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RnD Guy
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Posted - 2005.07.22 07:51:00 -
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Edited by: RnD Guy on 22/07/2005 07:53:33
Edited by: RnD Guy on 22/07/2005 07:52:58
edit: had to replace a certain word with c*rack due to filters.
I was just reading a ammo BPC i have and realized it says "Licensed Runs."
That immediatly made me think about the Windows XP licensing and *god forbid* installing it unlicensed as software piracy.
Well got me thinking. I think pirate faction agents in 0.0 should be able to "c*rack" BPC's for an additional 1-5 unlicensed copies. The c*racked BPC would then become contraband for all races and empire factions so it would have to be made in 0.0 or low sec space.
The following is an addition to the idea that is "Maybe / Maybe not"
Also, perhaps there should be a bit of risk in this as there could be in real life. For instance maybe there could be a 10% chance that the agent you are working with to ***** the BPC has a concord spy investigating him and he catchs you in the act. Maybe this could make you take a 5% sec rating hit or something like that.
Maybe require "Hacking V and Research V" to do this so its not to wide spread.
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Kontraband
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Posted - 2005.07.22 08:41:00 -
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*Alt* I completely agree this would be awesome.
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.07.22 10:24:00 -
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Would also be a good use for the new Hacking skills. Good idea!
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.07.22 10:24:00 -
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Would also be a good use for the new Hacking skills. Good idea!
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.07.22 10:32:00 -
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Heh, yeah that idea is kinda nifty. 
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Hayzo
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Posted - 2005.07.22 10:47:00 -
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kinda nifty?
its brilliant. :)
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Sonorra Baki
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Posted - 2005.07.22 11:00:00 -
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Im not really and RnD type of player, but i must admit its an ingenious idea. It fits RP perfectly. Has benfits and drawbacks, and most important, content for both the RnD community and the 0.0 community.
All in all a very nice suggestion RnD Guy!
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Jonah Anni
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Posted - 2005.07.22 11:34:00 -
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Nice.
Would that also get some more folks into 0.0 space.?
How then could it be prevented that folks would also get ganked and the BPC's stolen. ?
Same on return trip.? Or as you mention the extra runns can only be used/built in 0.0 too ?
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.07.22 16:06:00 -
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So you buy a 1-run bpc for 10 mil, hack it, and sell it for 50 mil?
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RnD Guy
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Posted - 2005.07.22 16:43:00 -
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How woudl you sell it for 50 mil? :P
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Rafein
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Posted - 2005.07.22 17:02:00 -
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I dunno, all it sounds like you are getting is a few more runs outta it.
It's an interesting idea, but if we get reverse engineering like we are supposed to, I think it would be kinda moot.
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RnD Guy
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Posted - 2005.07.22 18:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Rafein
I dunno, all it sounds like you are getting is a few more runs outta it.
It's an interesting idea, but if we get reverse engineering like we are supposed to, I think it would be kinda moot.
It would still be kewl for RP, and we dont know if reverse engineering will be come or not :]
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.07.22 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Fester Addams on 22/07/2005 20:35:06
Nice Idea but there would have to be a risk involved or people will just hack their 1 run faction BS prints and build multiples, risk of a 5% sec hit just dosent seem like much of a risk if the other end would make you a few bil.
Make it work similarly to reverse engineering, ie chance of sucess, great sucess, faliure and catastrophic faliure.
Edit... the way reverse engineering was suposed to work...
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Kar Brogan
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Posted - 2005.07.22 20:38:00 -
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I say go for it, but in addition to the 5% sec hit if discovered, your BP should be confiscated.
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Sonorra Baki
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Posted - 2005.07.22 22:06:00 -
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Just thought about it, and the risk should ofcourse be of ruining the print.
I bet i would deter some peeps from trying to ***** their 1run Machariel print, if there was a 40% chance of loosing the print.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.07.22 22:12:00 -
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The idea is very good imo,
details like the costs to improve bpcs and such can be worked out by ccp im sure ;)
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.07.22 22:19:00 -
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I like the idea IF the items produced are also contraband.
For example: You buy a 0-run BPC for an Apoc, hack the BPC to produce another Apoc (there have to be a limit on this), that new apoc would BE contraband. Take it to empire, and you start taking faction/security hits.
For a ship that never leaves 0.0, or for some folks who are alraedy hated by certain factions and Concord, this is not an issue.
Not sure exactly how hacked copies of Pirate NPC faction ships would be handled, but you'd probably end up ****ing off Concord in Empire (if you visit empire), and the pirate faction.
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Maurauder
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Posted - 2005.07.22 22:20:00 -
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Very cool idea 
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.07.22 22:24:00 -
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Agreed, excellent idea. However, as a downside, give it maybe a 50% chance to fail, eating the original BPC. That risk would truly make it risk vs reward when it came to stuff like faction BShip BPCs.
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Niaski Zalani
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Posted - 2005.07.22 22:28:00 -
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I <3 RnD Guy.
Great idea.
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Raze Zindonas
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Posted - 2005.07.22 22:42:00 -
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I agree, I think it would be a great idea. I had wondered myself who in eve manageded these Blue print licenses, maybe you could also pay off an agent to give you an extra "legal" license. I'm not sure of the contrabaned code though is writen in a way that this would easly work. I know they complained of problems when it first went up. this would also be a chance for *gasp* more skills. Also maybe a new specialized profession in the game. Would be cool to have R&D working with hackers and agent runners.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.07.22 22:45:00 -
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Only if in attempting to hack the blueprint, there exists a chance that the BP is destroyed by anti-pirate measures installed by the parent company into it, and that it lowers your Concord rating when you fail because you are breaking various patent treaties.
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Largonian Doyle
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Posted - 2005.07.22 22:55:00 -
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how no one thought of this is a mystery to me, great idea indeed.
i forsee one problem however, randomness of chances (by this i mean a chance of succes or chance of losing) as there as very few "randomnesses" in eve's industry. also another run on a major bpc (think of a named bs!!!) or a "1 run or so" would have to be impossible as itdd be a major downside to not risking your ass (unless ur thinking the item itsself dd be contraband, wich is in fact not a bad idea at all imo).
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babylonstew
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Posted - 2005.07.23 00:57:00 -
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maybe the 'pirate' copies could be nerfed in terms of mins reqs, cost a lot to copy, and then have a chance based mins requirement system?
like ME-10 or something???
just and off the wall idea
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RnD Guy
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Posted - 2005.07.23 04:45:00 -
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Also to clarify the original idea was to only be able to hack a bpc 1 time just so you guys know, forgot to type that :]
Also I've seen alot of nice additions in here like a chance of the bpc being confiscated or being ruined.
:D glad you all liked the idea. I just started production myself and when I read the "Licensed Runs Remaining" i immadiatly thought of it.
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infused
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Posted - 2005.07.23 07:22:00 -
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Edited by: infused on 23/07/2005 07:22:44
Good idea mate... Original 
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.07.23 07:36:00 -
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I LOVE the idea!
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
For example: You buy a 0-run BPC for an Apoc, hack the BPC to produce another Apoc (there have to be a limit on this), that new apoc would BE contraband. Take it to empire, and you start taking faction/security hits.
I'm not sure if that's even possible with the current way EVE is coded, but I suppose they SHOULD be able to work it in...
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RnD Guy
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Posted - 2005.07.23 19:36:00 -
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well a mod oviously read it because they moved it. but i would have rathered it not be here because tbh not many people read this
Best Idea Ever!!
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Kontraband
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Posted - 2005.07.25 03:05:00 -
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Note the extreme drop in interest since it was moved to this forum.
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RnD Guy
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Posted - 2005.07.27 21:56:00 -
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:o
Best Idea Ever!!
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