It doesn't have to be even.
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Winthorp
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
75
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Posted - 2013.02.07 21:44:00 -
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You just need a tengu to solo a C3 site..........
Ohh wait it's one of "these" threads again.
Seriously if you see ventures on dscan and your only answer is to kill them at the site then its you that needs to be nerfed. There is always other options like spooking them to come back to the WH to get exploded or trapping the ventures in the WH to make them mad enough to get their alts to leave POS.
Plenty of options, try thinking of some instead of cry my gas prices have gone down cry. |
chris elliot
EG CORP Talocan United
127
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Posted - 2013.02.07 22:01:00 -
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Nobutada Mishi wrote: When was the last time you went balls deep. Who are you with again? No, seriously, I've never heard of you.
Lol, forum pubbie is buttmad over gas prices going down. Does not bother to do homework before insulting other people for calling him out on said stupidity.
Conclusion: Dumb pubbie is dumb. |
Chester Floyd
Balkan Xpress Talocan United
15
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Posted - 2013.02.07 22:04:00 -
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OVER 9000 DEFINITELY!!! coz simple LOL dont even begin to describe it.
On a side note, anyone that looses a venture to Nobutada Mishi or Rek Seven gets a new one from me. |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
254
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Posted - 2013.02.07 23:42:00 -
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So what is this broken mechanic you guys talk about? Sleepers don't attack a venture that is already there? At first I assumed the OP was talking about just being unfair that it was posible to huff for 15 min before the sleepers appeared, but it looks like there's something else to it. |
Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
258
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Posted - 2013.02.07 23:53:00 -
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Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:So what is this broken mechanic you guys talk about? Sleepers don't attack a venture that is already there? At first I assumed the OP was talking about just being unfair that it was posible to huff for 15 min before the sleepers appeared, but it looks like there's something else to it.
In core sites (the most valuable ladars) you can create a bookmark at the far end of the larger cloud, so far out that you wont get agroed by the sleepers at all. That's pretty much it, can safely huff that cloud dry and move on to do something else. |
Winthorp
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
75
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Posted - 2013.02.08 01:21:00 -
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Borlag Crendraven wrote:Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:So what is this broken mechanic you guys talk about? Sleepers don't attack a venture that is already there? At first I assumed the OP was talking about just being unfair that it was posible to huff for 15 min before the sleepers appeared, but it looks like there's something else to it. In core sites (the most valuable ladars) you can create a bookmark at the far end of the larger cloud, so far out that you wont get agroed by the sleepers at all. That's pretty much it, can safely huff that cloud dry and move on to do something else.
And this has always been the case but before people could offgrid combat scan them down and kill them pretty effectively. The problem now is the venture is a little more trickier to lock down. But all in all people just need to adapt and find better strategies. I hate the run to nerf things argument. |
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Sushi Nardieu
Bite Me inc Bitten.
65
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Posted - 2013.02.08 04:21:00 -
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I just want an opportunity to gank ships that clear ladar sites. Please gift this to w-space CCP.
Ninjaing is too EZ.
I wanna see TENG00S, CARRIERS and other expensive things out in space. Guns of Knowledge-á |
Nobutada Mishi
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
35
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Posted - 2013.02.08 05:00:00 -
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Sushi Nardieu wrote:I just want an opportunity to gank ships that clear ladar sites. Please gift this to w-space CCP.
Ninjaing is too EZ.
I wanna see TENG00S, CARRIERS and other expensive things out in space. finally...someone who isn't mentally ******** |
Winthorp
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
75
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Posted - 2013.02.08 05:57:00 -
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Nobutada Mishi wrote:Sushi Nardieu wrote:I just want an opportunity to gank ships that clear ladar sites. Please gift this to w-space CCP.
Ninjaing is too EZ.
I wanna see TENG00S, CARRIERS and other expensive things out in space. finally...someone who isn't mentally ********
I wouldn't be too convinced of that. |
Marsan
Caldari Provisions
87
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Posted - 2013.02.08 08:12:00 -
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How exact is the venture worse than a cruiser with a few warp stabs? It mines a little faster to be sure, but by that logic we'd be all still be mining in cruisers. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a bitter small portion of the community. |
Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
259
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Posted - 2013.02.08 08:20:00 -
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Marsan wrote:How exact is the venture worse than a cruiser with a few warp stabs? It mines a little faster to be sure, but by that logic we'd be all still be mining in cruisers.
The venture has a ton of advantages when compared to cruisers, starting from being harder to scan down due to smaller signature and the possibility of fitting ECCM to make it even harder, they are also much faster and as such you can orbit the clouds to make getting warpins directly to you much more difficult. On top of that the clouds themselves uncloak everything that tries to sneak up on you on grid and if that's not enough, you'll have a vastly improved alignment speed and as a frigate, getting a lock on you takes more time than it does to lock a cruiser.
And it's not just a little faster, it's the fastest gas harvester in the game when properly trained. |
Bamsey Amraa
Unseen Nomads Exiled Ones
16
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Posted - 2013.02.08 08:51:00 -
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Where is the problem? Gas is cheaper then T3 price is low and its mean i can do more pew pew in my Proteus... i feel good with that |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
254
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Posted - 2013.02.08 10:39:00 -
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Bamsey Amraa wrote:Where is the problem? Gas is cheaper then T3 price is low and its mean i can do more pew pew in my Proteus... i feel good with that
WHAT?? You're not absurdly rich? Away with you, outcast! |
Senn Denroth
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
77
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Posted - 2013.02.08 10:49:00 -
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"PVP" corp... wanting to gank miners...
How do these people even manager to create accounts |
QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc.
94
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Posted - 2013.02.08 11:30:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:And who cares about gas prices? I can make more in 20min running a site than an hour mining gas. Let them have it.
A year ago, gas prices were upwards of 150k per unit for 320 and about 70-90k per unit for the 540. I remember one night, using cruisers and old style can mining, with only 3 people online, we had a static that had 4 instrumentals in it, 3 vitals, and had a c2 static that had a high sec in sobaseki. (1 jump to jita) We gassed out all 4 instrumentals and ran the gas to jita. Using JUST the profits from the gas, I bought a replacement bhaalgorn and a redeemer fully fit. I still had about a bil left over from this.
Today, if I were to pull off the same feet, I would barely be able to buy the bhaalgorn. |
Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
259
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Posted - 2013.02.08 11:50:00 -
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QT McWhiskers wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:And who cares about gas prices? I can make more in 20min running a site than an hour mining gas. Let them have it. A year ago, gas prices were upwards of 150k per unit for 320 and about 70-90k per unit for the 540. I remember one night, using cruisers and old style can mining, with only 3 people online, we had a static that had 4 instrumentals in it, 3 vitals, and had a c2 static that had a high sec in sobaseki. (1 jump to jita) We gassed out all the instrumentals and the vitals ran the gas to jita. Using JUST the profits from the gas, I bought a replacement bhaalgorn and a redeemer fully fit. I still had about a bil left over from this. Today, if I were to pull off the same feet, I would barely be able to buy the bhaalgorn.
Depending on how you look at things, that may or may not be a bad thing at all... Isk is already way too easy to come by. |
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