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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.02.09 11:55:00 -
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Some number crunching from EVE Offline and EVE total subscribers...
Date: Dec. 27 2012
Tranquility weekly average PCU = 33,786 (75,22%)
Serenity weekly average PCU= 12,126 (24,77%)
Total weekly average PCU (2 servers)= 44,912
For a estimated subscription count of 450,000 subscribers:
TQ: 75,22% = 338,490
SR: 24,77% = 111,465
So....
EVE total subscribers = 450,000 (as advertised)
Serenity subscribers= circa 100,000 (EVE Offline estimation)
Tranquility subscribers= circa 350,000 (EVE Offline estimation)
I think that 350k vs 100k is a generous estimate as Serenity's PCU has being going down all the way along January whereas TQ is marginally increasing.
So, the question is: did Tranquility lost 50k subscribers since pre-Incarna and the 400k number? Back then, Serenity was not being accounted as a part of total subsciption (and anyway SR was offline for a good part of 2012) so apparently either CCP forgot to tell us they hit 500,000 subscriptors thanks to Serenity, or they forgot to tell us that 100,000 subcribers from Serenity mean that Tranquility has taken a serious blow and lost 12.5% of its subscribers since Incarna.
That hasn't translated direcly into PCU as many players are returning to EVE thx to successful iterations, so there are less subscribers who actually play more and that's good as long as it lasts. But then, with overall subscriptions going down and only returning players saving the day, maybe CCP should consider whatever happened to natural growth and all those lovely new subscribers.
(Might be noted that EVE is not suffering from the economic climate because it is clearly anti-cyclical, as the less job you have, the best you can pay your subscription through PLEXes... at least while you can afford the internet bills!  )
CCP Unifex: -á"lurking single players (...)-áare the majority of characters on Tranquility"
...And so now we know why CCP hasn't done anything for soloers since Apochrypha. |
Sarmatiko
880
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Posted - 2013.02.09 12:06:00 -
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At last! Thread about CCP lies with serious statistical analytics, not based on subjective estimations and bittervet tears!
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baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2013.02.09 12:07:00 -
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Turns out, bear content does not attract as many people as pvp content. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1090
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Posted - 2013.02.09 12:12:00 -
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They have been cracking down a bit on bots(or so they say) which maybe the reason for the reduced numbers. However with how much they are pushing Power of 2 and Sidekick it wouldn't surprise me if they have taken a hit on numbers.
CCP is going down a dangerous path of relaying too much on multi-accounts. |
Merouk Baas
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Posted - 2013.02.09 12:12:00 -
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Dunno, I use eve-offline, and by those charts they lost quite a few after Incarna but it's bouncing right back up now. We're likely to surpass the sub and concurrent logon numbers shortly. |
RAP ACTION HERO
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Posted - 2013.02.09 12:12:00 -
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my special snowflake post needed to be copied and pasted into a new thread.
Watch classic boxing if you like good fights. |
Kinis Deren
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.02.09 12:15:00 -
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How would the war on bots skew the figures? |
Whitehound
700
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Posted - 2013.02.09 12:17:00 -
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Yes.
SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |
Ai Shun
864
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Posted - 2013.02.09 12:32:00 -
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And next we'll see a thread about how EVE is dying. Oh wait. There's already been a few. Must be time for the one where WiS and dress up dollies will save EVE because so many Turkish men will suddenly flock to the game?
EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
963
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Posted - 2013.02.09 12:48:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:And next we'll see a thread about how EVE is dying. Oh wait. There's already been a few. Must be time for the one where WiS and dress up dollies will save EVE because so many Turkish men will suddenly flock to the game?
Turkish men - WiS - dollies...
Sorry, but you have completely lost me at this point...what is the connection?
This is not a signature. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
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Posted - 2013.02.09 13:01:00 -
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Dollies... the next "must have" for all the cool kids... or is that "Dollies with Monocles"...  |
Ptraci
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
1235
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Posted - 2013.02.09 13:09:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:How would the war on bots skew the figures?
Deleted accounts are not really subscribed accounts now are they? It's not a far stretch to think that most botters also had more than one account. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
848
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Posted - 2013.02.09 13:21:00 -
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CPU load can also be effected by changes in the game's code structure. Better code upgrades = less CPU use per person.
EvE Forum Bingo |
Corey Fumimasa
Royal Caldari Imperial Guard
Imperium Directive
92
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Posted - 2013.02.09 13:34:00 -
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Ai Shun Eve is going to die if we don't all accept the FACT that people want easy and not hard. Eve must be made easy in order to survive!!! Its only a matter of time before all of our ISK and assets go poof when the servers go down. I wonder if CCP could arrange an item and currency swap with a game like Salem? Then we can at least keep some of our wealth. Eve is Dying! Eve is Dying...
Oh, wait. This thread is just about some data, kind of looking at it and talking about Eve? But, I thought we were all going to run around and scream like preteens with their hair on fire? And jump to conclusions and shout accusations and otherwise behave as though there is something to be afraid of and scared about!
I guess you can relax a bit Ai, I sort of jumped the gun, I'm terribly sorry about that. No one said anything about the imminent closing of doors at CCP and the destruction of the servers.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
Corey Fumimasa
Royal Caldari Imperial Guard
Imperium Directive
92
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Posted - 2013.02.09 13:49:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Turns out, bear content does not attract as many people as pvp content.
Whats "bear" content?
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
320
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Posted - 2013.02.09 13:50:00 -
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Look at it this way, if the stakeholders are not bailing out a window with everything they can get including the toliets, EVE is doing well.
Now if the stake holders feel making a lighter softer highsec is what is needed CCP must comply.(The downside of going public is you have to actually make money for stockholders)
So if you want more pvp, I would suggest finding a way to incentivize people to do so on your own.
How, is up to you, but going off the lolztastic tears in the venture threads, getting more into lowsec is apparently not the solution.
(Also for those guys http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/456/963/56b.jpg) |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
963
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Posted - 2013.02.09 13:55:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Ai Shun Eve is going to die if we don't all accept the FACT that people want easy and not hard. Eve must be made easy in order to survive!!! Its only a matter of time before all of our ISK and assets go poof when the servers go down. I wonder if CCP could arrange an item and currency swap with a game like Salem? Then we can at least keep some of our wealth. Eve is Dying! Eve is Dying...
Oh, wait. This thread is just about some data, kind of looking at it and talking about Eve? But, I thought we were all going to run around and scream like preteens with their hair on fire? And jump to conclusions and shout accusations and otherwise behave as though there is something to be afraid of and scared about!
I guess you can relax a bit Ai, I sort of jumped the gun, I'm terribly sorry about that. No one said anything about the imminent closing of doors at CCP and the destruction of the servers.
I have to confess that if my hair was on fire, I would run around and scream and it is that long since I was a teen-ager that I can hardly remember it.
This is not a signature. |
Corey Fumimasa
Royal Caldari Imperial Guard
Imperium Directive
92
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Posted - 2013.02.09 13:56:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:Look at it this way, if the stakeholders are not bailing out a window with everything they can get including the toliets, EVE is doing well. Now if the stake holders feel making a lighter softer highsec is what is needed CCP must comply.(The downside of going public is you have to actually make money for stockholders) So if you want more pvp, I would suggest finding a way to incentivize people to do so on your own. How, is up to you, but going off the lolztastic tears in the venture threads, getting more into lowsec is apparently not the solution. (Also for those guys http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/456/963/56b.jpg)
I though CCP was private:
About CCP
CCP Games is a privately held company that specializes in the creation, development, and distribution of Massively Multiplayer Online Games (MMOGs). Founded in 1997, CCP is recognized internationally as a pioneer in the single-server persistent universe concept of the MMOG genre. CCP Games is headquartered in Reykjavik, Iceland with an office in Shanghai, China. For more information, visit www.ccpgames.com.
This is all I found on the website.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
898
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Posted - 2013.02.09 13:56:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:baltec1 wrote:Turns out, bear content does not attract as many people as pvp content. Whats "bear" content?
Happens when you put beer in a sodastream.
Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
287
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Posted - 2013.02.09 14:01:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:baltec1 wrote:Turns out, bear content does not attract as many people as pvp content. Whats "bear" content?
You'd say "easy" to that. I cannot speak for others. But if EVE goes the down the "easy" or "bear" path, CCP will lose my subscriptions.
Blizzard has lost mine for good because of this.
Remove insurance. |
Corey Fumimasa
Royal Caldari Imperial Guard
Imperium Directive
92
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Posted - 2013.02.09 14:04:00 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:baltec1 wrote:Turns out, bear content does not attract as many people as pvp content. Whats "bear" content? You'd say "easy" to that. I cannot speak for others. But if EVE goes the down the "easy" or "bear" path, CCP will lose my subscriptions. Blizzard has lost mine for good because of this.
I don't think "easy" when someone says bear. I think Baltec meant to spell "Beer". Its kind of funny that you interpret his meaning as "easy" regardless of what was written. I guess he doesn't actually need to say anything for everyone to know what he thinks. Thats cool.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5066
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Posted - 2013.02.09 14:06:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:
Happens when you put beer in a sodastream.
You put beer in a sodastream?!!? |
baltec1
Bat Country
5066
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Posted - 2013.02.09 14:10:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Whats "bear" content?
The stuff they were working on before last year. Retribution is what the EVE playerbase wants. |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
898
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Posted - 2013.02.09 14:17:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote:
Happens when you put beer in a sodastream.
You put beer in a sodastream?!!?
Yep, when it's flat. 
Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
Corey Fumimasa
Royal Caldari Imperial Guard
Imperium Directive
92
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Posted - 2013.02.09 14:35:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Whats "bear" content?
The stuff they were working on before last year. Retribution is what the EVE playerbase wants.
Oh, you meant bear as in care bear! Dur
Re retribution; Looks like cool ships and easy buttons to me. I remain hopeful that people want challenge and new ways to interact. However the response to the IttyV being a noob ship is perhaps telling. The way to close the power creep gap is by buffing the bottom not nerfing the top. All those big ships being usable by noobs will increase the PLEX that they buy...that will lower the Isk price for PLEX.
I hope CCP is keeping records of the why and how of these choices they make, man I would love to be a fly on the wall of the CCP conference room sometimes.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1168
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Posted - 2013.02.09 14:42:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:And next we'll see a thread about how EVE is dying. Oh wait. There's already been a few. Must be time for the one where WiS and dress up dollies will save EVE because so many Turkish men will suddenly flock to the game?
EVE is not dieing, it just lost 50,000 subscribers between March 2012 and December 2012. 
CCP Unifex: -á"lurking single players (...)-áare the majority of characters on Tranquility"
...And so now we know why CCP hasn't done anything for soloers since Apochrypha. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
287
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Posted - 2013.02.09 14:44:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:However the response to the IttyV being a noob ship is perhaps telling.
Haulers are going to be rebalanced too. There probably is not going to be a top and bottom anymore. Just ships being good at doing something.
Remove insurance. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1168
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Posted - 2013.02.09 14:45:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Turns out, bear content does not attract as many people as pvp content.
Turns out, PvP content was a reason to subscribe only to 21% of all new players in 2011.
CCP Unifex: -á"lurking single players (...)-áare the majority of characters on Tranquility"
...And so now we know why CCP hasn't done anything for soloers since Apochrypha. |
RAP ACTION HERO
147
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Posted - 2013.02.09 14:48:00 -
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tell me about your fascinating findings about the NPE, that people don't like the skills systems, so lets get rid of that.
Watch classic boxing if you like good fights. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1169
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Posted - 2013.02.09 15:02:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:tell me about your fascinating findings about the NPE, that people don't like the skills systems, so lets get rid of that.
Just want to state that this little research was started after reading an article at The Mittani. It was them who pointed me in the direction of how the number of 450k subcriptions actually included Serenity.
CCP Unifex: -á"lurking single players (...)-áare the majority of characters on Tranquility"
...And so now we know why CCP hasn't done anything for soloers since Apochrypha. |
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