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VegasMirage
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Posted - 2013.02.14 05:35:00 -
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Rall Mekin wrote:What happened to d-scan, warp sabre to 0, kill venture? You guys are wormholers and scan for your supper anyway. Last I checked, warp strength didn't matter against bubbles. Granted, its a frigate with a fast align, but it will either not stick around when the probes go out or it will die.
Also, confirming w-space is SO broke nowadays. No one makes any money in w-space anymore. In fact, everyone is moving out of W-space and coming to live in null. W-holes are so broken now, SO BROKEN, I tell you, because of ninja-mining ventures!
you haven't flown a venture or attempted to kill one? (doesn't matter the space its in)...
fit properly for gas harvesting without links, bonuses etc., you should be able to get 4.3K ehp with either WC+3 @ 3,800 m/sec or WC+2 @ 4,450 m/sec - imagine with links 
even if the fleet drops on a gas crew without a 3 point inty tackling and a rapier slowing them down you're chances are slim [inb4 I killed 1, most people in Eve are bad, so not aligned and no heat on the mwd etc., panic...)
so. people are improvising and gimping sb's by adding 3 points and using ac's
AND then you kill 1 and it's worth 10 million isk, might drop 3-4 mill, lot of work for no reward. Hope that made sense. likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |

Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
32
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Posted - 2013.02.14 11:23:00 -
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Rall Mekin wrote:What happened to d-scan, warp sabre to 0, kill venture?
So I love semi-afk gas harvesting vitals and instrumental cores, till now I wasn't caught yet. SO basically everything cruisersized can't tackle you because to slow, a bomber can't kill you with a bomb even when standing still, sabres dpn't bother you cause you're a god bit faster.
Just the combination of shuttle'esque align time, 3km/s mwd speed and +2 warpcore strength make it really hard to gank (unless stupid / really afk / dscan glitched / client times out)). The only venture I lost yet, was cause a barren ladar bookmark turned out to be an ordinary.
The ship really is great, but given it's use inside a wormhole, has maybe to many advantages for exactly that region.
Big issue is also that this 500k frig has a highslot and the cpu to fit a tech I cloak... |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1143
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Posted - 2013.02.14 13:56:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Rall Mekin wrote:What happened to d-scan, warp sabre to 0, kill venture? So I love semi-afk gas harvesting vitals and instrumental cores, till now I wasn't caught yet. SO basically everything cruisersized can't tackle you because to slow, a bomber can't kill you with a bomb even when standing still, sabres dpn't bother you cause you're a god bit faster. Just the combination of shuttle'esque align time, 3km/s mwd speed and +2 warpcore strength make it really hard to gank (unless stupid / really afk / dscan glitched / client times out)). The only venture I lost yet, was cause a barren ladar bookmark turned out to be an ordinary. The ship really is great, but given it's use inside a wormhole, has maybe to many advantages for exactly that region. Big issue is also that this 500k frig has a highslot and the cpu to fit a tech I cloak...
Again, I'm not getting the butthurt. Granted I know that this thread was intended less as a venture whine and more of a bad mechanic allowing gas harvesting without NPC aggro complaint. But still.
Like I said, first, ITS GAS. Gas is driven by the market. Produce too much, price goes down. Price goes down will cause at least some people to decide it's not worth harvesting yada yada. Just like miners over mining.
Given that everyone economically seems to be talking about high end gasses, I have a hard time believing this is impacting a C5+'s incoming that much. You can make far more in an evening of farming those cap escalated sites. And they are more stable since all of that blue loot is a fixed NPC price.
Can't get easy ganks anymore? Was it really that satisfying to catch that shitfit Gas harvesting ferox? Not to mention the actual numbers seem to tell a different story. So far for Feb, 87 frigates were killed in WH space. Out of that 42 where ventures. I didn't count in January (Man I wish I knew better ways of pulling data from killboards so I could get kills by ship type etc) since there were hundreds of frigates killed. But just a glance through the pages would make me bet around half were ventures yet again. So even as hard as they are to catch, lots seem to be dying. Just as a point of reference, If 50% of frigate kills in January where ventures, that would put the number arounr 500. Also in January 691 T3 cruisers were killed...
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DJ P0N-3
Table Flippendeavors
159
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:14:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:Even outside of C5's, us lowsec scrublords are raising cash due to the parlous state of the FW LP store, via blitzing ladars. With 2-3 Ventures hitting the same cloud, you can alpha-suck the expensive gas from a Ladar site before the sleepers spawn; you can turn over 4 ladars in an hour for about 30-40M. Which isn't great, but it isn't bad for an alt if you have an egg timer and warp out when the sleepers spawn.
i see no problem with this. if the wormhole is empty, the ladar is available, and you have the time and spare toon to do it, a Venture alt is a reasonable investment. Off topic a bit, but why haven't drug booster prices dropped if gas harvesting is so popular now? Perhaps there's more risk in low sec, but you're based there I'd think your guys would eat that stuff up at 20-40 million a site.
Don't lowsec clouds do Venture-destroying damage waves? Or am I completely off base? |

Phaderift
Sky Fighters Talocan United
15
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:30:00 -
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DJ P0N-3 wrote:VegasMirage wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:Even outside of C5's, us lowsec scrublords are raising cash due to the parlous state of the FW LP store, via blitzing ladars. With 2-3 Ventures hitting the same cloud, you can alpha-suck the expensive gas from a Ladar site before the sleepers spawn; you can turn over 4 ladars in an hour for about 30-40M. Which isn't great, but it isn't bad for an alt if you have an egg timer and warp out when the sleepers spawn.
i see no problem with this. if the wormhole is empty, the ladar is available, and you have the time and spare toon to do it, a Venture alt is a reasonable investment. Off topic a bit, but why haven't drug booster prices dropped if gas harvesting is so popular now? Perhaps there's more risk in low sec, but you're based there I'd think your guys would eat that stuff up at 20-40 million a site. Don't lowsec clouds do Venture-destroying damage waves? Or am I completely off base?
though i have not mined low sec gas in ages. yes the low and null gass clouds do some damage when you mine from them |

VegasMirage
364
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:25:00 -
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Phaderift wrote:DJ P0N-3 wrote:VegasMirage wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:Even outside of C5's, us lowsec scrublords are raising cash due to the parlous state of the FW LP store, via blitzing ladars. With 2-3 Ventures hitting the same cloud, you can alpha-suck the expensive gas from a Ladar site before the sleepers spawn; you can turn over 4 ladars in an hour for about 30-40M. Which isn't great, but it isn't bad for an alt if you have an egg timer and warp out when the sleepers spawn.
i see no problem with this. if the wormhole is empty, the ladar is available, and you have the time and spare toon to do it, a Venture alt is a reasonable investment. Off topic a bit, but why haven't drug booster prices dropped if gas harvesting is so popular now? Perhaps there's more risk in low sec, but you're based there I'd think your guys would eat that stuff up at 20-40 million a site. Don't lowsec clouds do Venture-destroying damage waves? Or am I completely off base? though i have not mined low sec gas in ages. yes the low and null gass clouds do some damage when you mine from them
unless something has drastically changed in the past 2-3 years, this is not correct, perhaps there's 1 that does, but when we gas harvested low sec it was super easy and really great pay out no damaging clouds and no rats to shoot likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |

Rall Mekin
Jadablade Black Core Alliance
26
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Posted - 2013.02.16 16:20:00 -
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Ninja mining/gas harvesting frigate is good at ninja mining/gas harvesting so its BAD? 
When I referred to warping sabre to 0, I was assuming you'd have a fleet following (sabre au/second warp is much higher than average ship).
FYI, sebo'd stealth bomber with scram would also work. Stealth bomber has no delay from targeting, so you should be able to point and scram a venture in time for the cloaky rapier/dps to get there.
Yes, I know, its a ridiculously cheap ship. Hence why I said warp in a sabre at 0, so you can be sure to get pods.
Sadly, I am currently in null sec for friendship's sake. I have come to a place where I play this game about people, not play styles. I like the current group of guy's I'm with, so I'm bro'ing it up in Null Sec for a bit with my current corp. I do have plans to return to the holes though soon(tm), and have a crew ready to launch at my word, but I have other commitments in game and they have real life to sort out first so.... No, I have not tried to kill this elusive venture. I just find all the crying about it... unbecoming of you all, as wormholers.
Wormholers are l33t and epic compared to the rest of EVE . We have skill sets the average player does not have, and we are shadowy ninja masters of gank that appear from nowhere, burn down a whole bunch of ****, and then leave. I know wormholers as intrepid enterprisers... I'm sure you can think of a way to efficiency murder ventures and be on your way.  |

VegasMirage
364
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Posted - 2013.02.16 18:28:00 -
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Rall Mekin wrote:Ninja mining/gas harvesting frigate is good at ninja mining/gas harvesting so its BAD?  When I referred to warping sabre to 0, I was assuming you'd have a fleet following (sabre au/second warp is much higher than average ship). FYI, sebo'd stealth bomber with scram would also work. Stealth bomber has no delay from targeting, so you should be able to point and scram a venture in time for the cloaky rapier/dps to get there. Yes, I know, its a ridiculously cheap ship. Hence why I said warp in a sabre at 0, so you can be sure to get pods. Sadly, I am currently in null sec for friendship's sake. I have come to a place where I play this game about people, not play styles. I like the current group of guy's I'm with, so I'm bro'ing it up in Null Sec for a bit with my current corp. I do have plans to return to the holes though soon(tm), and have a crew ready to launch at my word, but I have other commitments in game and they have real life to sort out first so.... No, I have not tried to kill this elusive venture. I just find all the crying about it... unbecoming of you all, as wormholers. Wormholers are l33t and epic compared to the rest of EVE . We have skill sets the average player does not have, and we are shadowy ninja masters of gank that appear from nowhere, burn down a whole bunch of ****, and then leave. I know wormholers as intrepid enterprisers... I'm sure you can think of a way to efficiency murder ventures and be on your way. 
just go find a manager and tell them you're lost, they'll page your mom for you likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |

Nobutada Mishi
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
37
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Posted - 2013.02.17 01:48:00 -
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http://no-ho.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7887 lol. only time ive ever lost a gas ship. about to warp so didnt drop gas. poo happen. got my other two ships out thogh |

GizzyBoy
Aperture Harmonics K162
60
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Posted - 2013.02.17 04:08:00 -
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venture vrs sbomber
http://dontshootx.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16452
venture is not broken, they have tiny tank and are killable.
stop the whinys. |

QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc.
95
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:00:00 -
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CCP May have fixed ninja harvesting. Couple of corpmates (who know how to make ninja and bounce locations) had sleepers aggro when they were ninja harvesting an instrumental. Had this happen to us today as well. Had to warp out and grab the tengus.
So if CCP has fixed it, then thats awesome. If CCP hasnt fixed ninja harvesting and sleeper aggro in ladars is broken... dont fix it. |

Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:22:00 -
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Nobutada Mishi wrote:With the venture out (no nerf on the horizon), and gas prices dropping, I don't think it should be easier to harvest gas(ninja harvesting clouds without taking aggro from sleepers). Another reason is it takes the risk out of using shiny ships to clear the sleepers....a potential PVP aspect that is getting harder to find.
Meh,
Ninja harvesting is a way of life in wormholes. The best way to stop it is to get out there and defend your turf!
T- |

ash veratis
Hard Knocks Inc.
56
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Posted - 2013.02.21 04:06:00 -
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QT McWhiskers wrote:CCP May have fixed ninja harvesting. Couple of corpmates (who know how to make ninja and bounce locations) had sleepers aggro when they were ninja harvesting an instrumental. Had this happen to us today as well. Had to warp out and grab the tengus.
So if CCP has fixed it, then thats awesome. If CCP hasnt fixed ninja harvesting and sleeper aggro in ladars is broken... dont fix it.
Please excuse my corpmate, he's terrible at eve. Apparently someone thinks being at 110k's is a ninja. I suspect the cloud they were at was partially gassed out across downtime so the cloud shrunk. |

Althiare
Posthuman Society 10110001100111101000
1
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Posted - 2013.02.21 10:12:00 -
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ash veratis wrote:QT McWhiskers wrote:CCP May have fixed ninja harvesting. Couple of corpmates (who know how to make ninja and bounce locations) had sleepers aggro when they were ninja harvesting an instrumental. Had this happen to us today as well. Had to warp out and grab the tengus.
So if CCP has fixed it, then thats awesome. If CCP hasnt fixed ninja harvesting and sleeper aggro in ladars is broken... dont fix it. Please excuse my corpmate, he's terrible at eve. Apparently someone thinks being at 110k's is a ninja. I suspect the cloud they were at was partially gassed out across downtime so the cloud shrunk.
A couple of guys in our alliance have also confirmed sleeper aggro even 140/150 k's out. So it looks like they fixed the ninja gas harvesting. Stock up your gas lads, gas prices are going to go through the roof the next couple of days. |

ash veratis
Hard Knocks Inc.
56
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Posted - 2013.02.21 14:43:00 -
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Althiare wrote:ash veratis wrote:QT McWhiskers wrote:CCP May have fixed ninja harvesting. Couple of corpmates (who know how to make ninja and bounce locations) had sleepers aggro when they were ninja harvesting an instrumental. Had this happen to us today as well. Had to warp out and grab the tengus.
So if CCP has fixed it, then thats awesome. If CCP hasnt fixed ninja harvesting and sleeper aggro in ladars is broken... dont fix it. Please excuse my corpmate, he's terrible at eve. Apparently someone thinks being at 110k's is a ninja. I suspect the cloud they were at was partially gassed out across downtime so the cloud shrunk. A couple of guys in our alliance have also confirmed sleeper aggro even 140/150 k's out. So it looks like they fixed the ninja gas harvesting. Stock up your gas lads, gas prices are going to go through the roof the next couple of days.
Curious. Which gas sites have you confirmed this at, because other corpmates have done it since patch day without problems, in both instrumentals and vitals.
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Althiare
Posthuman Society 10110001100111101000
1
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:07:00 -
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ash veratis wrote:Althiare wrote:ash veratis wrote:QT McWhiskers wrote:CCP May have fixed ninja harvesting. Couple of corpmates (who know how to make ninja and bounce locations) had sleepers aggro when they were ninja harvesting an instrumental. Had this happen to us today as well. Had to warp out and grab the tengus.
So if CCP has fixed it, then thats awesome. If CCP hasnt fixed ninja harvesting and sleeper aggro in ladars is broken... dont fix it. Please excuse my corpmate, he's terrible at eve. Apparently someone thinks being at 110k's is a ninja. I suspect the cloud they were at was partially gassed out across downtime so the cloud shrunk. A couple of guys in our alliance have also confirmed sleeper aggro even 140/150 k's out. So it looks like they fixed the ninja gas harvesting. Stock up your gas lads, gas prices are going to go through the roof the next couple of days. Curious. Which gas sites have you confirmed this at, because other corpmates have done it since patch day without problems, in both instrumentals and vitals.
Instrumentals, that's strange, maybe the sites we are seeing the sleeper aggro are bugged before the patch fix. Are you guys in c5 or c6 space? |

Havoc Zealot
Sky Fighters Talocan United
20
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:01:00 -
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Confirming that sleepers aggro 140km in an instrumental after being properly set up. |

Phaderift
Sky Fighters Talocan United
15
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:03:00 -
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Havoc Zealot wrote:Confirming that sleepers aggro 140km in an instrumental after being properly set up. yup looks like CCP finaly fixed it, and hey look at that c320 prices bounced back a little lol |

Althiare
Posthuman Society 10110001100111101000
1
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:13:00 -
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Havoc Zealot wrote:Confirming that sleepers aggro 140km in an instrumental after being properly set up.
Great to see that CCP is finally fixing some wh related problems, maybe we should open up a thread on enabling t3 refitting and repackaging/stacking in POSes. |

Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
240
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Posted - 2013.02.21 19:12:00 -
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Related Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour..
Ayeson for CSM8 |

Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
405
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Posted - 2013.02.21 20:05:00 -
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good, im glad they fixed it. its easy enough to clear them with a a few rr tengus anyways. |

QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc.
98
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Posted - 2013.02.21 21:06:00 -
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ash veratis wrote:QT McWhiskers wrote:CCP May have fixed ninja harvesting. Couple of corpmates (who know how to make ninja and bounce locations) had sleepers aggro when they were ninja harvesting an instrumental. Had this happen to us today as well. Had to warp out and grab the tengus.
So if CCP has fixed it, then thats awesome. If CCP hasnt fixed ninja harvesting and sleeper aggro in ladars is broken... dont fix it. Please excuse my corpmate, he's terrible at eve. Apparently someone thinks being at 110k's is a ninja. I suspect the cloud they were at was partially gassed out across downtime so the cloud shrunk.
Please excuse my corpmate he apparently fails at reading comprehension. "CCP may have fixed" And cant understand the different between an indefinite and definite determiner.
Clouds that shrink dont put you 110k away from the sleepers... they put you at 80ish away from the sleepers. The 110k comment was from one specific instance. However on two other occasions (where I did not make the ninja) the sleepers were definitely able to aggro us from 130+k out of range.
However I am told that today people were able to ninja the gas cloud again. Maybe it was broken in the patch yesterday and fixed in the patch today, I dont know. Can anyone else confirm this?
I would also like to see some actual testing on this. IE warping in at 200k then slowly boating in 5k at a time and seeing if they aggro. (usually take the sleepers a minute or two to aggro) |

ceaser3
Hard Knocks Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.02.21 21:49:00 -
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My attempt at a instrumental today.
I first warped to the bounce, then warped to the ninja at 30km, which put me off around 180km away from sleepers. I then slow boated to them, very careful, trying to get within harvesting range of the cloud while maintaining max range from the sleepers.
I found i needed to be around 139km from the sleepers to get in harvesting range. The sleepers started to lock me when I got 140km or closer to them.
This was in an instrumental in a c6, but same thing happened in c5. Looks like ccp just increased aggro range of sleepers. As such Vitals are still ninjable as the c540 gas cloud size is much larger than a c320 gas cloud.
If anyone else is willing to confirm, please speak up.
Thanks |

Havoc Zealot
Sky Fighters Talocan United
20
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Posted - 2013.02.22 04:19:00 -
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I am glad that this got fixed, gives us more reward for our efforts. Just wish they would put ninja fixes like this in patch notes. |

Winthorp
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
90
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Posted - 2013.02.22 04:21:00 -
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Havoc Zealot wrote:I am glad that this got fixed, gives us more reward for our efforts. Just wish they would put ninja fixes like this in patch notes.
I'm just glad people are still happy to sell it at 59K. |

Havoc Zealot
Sky Fighters Talocan United
20
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Posted - 2013.02.22 04:28:00 -
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people are actually filling your jita buy orders? or people in your hole. |

Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
419
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Posted - 2013.02.28 08:47:00 -
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Tested this again tonight with ninja style in a c5 instrumental and it has been fixed. Confirmed no ninja in c5 instrumental. |

Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters Talocan United
96
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Posted - 2013.02.28 11:07:00 -
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Havoc Zealot wrote:people are actually filling your jita buy orders? or people in your hole.
Oh Haay Havok.
Still got that gas to sell me? :P CCP please consider hats as a clothing option for our spaceship barbies.-á
Artist impression of what this could potentially be http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t66/ROBC5Z06/sithsig_zps86971c83.jpg |

Havoc Zealot
Sky Fighters Talocan United
20
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Posted - 2013.02.28 16:50:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:Havoc Zealot wrote:people are actually filling your jita buy orders? or people in your hole. Oh Haay Havok. Still got that gas to sell me? :P For your sexy australian self I would love to sell you my gas as long as you admit to drinking Fosters. |

ash veratis
Hard Knocks Inc.
56
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Posted - 2013.02.28 17:06:00 -
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Havoc Zealot wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:Havoc Zealot wrote:people are actually filling your jita buy orders? or people in your hole. Oh Haay Havok. Still got that gas to sell me? :P For your sexy australian self I would love to sell you my gas as long as you admit to drinking Fosters.
I can't even think of a pub in Melbourne that sells fosters. Not saying they don't exist, but if they do, they're rare. Carlton Draught, on the other hand, is everywhere. |
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